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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 08 2012 19:00 GMT
#2541
played a game, team comp was amumu anivia kennen corki w/ taric support.

press r to win, not even kidding.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
HolyToss1911
Profile Joined May 2007
354 Posts
October 08 2012 19:11 GMT
#2542
How do you guys built jungle Rengar? do you consider lamp necessary?
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
October 08 2012 19:24 GMT
#2543
On October 09 2012 04:00 ticklishmusic wrote:
played a game, team comp was amumu anivia kennen corki w/ taric support.

press r to win, not even kidding.

best solo q comp i had was varus amumu morg sona malph. 2nd best was amumu morg sona malph ezreal. see anything similar between those two? lol
BW -> League -> CSGO
CardG
Profile Joined March 2011
France131 Posts
October 08 2012 19:30 GMT
#2544
On October 09 2012 04:11 HolyToss1911 wrote:
How do you guys built jungle Rengar? do you consider lamp necessary?

Depends ... I usually go boots3 into double doran, and if i get early kills/assists by ganking or killing ennemy jungle by invading i get necklace then mercs/tabi -> phage/sheen into trinity or aegis if the killing spree doesnt continue :p cause obviously post6 you can just press R run through lane and kill ...
Trinity -> GA

Dunno, recently i just get so fed early cause OP then again, just 1300 elo...

Maybe wriggles is good, but havent seen it being necessary, used to do it before but not now cause with rengar, its just too easy to get kills...
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
October 08 2012 19:38 GMT
#2545
how would NA go about trying to fix the practice/scrim problem that scarra was talking about in his interview?
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
October 08 2012 19:45 GMT
#2546
On October 09 2012 04:11 HolyToss1911 wrote:
How do you guys built jungle Rengar? do you consider lamp necessary?


He really doesn't need the jungle sustain or clearspeed thanks to ferocity W. I usually get a naked vamp scepter early and make a gunblade.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 08 2012 19:48 GMT
#2547
On October 09 2012 04:38 Frolossus wrote:
how would NA go about trying to fix the practice/scrim problem that scarra was talking about in his interview?

by practicing and scriming instead of streaming solo queue?
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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
October 08 2012 19:57 GMT
#2548
Smash where the stream at?
Cackle™
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
October 08 2012 20:00 GMT
#2549
On October 09 2012 04:48 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 04:38 Frolossus wrote:
how would NA go about trying to fix the practice/scrim problem that scarra was talking about in his interview?

by practicing and scriming instead of streaming solo queue?

they supposed to scrim with bad teams hoping they'll get better and make it worth it at some point? or just try harder to get a full day's practice with so much less availability than KR?
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
October 08 2012 20:04 GMT
#2550
On October 09 2012 02:51 wei2coolman wrote:
If no one has gone through them yet, I highly suggest going through all the player interview Pluto did at LoL playoffs.. Very good questions, and well thought out interviews.



I dunno why cloud templar can't stop laughing, and pretty good english.


I think he's very excited.

He actually brought a nice point about jungle being less mechanically challenging.
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
Glaceau
Profile Joined February 2012
Wales333 Posts
October 08 2012 20:07 GMT
#2551
also cloudtemplar was very trolly when he played on NA so doesnt surprise me that much that hes just a trollin' guy. hes also nervous(obviously)

and yes jungle is the go to role for not being able to do mechanics, in season 1 when I duo'd with WRAWRA and achieved #1 on the ladder early I did it with a trackpad on a laptop, because jungling only requires thinking as he said.
Cmon, swing it
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 08 2012 20:07 GMT
#2552
On October 09 2012 05:00 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 04:48 Mogwai wrote:
On October 09 2012 04:38 Frolossus wrote:
how would NA go about trying to fix the practice/scrim problem that scarra was talking about in his interview?

by practicing and scriming instead of streaming solo queue?

they supposed to scrim with bad teams hoping they'll get better and make it worth it at some point? or just try harder to get a full day's practice with so much less availability than KR?

scrim with the bad teams until they are good teams. I mean, if the problem is that there are no good NA teams to scrim with, then what recourse do you have besides scrimming with those scrubs until they get good?
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-08 20:08:24
October 08 2012 20:07 GMT
#2553
On October 09 2012 04:38 Frolossus wrote:
how would NA go about trying to fix the practice/scrim problem that scarra was talking about in his interview?

Make the team ladder actually WORTH something.
Like....monthly tournaments for the top 64 teams or something à la Go4LoL with prized and have everything sponsored by Riot.

This way, you have tons of scrimming partners as people constantly race for the top spots and some actual incentive to play.
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Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-08 20:12:08
October 08 2012 20:08 GMT
#2554
On October 09 2012 05:00 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 04:48 Mogwai wrote:
On October 09 2012 04:38 Frolossus wrote:
how would NA go about trying to fix the practice/scrim problem that scarra was talking about in his interview?

by practicing and scriming instead of streaming solo queue?

they supposed to scrim with bad teams hoping they'll get better and make it worth it at some point? or just try harder to get a full day's practice with so much less availability than KR?


I think that there are more mid-tier teams in NA than EU, don't know about Korea/SEA. At least more mid-tier teams that are well known. But there are a lot of promising teams out there in NA like MME.Ferus, Orbit, Legion, Team Dynamic, etc.

I'd say all those teams would be valuable practice for many NA teams, especially considering that some of them have been sweeping the floor with the top NA teams as of late. It's really not like there are no teams to practice with in NA.

CLG.Prime even has an inhouse team to practice with (Black) and if CLG.eu stays at the mansion they'll have even more practice teams available.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-08 20:12:18
October 08 2012 20:11 GMT
#2555
On October 09 2012 05:07 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 05:00 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On October 09 2012 04:48 Mogwai wrote:
On October 09 2012 04:38 Frolossus wrote:
how would NA go about trying to fix the practice/scrim problem that scarra was talking about in his interview?

by practicing and scriming instead of streaming solo queue?

they supposed to scrim with bad teams hoping they'll get better and make it worth it at some point? or just try harder to get a full day's practice with so much less availability than KR?

scrim with the bad teams until they are good teams. I mean, if the problem is that there are no good NA teams to scrim with, then what recourse do you have besides scrimming with those scrubs until they get good?

I'm also fairly certain that teams from other regions are open to scrimming, even with the ping disadvantage. I know that for a time both WE and TPA were fairly active in playing on NA/scrimming with other regions. TPA even has a full set of smurfs with all champs/runes on the TW server (named TPA001 through TPA005) so that teams that want to scrim them don't need to level smurfs from level 1.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 08 2012 20:11 GMT
#2556
On October 09 2012 04:57 TheKefka wrote:
Smash where the stream at?

Blog post tonight explaining some shit.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
October 08 2012 20:14 GMT
#2557
I think the biggest thing is the difference in infrastructure. Korea has huge amounts of grassrooots players and teams playing in amateur leagues.

We just don't.

Makes it harder to create a team and just improve, makes it harder to find other teams at your skill level. Its liek trying to improve at BW by playing on BNet instead of iCCUP.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
October 08 2012 20:14 GMT
#2558
On October 09 2012 05:11 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 05:07 Mogwai wrote:
On October 09 2012 05:00 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On October 09 2012 04:48 Mogwai wrote:
On October 09 2012 04:38 Frolossus wrote:
how would NA go about trying to fix the practice/scrim problem that scarra was talking about in his interview?

by practicing and scriming instead of streaming solo queue?

they supposed to scrim with bad teams hoping they'll get better and make it worth it at some point? or just try harder to get a full day's practice with so much less availability than KR?

scrim with the bad teams until they are good teams. I mean, if the problem is that there are no good NA teams to scrim with, then what recourse do you have besides scrimming with those scrubs until they get good?

I'm also fairly certain that teams from other regions are open to scrimming, even with the ping disadvantage. I know that for a time both WE and TPA were fairly active in playing on NA/scrimming with other regions. TPA even has a full set of smurfs with all champs/runes on the TW server (named TPA001 through TPA005) so that teams that want to scrim them don't need to level smurfs from level 1.

As far as I remember TSM lvled smurfs on EU so they can scrim here as well.
I really don't buy the argument that NA teams have no one to practice with.
Cackle™
JokerSan
Profile Joined April 2005
United States306 Posts
October 08 2012 20:14 GMT
#2559
On October 09 2012 04:24 wussleeQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 04:00 ticklishmusic wrote:
played a game, team comp was amumu anivia kennen corki w/ taric support.

press r to win, not even kidding.

best solo q comp i had was varus amumu morg sona malph. 2nd best was amumu morg sona malph ezreal. see anything similar between those two? lol


No but seriously getting amumu morgana makes it so much easier to win. Like I have been in so many losing games where they crush us early on but they just could never beat us in team fights cause of synergistic ults. I think the best comp possible would be something like:
Amumu, Morgana, Miss Fortune, Sona, and Wukong.
LoL: Soles | forever 1600
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 08 2012 20:20 GMT
#2560
On October 09 2012 05:08 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 05:00 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On October 09 2012 04:48 Mogwai wrote:
On October 09 2012 04:38 Frolossus wrote:
how would NA go about trying to fix the practice/scrim problem that scarra was talking about in his interview?

by practicing and scriming instead of streaming solo queue?

they supposed to scrim with bad teams hoping they'll get better and make it worth it at some point? or just try harder to get a full day's practice with so much less availability than KR?


I think that there are more mid-tier teams in NA than EU, don't know about Korea/SEA. At least more mid-tier teams that are well known. But there are a lot of promising teams out there in NA like MME.Ferus, Orbit, Legion, Team Dynamic, etc.

I'd say all those teams would be valuable practice for many NA teams, especially considering that some of them have been sweeping the floor with the top NA teams as of late. It's really not like there are no teams to practice with in NA.

CLG.Prime even has an inhouse team to practice with (Black) and if CLG.eu stays at the mansion they'll have even more practice teams available.


scarra explained that they tried to get scrims with mMe and oRb but couldn't because they have people still in school or with jobs so it wasn't possible to get scrims. All of Dynamic are still in high school so I'm sure setting up scrims with them is tough too. Maybe when S3 starts and those teams get salaries they could commit more to it and they'd be more available to scrimming. CLG's gonna have to drop Black once S3 starts from what I hear and I would assume CLGeu is gonna have to go back to Europe pretty soon so scrimming them wouldn't be ideal due to higher ping. I don't think CLGeu can stay in the US while EU is doing their circuit for S3.

I mean, I'm kind of pissed that the NA teams did so poorly. Kind of feel like maybe they didn't try. But after that scarra interview I can kind of feel for him. Watching CLG and Dignitas and hearing them talk about how in Korea they can scrim for ten hours a day no problem but then they struggle to find scrims in NA must kind of suck. It sounds like at least Dignitas tried really hard to get as many scrims as possible but couldn't because the NA scene is just so lacking compared to the Asian scene.

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