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[Patch 1.0.0.148: Kha'Zix] General Discussion - Page 117

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MCMilo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States365 Posts
October 07 2012 09:44 GMT
#2321
On October 07 2012 17:41 zulu_nation8 wrote:
the more i play this game the less sympathy I have for low elo


I'm low elo and i still lub u bly <3
haroz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Australia707 Posts
October 07 2012 10:56 GMT
#2322
Sigh. So fucking tough to break out of low ELO. Losses are so demoralizing when there are douchebags and trolls everywhere.
LOST MY PASSION
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
October 07 2012 12:10 GMT
#2323
On October 07 2012 19:56 haroz wrote:
Sigh. So fucking tough to break out of low ELO. Losses are so demoralizing when there are douchebags and trolls everywhere.

So how is it different from mid Elo and (from what i've seen on pro streams) high Elo?
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 07 2012 12:17 GMT
#2324
On October 07 2012 21:10 Kaniol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2012 19:56 haroz wrote:
Sigh. So fucking tough to break out of low ELO. Losses are so demoralizing when there are douchebags and trolls everywhere.

So how is it different from mid Elo and (from what i've seen on pro streams) high Elo?

At low elo you're better than the rest doh. #EloHell etc.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-07 12:47:06
October 07 2012 12:46 GMT
#2325
Noob question here, if you see the enemy carry with LW, and you already have nearly 300 armor and thinking about an item to finish your build, should you opt for HP or more armor (even though the carry has LW)?

Asking because my last game I was Skarner with Mercs, Shurelya's, Randuin's, Aegis, and Frozen Heart, and I didn't get to finish my last item, but I was having trouble deciding between GA and something else (the enemy carry was a full build Ezreal).

Screenshot of game: http://i.imgur.com/JoQnb.jpg
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
October 07 2012 12:53 GMT
#2326
On October 07 2012 21:46 Ferrose wrote:
Noob question here, if you see the enemy carry with LW, and you already have nearly 300 armor and thinking about an item to finish your build, should you opt for HP or more armor (even though the carry has LW)?

Asking because my last game I was Skarner with Mercs, Shurelya's, Randuin's, Aegis, and Frozen Heart, and I didn't get to finish my last item, but I was having trouble deciding between GA and something else (the enemy carry was a full build Ezreal).

Screenshot of game: http://i.imgur.com/JoQnb.jpg

I think that if you are this late into the game the match depends waay too much on both sides' AD carries for your build to matter that much
Honestly i wouldn't be looking at main stats but at the side effects (maybe a thornmail so he doesn't lifesteal off you).
I don't play this game too much anymore so if someone active gives you better idea listen to him :x
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 07 2012 13:09 GMT
#2327
On October 07 2012 21:46 Ferrose wrote:
Noob question here, if you see the enemy carry with LW, and you already have nearly 300 armor and thinking about an item to finish your build, should you opt for HP or more armor (even though the carry has LW)?

Asking because my last game I was Skarner with Mercs, Shurelya's, Randuin's, Aegis, and Frozen Heart, and I didn't get to finish my last item, but I was having trouble deciding between GA and something else (the enemy carry was a full build Ezreal).

Screenshot of game: http://i.imgur.com/JoQnb.jpg

You def want some HP. Even if the ad carry didn't have a LW and you had 300 armour, if you have 300 armour HP is really nice. That or a damage item.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-07 13:11:27
October 07 2012 13:10 GMT
#2328
On October 07 2012 21:46 Ferrose wrote:
Noob question here, if you see the enemy carry with LW, and you already have nearly 300 armor and thinking about an item to finish your build, should you opt for HP or more armor (even though the carry has LW)?

Asking because my last game I was Skarner with Mercs, Shurelya's, Randuin's, Aegis, and Frozen Heart, and I didn't get to finish my last item, but I was having trouble deciding between GA and something else (the enemy carry was a full build Ezreal).

Screenshot of game: http://i.imgur.com/JoQnb.jpg


Honestly at that point you have a full build ezreal...nothing you build is going to matter significantly in terms of him not blowing you to pieces in three seconds and if you stack too much armor that lux was going to blow your face off anyway. At 47 minutes into the game, if all your AD has is an ie/pd/lw against an ezreal with almost three times the farm, an ie/triforce/pd/bt/lw, the game is basically over unless the ezreal is retarded.

Let's say you even built a thornmail for assurance...it honestly wouldn't have mattered. Based on your team, Ezreal would have just blown up everyone else on your team in ten seconds and then you'd be 1v5'ing their team because you're the only real tanky member on your team. You just won't be doing anything to him except maybe grabbing him into your team with ulti, which an ezreal would probably be good at dodging if both flash and e are up.

Though I agree with poster above. Extra health always good, though I'm not sure where that would come from.
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phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
October 07 2012 13:13 GMT
#2329
When you're talking super late game even with the best defensive items an ADC can murder you really fast. But the items you have go to a long way to stalling them, the most important being FH and Omen (which you had) since they help your entire team take less damage from the ADC, though Blitz also had FH. After that in terms of personal survivability, yes, HP becomes very important after their last whisper is done. It won't save you for long vs a six item Trist/Kog/Vayne but hopefully that will buy the extra 1-2 seconds your team needs pull out a good team fight where their team dies faster than yours.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
October 07 2012 13:21 GMT
#2330
should just go for a wits end or trinity or ga or something at that point
Kouda
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2205 Posts
October 07 2012 13:26 GMT
#2331
Any underrated top laners that you guys recommend to pick up right now? I want to be a top-lane hipster. I might go back to practicing Kayle.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 07 2012 13:28 GMT
#2332
You could, I heard she does well against Jayce for when he's picked up.
There's always Singed, too.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-07 13:30:01
October 07 2012 13:28 GMT
#2333
I just picked up Yorick and Rumble on top of Jayce (who I already own) because I'm tired of having to try to win top lane. My give a fuck meter for other people's enjoyment is pretty low right now.

Edit: Singed is actually a decent pick against Jayce. If he doesn't shove you completely out of lane (which you can actually trade ok against him early on with poison), you just go Singed mode and be unkillable forever. Useful in solo queue.
It's your boy Guzma!
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-07 13:37:16
October 07 2012 13:36 GMT
#2334
Jayce shits on Singed incredibly hard from level 2 until when you get Catalyst. If the Jayce knows the matchup Singed is not a good pick IMO.

If you can get a jungle gank or somehow get ahead early though, yeah Jayce loses control of the lane pretty fast.
wat
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 07 2012 13:39 GMT
#2335
On October 07 2012 22:36 Curu wrote:
Jayce shits on Singed incredibly hard from level 2 until when you get Catalyst. If the Jayce knows the matchup Singed is not a good pick IMO.

From what I saw, it was pretty even. Not in Singed's favor, but he doesn't get trashed like 90% of other top laners. Full defense Singed, every time Jayce jumped on him, he would Fling the same time Jayce did Hammer E, then kite and poison.

In my mind, if Jayce can get his hammer combo off without incurring Fling or getting in poison, he'll win the lane hard, but Singed will eventually get tanky enough where just Cannon autos won't be enough to shove him out of lane. Dependent on a couple things, I guess.
It's your boy Guzma!
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
October 07 2012 13:56 GMT
#2336
On October 07 2012 22:26 Kouda wrote:
Any underrated top laners that you guys recommend to pick up right now? I want to be a top-lane hipster. I might go back to practicing Kayle.

If you're not playing jayce you're pretty much a hipster already.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
haroz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Australia707 Posts
October 07 2012 14:50 GMT
#2337
On October 07 2012 21:17 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2012 21:10 Kaniol wrote:
On October 07 2012 19:56 haroz wrote:
Sigh. So fucking tough to break out of low ELO. Losses are so demoralizing when there are douchebags and trolls everywhere.

So how is it different from mid Elo and (from what i've seen on pro streams) high Elo?

At low elo you're better than the rest doh. #EloHell etc.


I'm glad I posted here, TLers can be so encouraging.
LOST MY PASSION
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 07 2012 15:06 GMT
#2338
On October 07 2012 23:50 haroz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2012 21:17 JackDino wrote:
On October 07 2012 21:10 Kaniol wrote:
On October 07 2012 19:56 haroz wrote:
Sigh. So fucking tough to break out of low ELO. Losses are so demoralizing when there are douchebags and trolls everywhere.

So how is it different from mid Elo and (from what i've seen on pro streams) high Elo?

At low elo you're better than the rest doh. #EloHell etc.


I'm glad I posted here, TLers can be so encouraging.


Well the only "real" Elo hell is when your true skill is like 50-100 Elo above where you actually are, in that you can do well in most games but not well enough to dominate carry.

If you're not crushing your lane and then roaming and crushing every other lane in most of your games, chances are you are very close to the Elo in which you actually belong.

On October 07 2012 22:39 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2012 22:36 Curu wrote:
Jayce shits on Singed incredibly hard from level 2 until when you get Catalyst. If the Jayce knows the matchup Singed is not a good pick IMO.

From what I saw, it was pretty even. Not in Singed's favor, but he doesn't get trashed like 90% of other top laners. Full defense Singed, every time Jayce jumped on him, he would Fling the same time Jayce did Hammer E, then kite and poison.

In my mind, if Jayce can get his hammer combo off without incurring Fling or getting in poison, he'll win the lane hard, but Singed will eventually get tanky enough where just Cannon autos won't be enough to shove him out of lane. Dependent on a couple things, I guess.


Jayce's Q -> hit -> E combo does a lot more than Singed's flip, not to mention you can't really kite Jayce into running around your poison trail because he can just go ranged after the combo and continue the beatdown.

I'm just going off my anecdotal evidence from the Jayce side though, maybe the people I went against didn't know how to play the matchup.
wat
Leonite7
Profile Joined July 2011
Ireland921 Posts
October 07 2012 15:12 GMT
#2339
So. Since he has been out for a good while, what are your opinions on Kha'zix? I have barely ever seen him.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
October 07 2012 15:20 GMT
#2340
On October 08 2012 00:12 Leonite7 wrote:
So. Since he has been out for a good while, what are your opinions on Kha'zix? I have barely ever seen him.


incredibly strong
master him before he gets nerfed
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
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