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On June 28 2012 08:20 MooMooMugi wrote: Someone said in this thread Taric ultimate that powers up a Ashe Arrow lands you a assit? No point of damage there thats a buff spell though. if you apply a shield/heal/buff to someone can they get a kill you get an assist.
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Riven does OK vs him if you know what you're doing. You both have no resources, except he uses his health. Shield harass and get a lead before he gets Revolver/WotA and you're ok.
About Auras, do active auras give it? Locket and Shurelya's are actives that you need to be close enough to give, makes sense that they should give assists.
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On June 28 2012 08:20 MooMooMugi wrote: Someone said in this thread Taric ultimate that powers up a Ashe Arrow lands you a assit? No point of damage there So does raka ult but those are actives
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On June 28 2012 08:17 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 08:12 Sven Stryker wrote: What is a good counterpick to top lane Vlad these days? Kennen Perfect. That's what I guessed, and I zoned him and was up 30 CS and a kill on him.
...until the 4 man queue I ended up with decided to quickly surrender right at 20 minutes. (Probably belongs in the QQ thread now.)
I'll keep Riven, Jax, and Irelia in mind, but I don't own them yet.
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LOL - 3 queue dodges in a row because I wanted to jungle with Rammus and people are like "wtf rammus so bad omg troll".
Can someone explain? Just because you don't see him on streams doesn't mean he's bad, right?
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ya shurely does ive tried
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I don't recall Taric's but true about Soraka. So much for consistency...
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Yes, taric's ult does grant an assist even if it doesn't do damage likewise, janna's shield will grant an assist if it blocks damage delivered by the dying target before it dies (i.e. your ashe is killing caitlyn, janna shields ashe while ashe's ignite ticks down on caitlyn, ashe does no more physical damage to caitlyn, caitlyn shoots ashe before she dies, the damage is blocked by janna's shield, janna gets assist)
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Re: assists
I think you get assists if you do any damage, hit the target with any ability, or cast any ability on someone who does damage.
Edit: assuming the target dies and you do this within the time allowed to get credit, of course.
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On June 28 2012 08:40 Sven Stryker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 08:17 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 28 2012 08:12 Sven Stryker wrote: What is a good counterpick to top lane Vlad these days? Kennen Perfect. That's what I guessed, and I zoned him and was up 30 CS and a kill on him. ...until the 4 man queue I ended up with decided to quickly surrender right at 20 minutes. (Probably belongs in the QQ thread now.) I'll keep Riven, Jax, and Irelia in mind, but I don't own them yet.
I said "Kennen" somewhat jokingly (in reference to TheYango). But if you do play Top a lot, it's probably pretty important for you to learn Vlad vs Kennen, both sides. The matchup is highly dependent on the players.
On June 28 2012 08:40 little fancy wrote: LOL - 3 queue dodges in a row because I wanted to jungle with Rammus and people are like "wtf rammus so bad omg troll".
Can someone explain? Just because you don't see him on streams doesn't mean he's bad, right?
Ramoose is just underplayed atm. He's still decent in normals.
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On June 28 2012 08:47 NeoIllusions wrote: I said "Kennen" somewhat jokingly (in reference to TheYango). But if you do play Top a lot, it's probably pretty important for you to learn Vlad vs Kennen, both sides. The matchup is highly dependent on the players.
Oh. Well, it worked anyway. Does TheYango have a specific post on it? I like reading his posts.
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On June 28 2012 08:40 little fancy wrote: LOL - 3 queue dodges in a row because I wanted to jungle with Rammus and people are like "wtf rammus so bad omg troll".
Can someone explain? Just because you don't see him on streams doesn't mean he's bad, right? Rammus was fine after his first nerf. Then they nerfed him twice more. He's bad just like skarner is now. If you want tanky initiate that can dive and catch people you might as well play cow.
It's hard to find a champion that's underplayed but good, but it's easy to find a good champion who got nerfed to oblivion.
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On June 28 2012 08:50 Sven Stryker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 08:47 NeoIllusions wrote: I said "Kennen" somewhat jokingly (in reference to TheYango). But if you do play Top a lot, it's probably pretty important for you to learn Vlad vs Kennen, both sides. The matchup is highly dependent on the players.
Oh. Well, it worked anyway. Does TheYango have a specific post on it? I like reading his posts. It's because I've hyped the shit out of Stanley0506 as a top lane player, and his approach to Vlad and Kennen as summarized by Toyz in an interview is "pick Vlad against Kennen, pick Kennen against Vlad".
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On June 28 2012 08:40 Sven Stryker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 08:17 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 28 2012 08:12 Sven Stryker wrote: What is a good counterpick to top lane Vlad these days? Kennen Perfect. That's what I guessed, and I zoned him and was up 30 CS and a kill on him. ...until the 4 man queue I ended up with decided to quickly surrender right at 20 minutes. (Probably belongs in the QQ thread now.) I'll keep Riven, Jax, and Irelia in mind, but I don't own them yet.
Kennen in no way counters vlad, it's the complete opposite infact. Ken ults and vlad pools. Vlad has better lifesteal and doesn't rely on skillshot, point and click.
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Rammus isn't bad.
Just don't pick him early. You want to be against a team that can't counterjungle with impunity.
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On June 28 2012 08:57 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 08:40 Sven Stryker wrote:On June 28 2012 08:17 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 28 2012 08:12 Sven Stryker wrote: What is a good counterpick to top lane Vlad these days? Kennen Perfect. That's what I guessed, and I zoned him and was up 30 CS and a kill on him. ...until the 4 man queue I ended up with decided to quickly surrender right at 20 minutes. (Probably belongs in the QQ thread now.) I'll keep Riven, Jax, and Irelia in mind, but I don't own them yet. Kennen in no way counters vlad, it's the complete opposite infact. Ken ults and vlad pools. Vlad has better lifesteal and doesn't rely on skillshot, point and click.
Pretty much.
As vlad I hate vsing wukong mainly and then a good lee. I hardly ever have problems with ken.
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On June 28 2012 08:45 Sven Stryker wrote: Re: assists
I think you get assists if you do any damage, hit the target with any ability, or cast any ability on someone who does damage.
Edit: assuming the target dies and you do this within the time allowed to get credit, of course.
Works with Anivia wall too but only if you actually hit the target with it (if it gets in their way, it doesn't count)
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On June 28 2012 08:57 Zooper31 wrote: Kennen in no way counters vlad, it's the complete opposite infact. Ken ults and vlad pools. Vlad has better lifesteal and doesn't rely on skillshot, point and click. It's as Neo said, the matchup is heavily skill dependent for both sides, and not really lopsided either way. The outcome falls primarily on the skill and experience of the two players rather than on the advantages of one champ over the other.
The comment I highlighted essentially serves to express Stanley's confidence in winning a "fair" matchup against anyone.
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Rammus is still good... so is Skarner, just look at Skarnold Trump he hit 2.2k with him alone
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Any other Aussies out there totally unable to access Own3d at the moment? Twitch is at its usual crappy Aussie self but Own3d is straight up refusing to load. Been like that the last couple of days and I didn't care until Xpecial and OddOne appeared on State of the Game.
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