EPTorianna, Ashe, Sona, Galio, Fiddle
Brand Noc Cho Soraka Trist
CLG bringing the ae pain.
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
orianna, Ashe, Sona, Galio, Fiddle Brand Noc Cho Soraka Trist CLG bringing the ae pain. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On August 14 2011 08:16 LaNague wrote: CLG vs TSM right now: orianna, Ashe, Sona, Galio, Fiddle Brand Noc Cho Soraka Trist CLG bringing the ae pain. What's with the troll name spellings. Excuse my ignorance, just got back from camping. What tourney is this for? | ||
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
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sRapers_ValkS
United States644 Posts
On August 14 2011 08:26 HazMat wrote: What's with the troll name spellings. Excuse my ignorance, just got back from camping. What tourney is this for? Xpecial Soraka starting 5x ward 2x mana pot. do people do that? I thought it was ESL, hmm | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On August 14 2011 08:33 TieN.nS) wrote: IEM China qualis. Have they even played IEM gamescom yet O.o | ||
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hasuprotoss
United States4612 Posts
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
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UniversalSnip
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On August 14 2011 05:10 TheYango wrote: Did you intentionally cut out the 2nd paragraph of my reply comparing Philo->Shurelya's and Wriggle's? It's not a clear-cut decision where one is right 100% of the time. Both give sustain and gold value generation. One gives armor, AD, and the Razors proc, while the other gives HP, CDR, and the Shurelya's active. In some cases, you might even want both. I cut it out cuz I didn't really care about it, has nothing to do with what I said. If you want sustain for some reason just buy a philo and you're done, if you don't get something else. there's no way you want 1600 gold worth of sustain jungling phoenix, huge waste of money You can't say "he does perfectly well without it" in a vacuum, because the speed required of a jungler's clear is extremely dependent on his matchup vs the other jungler (e.g. how fast the enemy is at clearing and how aggressive their counterjungling is), what role he expects to play with regard to his laners (e.g. if he has losing lanes, he will need to play more gank-heavy, whereas control/counterjungle let him dull the threat of enemy jungle ganks if his lanes are winning), and his overall playstyle. Wriggle's has pretty clear benefits for buff control, dragon control, and counterjungling when the game in question calls for it--things that Shurelya's doesn't cover in any way. The tradeoff is all the more relevant because of how flexible Udyr is in the jungle--he can pretty much tailor his jungle play to whatever he needs to accomplish for his team, and whatever the player is comfortable with. lol, what? press R all the creeps die press W occasionally if you wanna stay full health that is all you need to know, for the rest you can just run around beating shit up I have no idea why you are talking about shurelya's compared to wriggles and shit, it's like comparing shurleya's to wriggles on mumu. wtf would we be doing in that conversation. Very few junglers actually NEED Wriggle's, but it's still a common buy on almost any autoattack-based jungler simply because the early game control benefits are so good. Trundle, Warwick, Lee Sin, Olaf, etc. have absolutely no problems clearing without Wriggle's, but they still do so an overwhelmingly large percentage of the time. yeah they do have a problem clearing without razors, I'm surprised you didn't notice it takes like a week without it. olaf is the only one I would even consider not building wriggles on because he has a really strong clear spell and even then it would slow you down sooooo much when you don't have blue. makes me wonder what your secret razorless lee sin jungle build is, item is not even that good on him but you need it to jungle | ||
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Craton
United States17254 Posts
On August 14 2011 08:36 sRapers_ValkS wrote: Xpecial Soraka starting 5x ward 2x mana pot. do people do that? I thought it was ESL, hmm Tourny supports do some crazy ward-heavy early games, but that's more than usual even for that. | ||
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HPoirot
United States1303 Posts
 Some redemption at bot, but his first two ults were depressing. On August 14 2011 08:43 hasuprotoss wrote: How does this work? Top 2 teams go to China? Just winner, apparently. Qualifying Teams – Eight: 2 European, 1 American, 2 Korean, 2 Chinese, 1 Southeast Asian | ||
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hasuprotoss
United States4612 Posts
Not quite sure what they see in it, it's pretty good sustain but I'd personally rather have Philo. Maybe I'm just fknoob tho. | ||
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Craton
United States17254 Posts
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Craton
United States17254 Posts
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
On August 14 2011 08:44 UniversalSnip wrote: yeah they do have a problem clearing without razors, I'm surprised you didn't notice it takes like a week without it. olaf is the only one I would even consider not building wriggles on because he has a really strong clear spell and even then it would slow you down sooooo much when you don't have blue. makes me wonder what your secret razorless lee sin jungle build is, item is not even that good on him but you need it to jungle SECRET RAZORLESS LEE SIN JUNGLE BUILD + Show Spoiler + SCENE: A dark room, with a desk and desklamp at its center. RUGFEEDER: My young padawan, today I shall teach you the secret to jungling without Wriggle's Lantern with Lee Sin. USNIP: Yes, my lord? RUGFEEDER: You press Q. USNIP: Yes? RUGFEEDER: And click on some random creep. USNIP: And? RUGFEEDER: And that is it. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 14 2011 08:56 Tooplark wrote: SECRET RAZORLESS LEE SIN JUNGLE BUILD + Show Spoiler + SCENE: A dark room, with a desk and desklamp at its center. RUGFEEDER: My young padawan, today I shall teach you the secret to jungling without Wriggle's Lantern with Lee Sin. USNIP: Yes, my lord? RUGFEEDER: You press Q. USNIP: Yes? RUGFEEDER: And click on some random creep. USNIP: And? RUGFEEDER: And that is it. No actually that's a Yi jungle guide that you copied from someone, don't try to fool us. | ||
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arthur
United Kingdom488 Posts
On August 14 2011 08:56 Tooplark wrote: SECRET RAZORLESS LEE SIN JUNGLE BUILD + Show Spoiler + SCENE: A dark room, with a desk and desklamp at its center. RUGFEEDER: My young padawan, today I shall teach you the secret to jungling without Wriggle's Lantern with Lee Sin. USNIP: Yes, my lord? RUGFEEDER: You press Q. USNIP: Yes? RUGFEEDER: And click on some random creep. USNIP: And? RUGFEEDER: And that is it. With WW 9 times out of ten i prefer to just buy razer and not wriggles, then late/midgame i can up it to bloodrazer. Only time i get wriggles on WW is when i think we cant win lategame and we really need early game advantage..... | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
On August 14 2011 08:59 Shikyo wrote: No actually that's a Yi jungle guide that you copied from someone, don't try to fool us. oh no i am discover IT IS TOO BAD THAT THIS WORKS JUST FINE B[ Wriggle's is a great item in Lee Sin and you do not need it to jungle one bit. The active ward is fantastic (1-click-w for instant escape) and the stats are good, and the proc makes your invasion much safer. HOWEVER, he can jungle super fast with just one or two points in W, and stay in jungle indefinitely at 90-100% health after his first clear. SO. | ||
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