EPTthis was kind of strange for japanese to do. definitely an anomaly.
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United States5725 Posts
this was kind of strange for japanese to do. definitely an anomaly. | ||
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koreasilver
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I'm not saying that Koreans or Japanese are better than one another when it comes to the historical conflict, but really? Obviously there are good and bad people in any kind of group. I've gotten tired of the whole Korea/Japan thing as well and I always avoid talking about it with other people, particularly other Koreans because I can, for the most part, predict what is going to be said. However, when some outsider that has no idea about the history between the two nations just comes in and spews diarrhea, I will respond to it. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66365 Posts
It's all in the past now, people (from all races) should just respect each other now and live happily  | ||
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koreasilver
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Manifesto7
Osaka27178 Posts
On July 06 2009 12:49 koreasilver wrote: If a fellow doesn't realize his own biased posture, then yeah, not too far off. I'm not saying that Koreans or Japanese are better than one another when it comes to the historical conflict, but really? Obviously there are good and bad people in any kind of group. I've gotten tired of the whole Korea/Japan thing as well and I always avoid talking about it with other people, particularly other Koreans because I can, for the most part, predict what is going to be said. However, when some outsider that has no idea about the history between the two nations just comes in and spews diarrhea, I will respond to it. Well respond civilly please. Saying "another clueless North American" puts you in the same category as the guy you insulted. From my own perspective in Japan, there does not exist this culture of victimhood that Korea and China has adopted. This victimhood manifests itself in young people who think it is cool to hate Japanese, and also in foreign policy, where Japan is paralyzed in East Asia because anything it tries is beat down with the WW II club. Obviously Japan was the aggressor, but even with the bomb there is just a sense of tragedy. When I discuss history with Japanese people (and I frequently do in my conversation classes) WWII is a pretty big embarrassment. However, there is frustration in the fact that other countries constantly throw up the WWII roadblock and prevent relations from moving forward. The big question is why people hate Japanese people when they were treated almost as badly as mainland Asians in many situations. In my discussions people feel the hate should be directed towards a now defunct system. Young people in Japan don't care about it at all. National pride is reserved for sports, and that is where it stops. Manga that you linked to is reviled here, and that particular one made the front page. There was another one that depicted Africans as huge gorillas and all white guys as Hitler. Everyone knows it is a joke. | ||
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
On July 06 2009 12:54 konadora wrote: I don't get all the Korea-Japan-China hate It's all in the past now, people (from all races) should just respect each other now and live happily It will never happen lol. It's just a huge circle of hate: China + Korea hating Japan, China + Korea + Japan hating south east Asians, America hating Canada + Mexico, and of course every country hating America. | ||
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koreasilver
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v1rtu0so
United States140 Posts
i have faith in the korean people that they will let it go and will not have to spew out the anti-japan propaganda unfortunately that is not the case japan needs to make the first step to resolve this wasteful conflict | ||
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MK
United States496 Posts
Japan has never apologized and are even telling that they were kinda right, that the war criminals were great heroes, that Korean should thank them because it was better when Japan colonized them than when it was China, that Nankin never happened and blablabla. I live In Japan and here, god, in the History class, the WW2 looks like Japan has never been the bad guys, they were just serving the God or whatever the shit they tell. I mean, com'on, many friends of mine from Keio University don't even know what happened to the Chinese and the Korean during the WW2. | ||
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koreasilver
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konadora
Singapore66365 Posts
I think the people are pretty cool about everything, but it's the government that just makes it bad | ||
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v1rtu0so
United States140 Posts
no mean task indeed, but if some of the germans could see through the compelling propaganda of the nazis (and I'm talking complete and utter domination of the media and education by the nazis without access to internet etc) back in 1930s and 40s, so can the japanese. so yes, the bigger problem is in in the government, but i do not think the populace is guiltless | ||
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NonFactor
Sweden698 Posts
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
On July 06 2009 13:02 koreasilver wrote: Since when did we hate the Southern Asians? It's just that there is the whole superiority issue when it comes to Asians. I have a lot of Korean, Chinese, and Japanese friends (some American born and some aren't) and they sometimes tell me that their race would never be caught dead dating or marrying a southern Asian like Vietnamese, Cambodian, etc since they might get shun by their race. And there is the issue with ASL, not age/sex/location, but Asian Social Ladder and how some Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese use the term "jungle monkey" for southern Asians. Well, I'll just stop off at that since it's irrelevant to the thread, but I'm not saying EVERY Asian is like that. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On July 06 2009 13:23 zoLo wrote: It's just that there is the whole superiority issue when it comes to Asians. I have a lot of Korean, Chinese, and Japanese friends (some American born and some aren't) and they sometimes tell me that their race would never be caught dead dating or marrying a southern Asian like Vietnamese, Cambodian, etc since they might get shun by their race. And there is the issue with ASL, not age/sex/location, but Asian Social Ladder and how some Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese use the term "jungle monkey" for southern Asians. Well, I'll just stop off at that since it's irrelevant to the thread, but I'm not saying EVERY Asian is like that. Rofl, that's ridiculous. It's amazing how some people don't learn from the plights that they themselves or their predecessors have had to go through. | ||
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v1rtu0so
United States140 Posts
it is true that these nationals from these countries tend to poorer and, in a sense, marrying one of these will more likely to be less economically favorable...again there are always exceptions commendable? certainly not but at least it is understandable | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27178 Posts
On July 06 2009 13:04 MK wrote: Problem is in the West we can't really understand that : Germany apologize quite every year about what they did during the war. Japan has never apologized and are even telling that they were kinda right, that the war criminals were great heroes, that Korean should thank them because it was better when Japan colonized them than when it was China, that Nankin never happened and blablabla. I live In Japan and here, god, in the History class, the WW2 looks like Japan has never been the bad guys, they were just serving the God or whatever the shit they tell. I mean, com'on, many friends of mine from Keio University don't even know what happened to the Chinese and the Korean during the WW2. On July 06 2009 13:09 koreasilver wrote: That's why we can't just hate the Japanese people for what they believe because they are just simply believing what was taught to them. The problem lies in the Japanese government, not the Japanese people. This is something that a lot of Koreans I talk to fail to realize. How can you expect the Japanese people to know better when their government is giving the schools textbooks full of lies. Based upon these two statements I just visited with Okuno-sensei, who is a history teacher at my school. I asked to see the textbooks that the students use, and we talked about the perspective other Asian countries have about Japanese education. Here are some of the interesting points. 1) First of all, Japanese students do learn about WWII, and the actions of their country in China and Korea. The books talk about conquest, and they talk about specific tragedies such as the Rape of Nanking. In recent years China and Korea has been upset with Japanese textbooks, but more about word selection than anything else. Conservative forces in education want to use words such as "expansion" rather than "conquest" etc. Before 1985 the textbooks were lacking much of this information. 2) Second of all, for many countries WWII is lmajor historical event. For countries such as America, UK, and Canada, it is seen as a black and white good vs evil victory. Asia is a much more complex scenario. In Japan, WWII is given the same weight as most other events. It does not occupy the same prominence that it might in other countries educational system. When your country has 3000 years of history, WWII is at the back of the book. This creates a problem. 3) Combined with point 2, the education system in Japan does not foster a discussion about history. History is a series of facts and events, and one must memorize these facts to pass a test. That is what history is (and so is every other subject here). There is no emotion or discussion in history, even when it comes to atrocities committed against Japanese people. Because of this, I would venture to the poster who talked about his Keio friends, probably they did learn about it, just like they learned and forgot algebra in high school too. The only "learning" they have really done is test preparation. This is what creates a non-English speaking population despite 6 years of formal teaching as well. Would the situation be different had Japan not been cast as the bad guys? I think the educational system would be the same, but the war might play a bigger part in culture than it does now. While Hollywood still pumps out WWII movies, Japan is really unable to explore history through culture because of the extremely negative reputation it has from it. Japanese people are not deaf to the problem though. Okuno-sensei realizes these issues and we discussed them at length. Hope this cast a little light on the system over here, and it may be better than the anecdotal "my friend hates Japs" or "my friend doesnt know history lol". | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On July 06 2009 12:54 konadora wrote: I don't get all the Korea-Japan-China hate It's all in the past now, people (from all races) should just respect each other now and live happily I'm down with that. | ||
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OmgIRok
Taiwan2699 Posts
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
I fucking hate you all. You guys are just as bad as Obama Supporters just because he is Black. DO SOME FUCKING HOMEWORK BEFORE SPEWING SHIT | ||
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