|
On June 06 2009 16:20 Creationism wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2009 14:50 Robinsa wrote:
- China cannot work as a democracy, the population is far too segemented and popularized from the north to the south and west to be able to mutally agree on an elected leader. Now this may be a hard concept to understand for anyone who has no travelled around to the many different regions of China where "foreigner" pretty much means you weren't born in the local village.
Who said it can't work as a democracy? Is it because people are different? Isnt the whole point of democracy bringing different people together? The EU is 20+ countries working together in a democracy. The only reason I see why China wouldnt work as a democracy right now is because of lack of respect for it's own people.
- China will never be a democracy and does not want to be a democracy PERIOD. People like to say that the population has been brain washed and surpressed behind an iron curtain or something or that is at least how the western media like to portray it.
The people benefiting from the current rule would never want it to be a democracy. The people who arn't in the majority or being neglected rights for other reasons want democracy, if they know of it as an alternative. I wouldn't have botherd writing in this thread if it wasnt for my chinese neighbours. Wonderful people in every aspect but they lack any sort of ciritical thinking when it comes to politics. Even though I love China, I'd love for the Chinese people to be educated about democracy in a proper way and get several sources of information to learn critical thinking. You imply that China is simply uneducated in the field of democracy, and if they simply understand it, they would want it. That is the utmost ignorance in culture, demographics, and conditions in the country. First of all, there is and has been a cultural difference between the West and East, especially China. Chinese society is bound by responsibility and the reliability of morals, while something like "Western democracy" is bound by promotion of self-interest and law. The important idea is that not only does this culture contrast with democracy, but also communism (why cultural revolution happened). Demographics. You want to extend right of the vote to 1.6 billion people. Give something practical or stfu. Conditions. Democracy cannot be supported by a country that needs infrastructural improvement such as housing conditions, railroads, and industrial development in many areas. A lot of African countries are democracies, and they work great right? Perhaps in the future democratic POLICIES and laxer rule may happen when the wealth that is held by the top trickles down, but for the next 40-50 years there is no/limited extension of democracy in China. People are not uneducated about democracy; they only seem non-chalant about it simply because most normal people don't have a need to write anti-government writing or talk shit about a government official. If they are going to talk shit, it would be in private and over dinner. So pragmatically, the limit of their daily freedom does not differ from that in the United States. Except for the few exiles, Chinese people do not immigrate to other countries because they want to speak their mind, but rather because there are better economic opportunities abroad. Don't assume that because you enjoy political discussions and pretending that you have a know-how and influence in a massive government that another culture develop on literature radically different from that you're used to think the same way.
Quoted so more people can read this great post.
You'll have as much luck trying to forcibly push democracy onto China than you would trying to push Islam onto Israel.
Believe it or not most of the people who want to push democracy onto China ain't even Chinese and most Chinese care more about the criticism of being a communist state than actually being a communist itself.
But thanks for the thoughts anyway.
|
|
|
|
|
"...the act of killing these people is the vary act against having a perspective that is anything but the states is not allowed."
?????
This is where I gave up.
Anyone else?
|
So if China genuinely doesn't want democracy, then why does information have to be restricted? If China doesn't want democracy then why couldn't you have free speech and publish whatever you want? Since you don't really want anything but communism anyway? Oh wait...
|
I'm laughing at the people making china out to be some kind of police state with big brother wong watching over you all the time.
And as if the US government doesn't restrict information as well hahahaha
|
On June 08 2009 10:37 Hittegods wrote:
So if China genuinely doesn't want democracy, then why does information have to be restricted? If China doesn't want democracy then why couldn't you have free speech and publish whatever you want? Since you don't really want anything but communism anyway? Oh wait...
Free speech? fuck free speech, we got no free speech in the united states. I can't even say Creationism is fucking BS to my students, where's the free speech now, and I'm in the United Fucking States. I got in the trouble for telling a student he can't use the word nigger because it is reserved for people who experienced extreme racism done against them, and when they use it, it signifies comradity of the abused.
Human right? WTF is human right if they can be taken away? WWII Japanese concentration camp? where's our Human right now? Every human is created equal? says who? the fucking slave owners trying to be free from the British controls, so they can continue to own their niggers?
Why do China WANT a hypocritical system name democracy? China at least aren't hypocrites in their policy yet.
|
On June 08 2009 11:07 rei wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2009 10:37 Hittegods wrote:
So if China genuinely doesn't want democracy, then why does information have to be restricted? If China doesn't want democracy then why couldn't you have free speech and publish whatever you want? Since you don't really want anything but communism anyway? Oh wait... Free speech? fuck free speech, we got no free speech in the united states. I can't even say Creationism is fucking BS to my students, where's the free speech now, and I'm in the United Fucking States. I got in the trouble for telling a student he can't use the word nigger because it is reserved for people who experienced extreme racism done against them, and when they use it, it signifies comradity of the abused. Human right? WTF is human right if they can be taken away? WWII Japanese concentration camp? where's our Human right now? Every human is created equal? says who? the fucking slave owners trying to be free from the British controls, so they can continue to own their niggers? Why do China WANT a hypocritical system name democracy? China at least aren't hypocrites in their policy yet.
looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
|
Yeah HeadBangaa, I don't think he really knows what utilitarianism is... o_O
What's all this crap about "China wanting/not wanting democracy"? China isn't some kind of monolithic super-entity, and the democratic form of government doesn't have to be taken as an immutable, all-or-nothing package.
|
People have the government they deserve.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
On June 08 2009 11:46 Cali wrote:Sad how true this is.
There is no way people can fault the Chinese government on anything besides the decade old nit picking on human rights (humans right isn't going to feed your family or improve your quality of life) and freedom of speech (don't taze me bro!!)
The Chinese government has done far more to it's own population, to the world's population than any other foreign government hope to have achieved. People don't give enough for improving a quarter of the world's population's quality of life, education, health care and living standards.
The one child-policy has done more in the last 40 years to help reduce carbon emission in the long run than any carbon emission scheme still in consideration.
|
Well, people SCREAM when it's about China but :
In France (THE country of freedom... said to be), we actually voted for HADOPI/ This law, in brief, allows SPYWARES to be installed on every PCs in order to track you and cut your internet connection. How about that ?
Also, people usually like Singapour. Ok, now, guys, Wiki or Google it and tell me more about Singaporean government.
Wanna more ? Ok, I live in Japan (Tokyo) currently and here, many students and I mean REAL STUDENTS FROM GOOD UNIVERSITIES don't even know what really happened during the WW2. Many of them still think Nanking is a joke and Japan are right to try to conquer the world. And the fact is : Japan is the MOST broadbanded country in the world. Everyone has an Internet connection but people still think shit.
I ain't pro-China or whatever yet when it comes to China, people are usually harder.
Once again, people have the government they deserve.
This is the only truth.
edit :
but yeah, I agree, Chinese Gov. has achieved incredible things but Gov. can't change people. I mean, in the depth, China is still the same (I was born in China and I go there once or twice a year).
|
On June 08 2009 11:55 Cali wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2009 10:58 psion0011 wrote:
I'm laughing at the people making china out to be some kind of police state with big brother wong watching over you all the time.
And as if the US government doesn't restrict information as well hahahaha Not nearly to the extent as china. China makes obvious attempts to basically brainwash their "people". The US has a nice flow between propaganda from groups higher up and less bias media vs THE STATE is all, the state knows all. Let's see China's government who covers up a ton of things suppresses the media very obviously and would kill thousands to keep it self in power that doesn't sound like a police state, they don't do that. People don't have to fear for their lives for it to be a police state... China has been quite good at making their people not care about things above them.
I'd be more inclined to seriously respond to your post if you could coherently string a couple of sentences together.
Anybody wanna translate this post for me? Preferably in english, thanks.
|
|
|
|
|
On June 08 2009 12:06 Cali wrote:
Human rights the very interaction with people is not going to improve the quality of your life. Well if you not on the side of the short stick it's probably not going to.
Um, are you basically saying here that human rights won't improve your life, unless your life sucks?
???
|
On June 08 2009 12:06 Cali wrote:
I'm a firm believer in population control
me too man, We the people of the United States had been the leaders in population control, China got nothing on us. One child per couple? hell We can do it better. MUCH better, How? Wars! In which we can control the worlds population with ez, notice what i said, the WORLD population, i didn't say anything about United States population. Consider the following,
We like war, we´re a war-like people! We like war because we´re good at it! You
know why we´re good at it? Because we get a lot of practice. This country´s only
200 years old and already we´ve had ten major wars. We average a major war every
twenty years in this country, so we´re good at it! And it´s a good thing we
are, we´re not very good at anything else anymore! Hah? Can´t make a decent car,
can´t make a TV set or a VCR worth a fuck ... got no steel industry left, can´t
educate our young people ... can´t get health care to our old people ... but we
can bomb the shit out of your country
alright!
Especially if your country is full of brown people. Oh, we like that, don´t we,
that´s our hobby? That´s our new job in the world: bombing brown people! Iraq,
Panama, Grenada, Libya - you got some brown people in your country - tell ´em to
watch the fuck out ... or we´ll goddamn bomb them!
But when´s the last white people you can remember that we bombed, can you
remember -- can you remember ANY white people we´ve ever bombed? The Germans!
They were the only ones, and that´s only because they were trying to cut in on
our action! They wanted to dominate the world - bullshit, that´s our fuckin´
job!
Now we only bomb brown people. Not because they´re trying to cut in on our
action, just because they´re *brown*!
-George Carlin
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT![[image loading]](http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/tian_06_05/t15_19247371.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/tian_06_05/t14_19258029.jpg)
