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PS: WoW Arena takes quite a bit of skill, for example, countering a 1.5 sec cast time heal may not be too easy, and it has elements of "fog of war" but you hide behind the pillar instead to disallow others to cast spells on you. Definitely requires more than 50 APM, unlike what someone said. But I don't play WoW, my brother does.
I played WoW 2 years ago in season 2 as a Hunter in 2v2s and reached a 19XX rating. Back then Hunters sucked in 2v2s because we had to deal with the deadzone (A range between 5-8 where we can't melee or use our range weapon) and line of sight issues (exactly like you said you hide behind the pillars) which is why WoW arena is frustrating and unbalanced sometimes. You can imagine someone with logical sense would just keep kiting around the pillars against a hunter, which is why getting to 19XX with a hunter in 2v2s at that time must me I am a decent WoW player right? No not really its pretty easy game with a lot of retards, even though at the time arena sucked ass for Hunters the only reason I capped at 19XX is because I quit WoW, I know I could have reached higher. The point of this post I am saying WoW is easy and does not take skill as long as you are not a retard.
PS: WoW definitely requires around 50 APM because of global cool downs, after you use a skill there is a 1.5 sec cool down before you can use anything else. Also if counting 1.5 sec cast time is hard, try Guild Wars where you need to be countering 0.5 sec cast timers, =.= that shit is hard.
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Most people that I talk to about it understand pretty quickly. I'm able to set people straight pretty easily if they say "oh there's no skill just ling rush" or "graphics suck" or "it's so old" or anything like that. People get it pretty quickly once I tell them about some of the intricacies of the game or about how it's the most competitive e-sport ever or about how it's the best-selling (individually game-for-game) RTS ever.
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I met a guy once at a party like 1year ago that was into progaming and we talked a lot. Then this happened:
Me: "So where do you go to watch and follow progaming anyway? Teamliquid?"
Him: "No, I'm really active on SC2GG. I barely go on TL I don't have an account there"
Me: "Blasphemy."
He was a great guy so I tried to convince him to come on here, no idea if it worked since I never really saw him again after this lol
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On May 31 2009 17:53 ReCharge wrote:
In Computer Shops (w/out friends)
Dota Player: Lol, starcraft noob
Me: game? Let play Starcraft
Dota Player: Lol, ok, but don't cry to your mom ok?
15 mins later (I take whole map, and HIS nat. maxed PROBES)
I attack
then...
Dota Player: Let's Play Dota, I never played SC before.
Damn, now I can't wait to play SC in the shops from across the street.
On May 31 2009 21:41 o3.power91 wrote:+ Show Spoiler [incident 3] +*a conversation with a guy while I was browsing TL in class*
Him: what are you looking at?
Me: TeamLiquid.
Him: what's that?
Me: It's a Starcraft forum (I've told him in the past about Starcraft)
Him: and who is that? [points at a picture of Flash twitching during a game]
Me: This is Flash, the best player right now. (he was at the time)
Him: He looks like you (I'm part Asian).
Me: ? [Raise one eyebrow in disbelief]
Him: you see?
Me: ...
Dude it's ok, I have a classmate that looks like Best/Fantasy, and another one that looks like Flash (at least from 3/4 view), and there's a guy in our campus that looks like Nal_rA.
My share:
During a Y!Messenger conference with a certain circle of friends, I link them a picture of boxer.
+ Show Spoiler +2 seconds later, someone posted:
her: "I'm saving his pic, btw, what's his name?"
So I give the name
2 minutes later
her: "He's so cute, what does he do?"
me: He's a professional gamer.
her: He can play with me any time *wink wink*
From a friend as he was practicing/watching a PvZ game.
+ Show Spoiler +
His Dad: wtf why do those things look like hemorrhoids?
School moments:
+ Show Spoiler +My friend has StarCraft 1.09 in her laptop, I played.
me: wtf is your keyboard broken?
her: no, why?
me: my hotkeys aren't working, but the F -- (was about to tell her about F1 F2 F3 F4)
her: what hotkeys?
me: ........
Then I manage to mass gateways etc etc....
me: uhm, you can't rally?
her: yes you can.
me: no, I mean during the warp.
her: no you can't
+ Show Spoiler +
During a CAD project session, I was watching the vid of Boxer vs Oov game 4 on Neo Requiem.
me: *suppressing myself from exclaiming how perfect the mnm push was*
Surprisingly, a friend was behind me.
him: o.O are they pro?
He doesn't appreciate the godliness of the push.
+ Show Spoiler +
In the study hall, I was playing the final Protoss mission on expansion, where you're supposed to hold the temple or something.
me: Fuck that storm was useless. (I miscasted a storm)
friend: *goes to see what I was doing, got curious* so that's StarCraft..?
me: Yes
friend: looks like Warcraft 2.
Well they try their best not to offend.
+ Show Spoiler +
In the same study hall, me and my groupmates were rehearsing for our presentation of The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe (we were checking if we memorized our lines).
So everything was going well.
I hear something warping in so I got carried away.
I realized it was already my line.
me: sorry, I heard StarCraft
+ Show Spoiler +
In the same study hall, playing the final mission of Enslavers using P and T.
me: fuck that Ultralisk......
*after managing to wall in*
me: that will take care of him
*I take care of the forces in the right only to see my wall broken but the ultralisk about to die*
me: wtf happened.
friend: why?
me: uhm, you see, there's a unit here that keeps on respawning, I'm having a hard time.
friend: why not mind control him?
Oh at last someone that knows something about the game
me: O yeah, good thinking
*I get MC then he goes back to reading something*
*A few seconds later I call him so he can see the epic MC*
me: yay we got him!
*high five*
*a few minutes later*
me: what...the....fuck....
friend: why?
me: *points at the ultra*
friend: *goes back to reading*
+ Show Spoiler +
Same friend, it was our AutoCAD class but we came in around 30~35 minutes early, I load the final game of NaDa vs Anytime in the OSL.
After NaDa does the M sign over his head. (I was trying not to cry tears of joy)
friend: wtf, he looked like an idiot
me: he won the Golden mouse, that M was for the Mouse.
Up to now I'm not even sure if what I told him was right.
Shop moments:
+ Show Spoiler +I was in a shop waiting for a friend because we were about to go somewhere, I came about an hour early, I asked the guy over the counter if they had StarCraft.
him: StarCraft..........?
me: nevermind
TL moments
+ Show Spoiler +Actually at a stream during the KTF vs ACE SPL game.
Someone: HALO WARS >>>>> STARCRAFT
*Someone was banned by the moderator*
Maybe I can recall more tomorrow.
edited the spoiler tags.
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Virtually nobody plays Starcraft in England as it is essentially console-gaming nation. Here, the 360, Wii and PS3 rule. Unfortunately the PC is almost dead. In fact I honestly have never EVER met a RTS gamer in England.
I dont include the Chinese/Korean students by the way.
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Actually, my family is pretty ok with SC, my dad and brother plays Protoss, but they only play in 3v4 BGH, 2 humans + AI vs 4 AI, they don't play competitively.
When my dad catches my play he often watches.
One time PvZ on Destination. I was at the bottom.
My sair takes cheapshots on overlords but hydras tell him gtfo.
Dad: I think you should really build cannons along the top of your base.
Me: That would be a waste of minerals.
Sair goes back to taking cheap shots, ovie says fu with speed.
Dad: He's gonna drop your base.
Me: No he won't the speed was for my sair.
I attack my first 1.5 control group of zealots + 3 templars
A control group of ovies drops hydra lurk on my base.
Dad: Called it.
Me: wtf....
I lost, tried to go for an elimination race but didn't have enough storms to kill off lurkers, can't defend with what supposed to be my reinforcements.
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On June 03 2009 01:09 Psychobabas wrote:
Virtually nobody plays Starcraft in England as it is essentially console-gaming nation. Here, the 360, Wii and PS3 rule. Unfortunately the PC is almost dead. In fact I honestly have never EVER met a RTS gamer in England.
I dont include the Chinese/Korean students by the way.
You can say that for the United States also. Nobody plays PC games. NOBODY!!
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On June 03 2009 01:22 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Actually, my family is pretty ok with SC, my dad and brother plays Protoss, but they only play in 3v4 BGH, 2 humans + AI vs 4 AI, they don't play competitively.
When my dad catches my play he often watches.
One time PvZ on Destination. I was at the bottom.
My sair takes cheapshots on overlords but hydras tell him gtfo.
Dad: I think you should really build cannons along the top of your base.
Me: That would be a waste of minerals.
Sair goes back to taking cheap shots, ovie says fu with speed.
Dad: He's gonna drop your base.
Me: No he won't the speed was for my sair.
I attack my first 1.5 control group of zealots + 3 templars
A control group of ovies drops hydra lurk on my base.
Dad: Called it.
Me: wtf....
I lost, tried to go for an elimination race but didn't have enough storms to kill off lurkers, can't defend with what supposed to be my reinforcements.
Owned by Dad
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2 years ago, friends in college campus played CS on LAN. One of them: "there is one guy who asked about SC and plays it, no one likes him" :-)
recently they all switched to SC - team games on hunters with computers to balance teams. I gave some tips to one of them about walling in with terran and using ebay to extend tank range 
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I just explain it confidently and with real life words (as opposed to esport words) and I've never gotten any strange reactions.
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In most cases, SC is too ugly/old for casual players who just want to be trendy, too hard/fast for average players, and too annoying for hardcore players (control-wise, which I agree with. But they do generally find the game OK). And then there's the problem with cheaters ("hackers") when playing on BNet.
WC3 is a huge lot more popular than SC here, and it's hard to make a case for SC other than the facts that
a) 3 races are better balanced than 4
b) the craziest gamers of all (Koreans) prefer SC
But the counter arguments to these are usually:
a) can be made (almost) even with good map design
b) it was the first game there and it's hard for ANY new game to take its place, regardless of how good it is
... and these are hard to argue against. I don't care about it anymore though, since I don't play any RTS anymore.
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I tell them I'm playing the most badass game in the world, if they question it I tell them they're an idiot. I dont see what the big deal is.
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On June 02 2009 23:57 Shivaz wrote:Show nested quote +
PS: WoW Arena takes quite a bit of skill, for example, countering a 1.5 sec cast time heal may not be too easy, and it has elements of "fog of war" but you hide behind the pillar instead to disallow others to cast spells on you. Definitely requires more than 50 APM, unlike what someone said. But I don't play WoW, my brother does.
I played WoW 2 years ago in season 2 as a Hunter in 2v2s and reached a 19XX rating. Back then Hunters sucked in 2v2s because we had to deal with the deadzone (A range between 5-8 where we can't melee or use our range weapon) and line of sight issues (exactly like you said you hide behind the pillars) which is why WoW arena is frustrating and unbalanced sometimes. You can imagine someone with logical sense would just keep kiting around the pillars against a hunter, which is why getting to 19XX with a hunter in 2v2s at that time must me I am a decent WoW player right? No not really its pretty easy game with a lot of retards, even though at the time arena sucked ass for Hunters the only reason I capped at 19XX is because I quit WoW, I know I could have reached higher. The point of this post I am saying WoW is easy and does not take skill as long as you are not a retard. PS: WoW definitely requires around 50 APM because of global cool downs, after you use a skill there is a 1.5 sec cool down before you can use anything else. Also if counting 1.5 sec cast time is hard, try Guild Wars where you need to be countering 0.5 sec cast timers, =.= that shit is hard.
2k+ as a resto shaman in 3s back in seasons 2-4 (when everybody bitched that shamans sucked) and 2k as a prot warrior on bg9 in season 3 and 4. 50apm is pushing it as a 1.5 gcd only allows for 40 actual casts if you cast on the gcd every time with 0 lag. If you cap your haste as a caster (terrible idea) you can get 60 casts per minute under completely ideal circumstances. arena is the only thing that resembles skill, but still nothing compared to any other competitive game. its 90% what comp you run and what comps you face, and the skill level required to do well is dropping with every patch.
Oh, and to not be too off topic, I actually had a glimmer of hope the other day. I mentioned to a friend of a friend that I was moving to south korea and their first words were "do you play starcraft?" He doesn't actually play but he told me I should be at home practicing instead of here so I'm in shape for when I go.
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On June 03 2009 04:27 Idle wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2009 23:57 Shivaz wrote:
PS: WoW Arena takes quite a bit of skill, for example, countering a 1.5 sec cast time heal may not be too easy, and it has elements of "fog of war" but you hide behind the pillar instead to disallow others to cast spells on you. Definitely requires more than 50 APM, unlike what someone said. But I don't play WoW, my brother does.
I played WoW 2 years ago in season 2 as a Hunter in 2v2s and reached a 19XX rating. Back then Hunters sucked in 2v2s because we had to deal with the deadzone (A range between 5-8 where we can't melee or use our range weapon) and line of sight issues (exactly like you said you hide behind the pillars) which is why WoW arena is frustrating and unbalanced sometimes. You can imagine someone with logical sense would just keep kiting around the pillars against a hunter, which is why getting to 19XX with a hunter in 2v2s at that time must me I am a decent WoW player right? No not really its pretty easy game with a lot of retards, even though at the time arena sucked ass for Hunters the only reason I capped at 19XX is because I quit WoW, I know I could have reached higher. The point of this post I am saying WoW is easy and does not take skill as long as you are not a retard. PS: WoW definitely requires around 50 APM because of global cool downs, after you use a skill there is a 1.5 sec cool down before you can use anything else. Also if counting 1.5 sec cast time is hard, try Guild Wars where you need to be countering 0.5 sec cast timers, =.= that shit is hard. 2k+ as a resto shaman in 3s back in seasons 2-4 (when everybody bitched that shamans sucked) and 2k as a prot warrior on bg9 in season 3 and 4. 50apm is pushing it as a 1.5 gcd only allows for 40 actual casts if you cast on the gcd every time with 0 lag. If you cap your haste as a caster (terrible idea) you can get 60 casts per minute under completely ideal circumstances. arena is the only thing that resembles skill, but still nothing compared to any other competitive game. its 90% what comp you run and what comps you face, and the skill level required to do well is dropping with every patch. 100% truth. On s3 I was top 5ish on my priest in 5v5 and top 5ish on my druid in 3's. All my gladiator friends already quit the game for the same reason: the competitive part of wow completely suck. Balance suck. And skill means less than 10% of the outcome of the game like Idle said. Team composition and luck weight much more than player skill. So it gets old fast.
But most of them won't play SC because they find it boring and ugly. Unfortunately, simply being 'balanced' doesn't make a good game :O
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Actually, most of my friends still play SC so I'm quite lucky in that regard. And really, who else would know about this? I play by myself in a room... it's not like I'm busting out my laptop in the middle of the bus to get a few 4-pools in on iccup
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none of my friends play's sc. But most of them know about it and even know about korean pro scene.
The guy who got me into playing quit a few years ago. He was quite good back then, on LANs I always leeched his rep folder and I remember he had some games against [pg] members that he won. And he won every single game we played. A few month ago we played some 40 games or so and I won like 35 of them. He's Zerg and I'm Terran and he never played against a fe -.-.
One of my other friends switched to wc3 but quit a long time ago but he recently had the chance to go to another country for his company. He choose Korea but didn't get the spot he goes to Florida now  . Anyway we plan a trip to korea in the next year or so and we will watch proleague all the time
My girlfriend knows about my sc passion and on sunday evening when I bring her home I always ask her: "So what are you gonna do before going to bed? Read?" "Yes, and you? Watch gom?"
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Everyone thinks they the shit at sc. Always tell me how they mass hydra and were #1 on ladder. ~_~
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On May 31 2009 16:50 eMbrace wrote:
typical scenario:
Person: What are you playing?
Me: Starcraft.
Person: Why does it looks so weird?
Me: It's 11 years old.
Person: Then why are you playing it? It looks like your spazzing out...
Me: It's a competitive eSport
Person: Oh wow you need a life
this is pretty much what happens to me also haha
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Typical Scenario for me:
I play alot of different games, so when I bring up sc it goes like this
Person: I'll own you in sc
Me: Oh ya? Know what build orders are? 4 pool???
Person: Ya isn't that where you build 4 spawning pools
Me: ...sigh....
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this is how it usually goes for me...
scenarios one (noe wat sc is but barely...)
friend: wat r u up to?
me: playin sc
friend: u mean cs?
me: no i mean sc... starcraft?
friend: ohh... y don't u go out more and socialize?
me: i'm playing w/ my friends...
friend: well play w/ them outside! it's a good day
me: uh... they r my HS friends? want me to take a plane to play w/ them?
scenario two (don't noe shit about sc and could care less)
friend: wat r u doing
me: playing a game
friend: wat game
me: starcraft
friend: oh... y r u playing games rite now? u should be having fun
me: i am?
friend: haha games rn't that fun!
me: then wat is?
friend: uh hanging out w/ friends? movies? shopping?
me: doing in online, no money, no money
friend: pshh w.e
lols sometimes they r like oh u r playing the new sc2? it came out already?! and im just like =.= no.....
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