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April 1st Conflicker Virus

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Folca
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
2235 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-01 02:49:58
April 01 2009 01:35 GMT
#1
Has everyone heard of it? I heard this from a lot of my friends, and some teachers about this "conflicker" virus that like, is really annoying and is supposed to be set loose to all computers in April first (If not already.), anyone else hear about it? Im downloading patches and scans as we speak

http://www.bostonherald.com/business/technology/general/view.bg?articleid=1162343&srvc=business&position=recent

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Computer security firms are sounding the alarm about a new “Conflicker” virus that makes network computers their “slaves.”

Some think the software worm could try to expand its potential reach tomorrow, April Fools’ Day, no joke.

“It’s definitely serious,” Kevin Haley, director of security response at Symantec, said of the virus thought to be embedded in millions of network computers across the globe.

Security people are closely monitoring the virus, which some have compared to a spy “sleeper cell” that’s simply sitting dormant in computers awaiting its command to cause mischief or even criminal activities, such as stealing bank account data.

Each day, the Conflicker virus, as it’s known, sends out messages to about 500 computer domain names, seeking orders for what to do. Tomorrow, it’s expected to expand that base of inquiries to 50,000.

“A lot of the fear is based on the fact that most people don’t know what it will do,” said Haley. “It’s the anticipation (of the unknown) that’s getting to people.”

But Craig Schmugar, a senior computer threat researcher at McAfee Inc., said the Conflicker threat is “significantly disproportionate” to the attention the virus is getting.

Millions of computers are routinely infected with other viruses, often ones that are potentially nastier than Conflicker.

“The Internet is still going to be around April 2,” said Schmugar.

Haley agreed that, because of precautions taken by security officials, most computers are safe from possible Conflicker infections and damage.

But he said Conflicker needs constant monitoring due to its mysterious tactics and goals.



Im scurd. I've read some things about it, and ways to avoid it is to not make online transactions or money, because if you do get a conflicker virus, you could potentially lose that money, or something else.


:edit:
If you guys are as needy as I am right now, heres some sites that I have found to help me
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm (Basically a Scan on your computer, Windows only)
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/962007 (Symptoms of a Conflicker virus, computer editing to prevent it, or at least prevent the spread of it, and recover)
Sorry Mac users, Those websites only help people that use Windows

:edit: Physician, I meant to just say scans,

:edit: I'd rather be safe than sorry.


:edit:
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/132464;_ylt=Ak6jwkfS.et0rF90MX68mSjZn414
Update on news about the Conflicker Virus.

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Tomorrow -- April 1 -- is D-Day for Conficker, as whatever nasty payload it's packing is currently set to activate. What happens come midnight is a mystery: Will it turn the millions of infected computers into spam-sending zombie robots? Or will it start capturing everything you type -- passwords, credit card numbers, etc. -- and send that information back to its masters?

No one knows, but we'll probably find out soon.

Or not. As Slate notes, Conficker is scheduled to go "live" on April 1, but whoever's controlling it could choose not to wreak havoc but instead do absolutely nothing, waiting for a time when there's less heat. They can do this because the way Conficker is designed is extremely clever: Rather than containing a list of specific, static instructions, Conficker reaches out to the web to receive updated marching orders via a huge list of websites it creates. Conficker.C -- the latest bad boy -- will start checking 50,000 different semi-randomly-generated sites a day looking for instructions, so there's no way to shut down all of them. If just one of those sites goes live with legitimate instructions, Conficker keeps on trucking.

Conficker's a nasty little worm that takes serious efforts to bypass your security defenses, but you aren't without some tools in your arsenal to protect yourself.

Your first step should be the tools you already have: Windows Update, to make sure your computer is fully patched, and your current antivirus software, to make sure anything that slips through the cracks is caught.

But if Conficker's already on your machine, it may bypass certain subsystems and updating Windows and your antivirus at this point may not work. If you are worried about anything being amiss -- try booting into Safe Mode, which Conficker prevents, to check -- you should run a specialized tool to get rid of Conficker.

Microsoft offers a web-based scanner (note that some users have reported it crashed their machines; I had no trouble with it), so you might try one of these downloadable options instead: Symantec's Conficker (aka Downadup) tool, Trend Micro's Cleanup Engine, or Malwarebytes. Conficker may prevent your machine from accessing any of these websites, so you may have to download these tools from a known non-infected computer if you need them. Follow the instructions given on each site to run them successfully. (Also note: None of these tools should harm your computer if you don't have Conficker.)

As a final safety note, all users -- whether they're worried about an infection or know for sure they're clean -- are also wise to make a full data backup today.

What won't work? Turning your PC off tonight and back on on April 2 will not protect you from the worm (sorry to the dozens of people who wrote me asking if this would do the trick). Temporarily disconnecting your computer from the web won't help if the malware is already on your machine -- it will simply activate once you connect again. Changing the date on your PC will likely have no helpful effect, either. And yes, Macs are immune this time out. Follow the above instructions to detect and remove the worm.
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Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-01 01:37:46
April 01 2009 01:37 GMT
#2
the patch is the virus
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FreeDoM[YA]
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Canada855 Posts
April 01 2009 01:37 GMT
#3
My parents are making sure I don't downloading so I'm not allowed to watch res anymore so I'm not happy about this.
Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
April 01 2009 01:42 GMT
#4
Watch tomorrow nothing will happen.

Jokes on you media, anti-virus corporations, and anyone else worrying over it!
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Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
April 01 2009 01:45 GMT
#5
I think Microsoft simply created this so people will buy Vista in a panic... It's all an evil ploy . Why else would they post up that reward... They know that no one will be caught.
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-01 01:48:12
April 01 2009 01:47 GMT
#6
I just got the full version of AVG by signing up for a free trial on stamps.com and then canceling it! The lady on the phone tried so hard to dissuade me... I felt really bad! I can see how they make money though. If you wait a week and forget about it it'll just be a $19.95 bill every month on your credit card until you realize it and cancel.

I wonder if it's really that much better than the free version though.
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
April 01 2009 01:49 GMT
#7
On April 01 2009 10:47 Jonoman92 wrote:
I just got the full version of AVG by signing up for a free trial on stamps.com and then canceling it! The lady on the phone tried so hard to dissuade me... I felt really bad! I can see how they make money though. If you wait a week and forget about it it'll just be a $19.95 bill every month on your credit card until you realize it and cancel.

I wonder if it's really that much better than the free version though.


http://www.avast.com/
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22253 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-01 02:03:30
April 01 2009 01:51 GMT
#8
Edit - Reopened upon request. TBH, I think this is getting way more attention than warranted, and this thread is contributing to nothing more than paranoia, even the article itself mentions that there are more severe threats out there... but it seems to be making it's way around the webnews circuits, so I'll leave it open.
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XinRan
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States530 Posts
April 01 2009 02:26 GMT
#9
There is also a security patch Microsoft released to fix the problems that Conficker exploited. I would link it if I knew where it came from, but I downloaded it from my school. I'm guessing that patch is the one mentioned in this article: http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200903301000DOWJONESDJONLINE000317_FORTUNE5.htm. EvilTeletubby and Chuiu might be right about this, but I think it's better to be safe than sorry.
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ph33r
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada58 Posts
April 01 2009 02:29 GMT
#10
On April 01 2009 11:26 XinRan wrote:
There is also a security patch Microsoft released to fix the problems that Conficker exploited. I would link it if I knew where it came from, but I downloaded it from my school. I'm guessing that patch is the one mentioned in this article: http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200903301000DOWJONESDJONLINE000317_FORTUNE5.htm. EvilTeletubby and Chuiu might be right about this, but I think it's better to be safe than sorry.


This?

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS08-067.mspx
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
April 01 2009 02:31 GMT
#11
Does this mean internet terrorists have a sense of humor to do this on April Fools' Day?
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
April 01 2009 02:32 GMT
#12
Microsoft has had patches for each iteration of Conficker for months. The problem is stupid people don't update.
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5459 Posts
April 01 2009 02:35 GMT
#13
On April 01 2009 11:31 deathgod6 wrote:
Does this mean internet terrorists have a sense of humor to do this on April Fools' Day?

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XinRan
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States530 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-01 02:38:16
April 01 2009 02:37 GMT
#14
On April 01 2009 11:29 ph33r wrote:
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On April 01 2009 11:26 XinRan wrote:
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There is also a security patch Microsoft released to fix the problems that Conficker exploited. I would link it if I knew where it came from, but I downloaded it from my school. I'm guessing that patch is the one mentioned in this article: http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200903301000DOWJONESDJONLINE000317_FORTUNE5.htm. EvilTeletubby and Chuiu might be right about this, but I think it's better to be safe than sorry.


This?

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS08-067.mspx

Yeah, that's the one. The file names match anyway.
"To be fair, Kal played like absolute garbage. His noted inconsistency and bad record versus Jaedong high fived into a cacophony of suck." - TwoToneTerran
aeroH
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1034 Posts
April 01 2009 02:55 GMT
#15
On April 01 2009 11:35 redtooth wrote:
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On April 01 2009 11:31 deathgod6 wrote:
Does this mean internet terrorists have a sense of humor to do this on April Fools' Day?


Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
April 01 2009 02:56 GMT
#16
just dont go to fishy porn sites and you'll be ok
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Sprite
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1015 Posts
April 01 2009 03:09 GMT
#17
On April 01 2009 11:56 Night[Mare wrote:
just dont go to fishy porn sites and you'll be ok

^^^^Pretty much this is what you have to do.
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._.
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
1133 Posts
April 01 2009 03:10 GMT
#18
my antivirus program just picked up a virus from this site....wtf
:D
OmgIRok
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Taiwan2699 Posts
April 01 2009 03:22 GMT
#19
“It’s definitely serious,” Kevin Haley, director of security response at Symantec,

LOL AND YOU'RE GOING TO BELIEVE THE MAKERS OF NORTON? Fuck that shit, I say the newspost is their way of an April Fools Joke.
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MyStiC_Chaos
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States499 Posts
April 01 2009 03:25 GMT
#20
I'd say just update and run the Malicious Software removal thing just to be same. It won't even hurt and it would save you time so you won't have to do it later when your computer keeps bugging you to update -_-

I personally think it's just April Fools but it's better to be safe than sorry.
FirstProbe
Profile Joined June 2004
1206 Posts
April 01 2009 03:41 GMT
#21
I heard that it doesn't affect mac's :D
Xception704
Profile Joined May 2008
United States161 Posts
April 01 2009 03:57 GMT
#22
A friend's dad who goes to church with me and is a computer specialist just emailed me about it telling me to install the patch ...

I wasn't worried when I saw this topic the first time, but now I'm taking it more seriously.
Kennelie
Profile Joined December 2007
United States2296 Posts
April 01 2009 04:01 GMT
#23
A friend told me about this earlier today. Now I come to tl.net and read it. Haven't heard of it, but something that strikes me odd is earlier today the server was acting up at work. We'll see how this turns out.

P.S. Everything seems to work fine around my crib though.
ya had ya shot kid!
Xception704
Profile Joined May 2008
United States161 Posts
April 01 2009 04:03 GMT
#24
I'm running Windows 7 so I'm hoping it's not affected either.

The patch is supposed to be KB958644 (info from my friend's dad)
Kennelie
Profile Joined December 2007
United States2296 Posts
April 01 2009 04:07 GMT
#25
On April 01 2009 11:56 Night[Mare wrote:
just dont go to fishy porn sites and you'll be ok

LOL so 1999.

I do lots of online money transactions. If they take what I have it won't be much. We'll see.
ya had ya shot kid!
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
April 01 2009 04:07 GMT
#26
On April 01 2009 12:41 FirstProbe wrote:
I heard that it doesn't affect mac's :D

No one cares about macs enough to torch them with a worm or virus.
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iSCOUT4u
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States327 Posts
April 01 2009 04:09 GMT
#27
I dont understand why people beilieve this shit....omg guys Y2k is coming!!!!
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sith
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2474 Posts
April 01 2009 04:16 GMT
#28
The internet is literally falling apart around me ahhhhh.
leMaj24
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States262 Posts
April 01 2009 04:16 GMT
#29
nothing so far O_Oz
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
April 01 2009 04:20 GMT
#30
was there ever any question that virus companies dont make viruses?
its like the mob that beats you up unless you pay them for "protection"
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Kennelie
Profile Joined December 2007
United States2296 Posts
April 01 2009 04:23 GMT
#31
I don't know but its on yahoo's front page to d/l a fix. BLOW MY SHIT UP PLZ I NEED A REASON TO BUY A NEW ONE.
ya had ya shot kid!
MyStiC_Chaos
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States499 Posts
April 01 2009 04:29 GMT
#32
On April 01 2009 13:09 iSCOUT4u wrote:
I dont understand why people beilieve this shit....omg guys Y2k is coming!!!!


This is just a reason so people can update and scan their computers. Kind of like me haha. I stopped really updating but just today I actually installed them.... They were like program updates but oh well.
QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
April 01 2009 04:30 GMT
#33
Nothing so far to the point they haven't shut me down from playing Starcraft.
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ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
April 01 2009 06:31 GMT
#34
Objectdock has been crashing strangely lately, when i first heard this i was scared... and then i realised its a simple error with objectdock and utorrent and that this is all hype. If people are smart about how they surf then they'll be fine. Also, if 10 million computers are effected, i feel bad for the server they'll be reporting back to. Poor guy wont know what hit him.
U Gotta Skate.
pinenamu
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States770 Posts
April 01 2009 06:35 GMT
#35
seems like the patch isn't working for me. i keep getting "does not apply to this system" or something when i'm sure i downloaded the right one. i downloaded the vista 64 bit one since i have it lol. eh w/e, hope nothing happens haha
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
April 01 2009 06:58 GMT
#36
all im saying is: BRING IT ON! no virus ever gotten me so far, and i dont even have antivirus.
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
April 01 2009 07:44 GMT
#37
At first I thought it was just an April's Fools joke and it's just a way to make paranoid people buy an anti-virus software. Now that I'm seeing it on Microsoft's site, CNN, MSN, etc makes me think twice...
WindCalibur
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada938 Posts
April 01 2009 07:59 GMT
#38
On April 01 2009 15:31 ghermination wrote:
Objectdock has been crashing strangely lately, when i first heard this i was scared... and then i realised its a simple error with objectdock and utorrent and that this is all hype. If people are smart about how they surf then they'll be fine. Also, if 10 million computers are effected, i feel bad for the server they'll be reporting back to. Poor guy wont know what hit him.

I was wondering what will happen if that did occur also.

That guy must be like "o man I'm goooood, I just pwnt the world. I must be the smartest human in the world!"

*Then his computer/server promptly overloads*
Mista
Profile Joined January 2009
Singapore1022 Posts
April 01 2009 08:06 GMT
#39
Fuck i just got hi by Jambanmu.com and Flash10.exe.Freaking annoying.
Time for some Revolution !
besseriym
Profile Joined February 2009
United States42 Posts
April 01 2009 09:30 GMT
#40
LOL...

Threads like this always make me laugh, because you get to see how little people actually know about computers and viruses

My 2 cents:
Anyone that uses Windows (any form of Windows!) is ALWAYS at risk of getting a virus. The sad fact of the matter is, Microsoft refuses to remedy the "less than satisfactory" method in which they handle file and system permissions. This means that NO MATTER WHAT you do to protect your Windows machine from viruses, you are still at risk. There is absolutely NO way around this fact.

People will tell you that anti-virus software will protect you from viruses, but that's simply not true. They WILL do a decent job of catching MOST of the popular viruses and malware, but unfortunately it's IMPOSSIBLE to stop all (or even a good portion) of viruses from infecting any given system. This is a proven fact (i have personally tested this theory with several custom made viruses, some of which are STILL not detected by the leading anti-virus software.)

That being said, this is not meant to scare anyone or to bash Windows (although honestly, even a child can make a virus for Windows...what's wrong with that picture?), but to inform you that you are always at risk of being infected, so why worry about it now? In fact, Microsoft themselves have actually unknowingly released malicious software via the Official Windows Update tool (if anyone remembers the Blaster worm.) So basically, there's no point in worrying about some new virus that is "glorified" in the media because it's a simple case of scaring the public.

I would recommend staying AWAY from those "virus scanners" and "registry cleaners" and all of the ridiculous things that you think will help you find and remove a virus, because more often than not, they WILL mess your computer up! As long as you have a decent anti-virus software and you avoid web sites that are "questionable", then you are already doing everything you can to prevent an infection. As sad as it is, with Windows, getting a virus is a game of Russian Roulette :\ Chances are it WILL happen to you at least once and some people will never even know they're infected

If you're honestly that worried about a virus, be sure to BACK UP any important data you have on your computer so that if you do get infected and it does take down your system, at least you can save your personal files. OR you can use a better Operating System, like any one of the Linux distrobutions, although you won't be able to use the majority of your windows programs on it :\
Whoa...people still play Starcraft?!?!?...awesome. ^^
Kennelie
Profile Joined December 2007
United States2296 Posts
April 01 2009 13:29 GMT
#41
Well seems like everything is fine here at work. April foollss.
ya had ya shot kid!
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 01 2009 13:47 GMT
#42
Wut >_> I thought there's always been april 1. viruses. Or maybe it's the same joke every year. Oh well, normally, the more aggressive the advertizing is, the more suspicious the antivirus is. So I'll just trust mine, and screw norton.
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LML
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Germany1764 Posts
April 01 2009 14:04 GMT
#43
April fool ftw?;d
LML
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
April 01 2009 14:13 GMT
#44
On April 01 2009 15:35 JinSol wrote:
seems like the patch isn't working for me. i keep getting "does not apply to this system" or something when i'm sure i downloaded the right one. i downloaded the vista 64 bit one since i have it lol. eh w/e, hope nothing happens haha

+1

what if this patch is actually the virus from the m$ site O.O
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ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
April 01 2009 14:53 GMT
#45
Oh wow, nothing happened. Feels kind of Y2Kish
U Gotta Skate.
DwmC_Foefen
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Belgium2186 Posts
April 01 2009 15:41 GMT
#46
If I were a guy who controls a worm that supposedly has thousands of computers under his control, and if I were to say that I'm going to unleash the power april first, I'd change date :p I mean, it would kinda stupid when everybody is expecting it...
Typho0n
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada276 Posts
April 01 2009 16:05 GMT
#47
anybody get screwed by this virus? lol
kAra
Profile Joined September 2004
Germany1360 Posts
April 01 2009 16:26 GMT
#48
nope ! too easy
mada mada dane
0xDEADBEEF
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany1235 Posts
April 01 2009 16:47 GMT
#49
On April 01 2009 18:30 besseriym wrote:
LOL...

Threads like this always make me laugh, because you get to see how little people actually know about computers and viruses

My 2 cents:
Anyone that uses Windows (any form of Windows!) is ALWAYS at risk of getting a virus. The sad fact of the matter is, Microsoft refuses to remedy the "less than satisfactory" method in which they handle file and system permissions. This means that NO MATTER WHAT you do to protect your Windows machine from viruses, you are still at risk. There is absolutely NO way around this fact.

People will tell you that anti-virus software will protect you from viruses, but that's simply not true. They WILL do a decent job of catching MOST of the popular viruses and malware, but unfortunately it's IMPOSSIBLE to stop all (or even a good portion) of viruses from infecting any given system. This is a proven fact (i have personally tested this theory with several custom made viruses, some of which are STILL not detected by the leading anti-virus software.)

That being said, this is not meant to scare anyone or to bash Windows (although honestly, even a child can make a virus for Windows...what's wrong with that picture?), but to inform you that you are always at risk of being infected, so why worry about it now? In fact, Microsoft themselves have actually unknowingly released malicious software via the Official Windows Update tool (if anyone remembers the Blaster worm.) So basically, there's no point in worrying about some new virus that is "glorified" in the media because it's a simple case of scaring the public.

I would recommend staying AWAY from those "virus scanners" and "registry cleaners" and all of the ridiculous things that you think will help you find and remove a virus, because more often than not, they WILL mess your computer up! As long as you have a decent anti-virus software and you avoid web sites that are "questionable", then you are already doing everything you can to prevent an infection. As sad as it is, with Windows, getting a virus is a game of Russian Roulette :\ Chances are it WILL happen to you at least once and some people will never even know they're infected

If you're honestly that worried about a virus, be sure to BACK UP any important data you have on your computer so that if you do get infected and it does take down your system, at least you can save your personal files. OR you can use a better Operating System, like any one of the Linux distrobutions, although you won't be able to use the majority of your windows programs on it :\


You seem stuck in the late 90s or early 00s.
Windows has really improved a lot in security in the last few years.
In fact, it seems like Windows is now a tough nut to crack, and OS X is the most vulnerable OS.
I've heard that OS X has some default settings which are rather questionable from a security standpoint, and (most importantly) OS X was the easiest OS to crack at a recent hacking convention called Pwn2Own (http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/03/28/mac_hack/ - but you can also find the same news on many other sites. Fun fact as well: Chrome was the only uncrackable browser (apparently because its sandbox model improves its security a lot), all others were cracked (Firefox, IE, Safari, Opera)). Mozilla reacted extremely fast though and released the 3.0.8 upgrade which fixed the vulnerability.
It also all fits well into the quote "Apple is the new Microsoft" -- Apple is repeating a lot of the same mistakes that made Microsoft the laughing stock of the '90s. For example only focus on usability and none on security, and of course a lot of vendor lock-in techniques.
But MS apparently did its homework. Windows Vista (and maybe XP also since SP3) is now more secure than the latest version of OS X.
besseriym
Profile Joined February 2009
United States42 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-01 18:52:20
April 01 2009 18:50 GMT
#50
0xDEADBEEF, we're talking about viruses, not hacking a computer. And I'm not sure where you're getting your information about Microsoft, but it's still the easiest system to "hack" due to the sheer number of available vulnerabilities alone :\ They "attempted" to improve their system vulnerabilities by implementing a new user permissions check, which unfortunately is more annoying than it is secure Now, Microsoft themselves have claimed that they're new Operating Systems are far more secure than previous models (which, considering their predecessors, isn't much of a task), but anyone with mediocre knowledge of system security can be a nightmare to a Windows user. Even kids who have next to ZERO knowledge about how computers work are able to make viruses and other similar files which can cause SERIOUS harm to your system. I'm not a fan of Macs either, but their OS is built better than Windows in regards to viruses and malware :\

BUT since we're not talking about how easy the system is to "hack" and we're actually talking about viruses, I'm pretty sure that even someone who knows NOTHING about computers would agree that Windows is EASILY the most vulnerable OS to malware of any sort (viruses, spyware etc.) and has held that position for a long time.

I'm not hating on Windows...I'm simply pointing out facts, and the fact is that if you use Windows you are very much vulnerable to a virus or similar malware. I personally use Linux as my primary OS, and run a Virtual Machine with Windows on it for when i need to use Windows applications. I have not and never will see a virus or spyware on this machine
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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
April 01 2009 19:00 GMT
#51
I'm not hating on Windows...I'm simply pointing out facts,
A lot of those 'facts' are unsubstantiated opinions.
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b3h47pte
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1317 Posts
April 01 2009 19:06 GMT
#52
The only reason little kids can make viruses is because of the internet.
And you'll never see a virus for linux until (if) linux ever becomes the most popular OS and then i'll be using windows and laughing at you for having linux and having all your viruses.
0xDEADBEEF
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-01 19:24:20
April 01 2009 19:20 GMT
#53
@ besseriym

a) 90% use Windows -> 90% of viruses target Windows. Simple.

b) The vast majority of (those) viruses aren't very interesting or dangerous, and if you're only slightly IT-savvy you will never fall victim to one of them.
Anyone can write a virus but it'll be shitty and every virus scanner heuristics will detect it even without "knowing" the virus yet.
It's an uncommon occasion when a brilliant virus/worm (such as Conficker) comes along, one which exploits dangerous holes in the operating system (remotely! I.e. doesn't necessarily rely on the user doing anything, such as executing a .exe... it'll just spread over the network, it'll infect you without you doing anything if you didn't install a patch or if there isn't even a patch available yet).
On top of that, Conficker also tries hard to stay on the system and it has a smart updating mechanism.

So... dangerous viruses/worms, like Conficker, exploit security holes. And that's why I mentioned security of the OS.
If you still think that you are safe when not visiting shady sites and not opening shady .exe files or mail attachments from strangers, think again. It's not the 90s anymore.
Your operating system, browser, or any other piece of fairly common software you use daily might enable a virus to slip into your system without you noticing it or doing anything.
Which is why updates are extremely important, on any platform, with any software.
In fact, the patch which would have prevented Conficker infestation already came out before the worm was spreading, in October 2008. But apparently people don't like updating, and companies are slow with deploying patches to all their machines, if they do it at all.
So despite the patch being already available for quite some time (so much for Windows being an easy target, eh? In this case it was the users' fault, not the OS...) Conficker managed to build up a huge botnet.
And when it comes to OS security, updates and reaction time of the developers, Windows is doing extremely well lately - almost as good as Linux probably. And OS X seems to be the loser. Not that I care about OS X being the loser, but the important point is that Windows ISN'T the loser anymore. And the Conficker infestation was absolutely not Windows' or MS' fault, because they patched the vulnerability already in advance.

but it's still the easiest system to "hack" due to the sheer number of available vulnerabilities alone :\


Definitely not true anymore.
aeroH
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1034 Posts
April 01 2009 19:25 GMT
#54
On April 01 2009 23:13 da_head wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2009 15:35 JinSol wrote:
seems like the patch isn't working for me. i keep getting "does not apply to this system" or something when i'm sure i downloaded the right one. i downloaded the vista 64 bit one since i have it lol. eh w/e, hope nothing happens haha

+1

what if this patch is actually the virus from the m$ site O.O


+2
oh well. APRIL FOOLS!
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
April 01 2009 19:31 GMT
#55
I only visit Teamliquid because I know thats a trusted site and won't ever stab me in the back with a virus.......I hope
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
April 01 2009 19:34 GMT
#56
i only download porn so im safe.
besseriym
Profile Joined February 2009
United States42 Posts
April 01 2009 19:35 GMT
#57
lol...

They are not my opinions, they are actually facts ;o If you honestly believe that there is another OS out there more susceptible to viruses than Windows, than you should really start reading :\

b3h47pte...you clearly have no clue what you're talking about The reason Linux doesn't have viruses has nothing to do with the fact that it is not the most popular OS, it has more to do with how the system handles permissions. And for the record, the reason Windows is the most widely used OS is because of the fact that the VAST majority of home computer users are completely computer illiterate and have NO idea that there is an alternative to Windows (or even what an Operating System is for that matter.) I'll go ahead and assume that you probably fall under that category as well

Either way, I'm not gonna argue about which OS is better in a forum thread. If you really like Windows, then that's fantastic. Just watch out for all the malware lol.
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0xDEADBEEF
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany1235 Posts
April 01 2009 19:47 GMT
#58
There's a huge difference between the OS being susceptible to viruses and the number of viruses available for the OS.
Tons of viruses are available for Windows, but most suck and you'll never be infected by one of them if you're not totally computer illiterate.
Because of the points I mentioned above, I'd guess that Windows is less susceptible to viruses now than OS X. Because Windows has gotten very secure. If a virus spreads, it's most likely the fault of the user. Like with Conficker. So basically you're coming to the wrong conclusion. You only see that many viruses are available for Windows and so it must be somehow easy to get infected, or that it must be somehow less safe than other OSses. Which isn't true. Ok, the threat of so many viruses out there maybe shouldn't be underestimated, but still, Windows has become fairly secure so it's likely you'll never have virus problems if you're a somewhat competent user. Just like with the other OSses too. They just have the "advantage" of low popularity, meaning very few viruses in general. But my point pretty much is that if Linux, OS X and Windows had 33.3% market share each and we'd only count future viruses, then Windows would probably not be the easiest target (anymore).
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
April 01 2009 21:59 GMT
#59
I hate this thread. Now I'm paranoid because for the first time in awhile, my computer randomly restarted twice today... Or at least I had to restart it because of massive lag. The first time because I visited a webpage to download a torrent (from a regular torrent site) which somehow opened a PDF page that made my computer super lag and even when I finally managed to close firefox, the lag remained so I restarted my computer... And then later today when, admittedly, I was running quite a few programs, I got an error message about "not having enough memory" and a blue screen for the first time in my life on this computer... Not the regular blue screen either. A new one with lots of instructions telling me things like "if this is not the first time you've seen this message, just restart your computer." I restarted.

It's lies! I refuse to believe I have a virus! :@
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
April 01 2009 22:09 GMT
#60
I thought this was an april fools just until I saw this on the news like 5 minutes ago. Wow, I guess it isn't april fools.
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MyStiC_Chaos
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States499 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-02 01:45:21
April 02 2009 00:27 GMT
#61
At 11:59 PM on the 1st of April, the guy behind the Conflicker is going to be like "haha I got everyone to believe that there's a virus but there isn't!



April Fool's".

gg
EternaLEnVy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada513 Posts
April 02 2009 01:58 GMT
#62
On April 01 2009 12:09 Sprite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2009 11:56 Night[Mare wrote:
just dont go to fishy porn sites and you'll be ok

^^^^Pretty much this is what you have to do.

lol, this is jaedongfan
Hell in my head
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 02 2009 02:06 GMT
#63
Let's see what it can do =P still no patches or anything.
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Equaoh
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada427 Posts
April 02 2009 02:13 GMT
#64
I really doubt this is a real problem or threat.
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
April 02 2009 06:10 GMT
#65
Doesn't look like there was any damage whatsoever. I can guarantee that the monetary damage done by this worm will never be more than the monetary damage caused by lost productivity due to offices shutting down computer systems etc. to stop the next "Y2K"
U Gotta Skate.
Gigaudas
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-02 06:37:18
April 02 2009 06:36 GMT
#66
On April 01 2009 12:09 Sprite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2009 11:56 Night[Mare wrote:
just dont go to fishy porn sites and you'll be ok

^^^^Pretty much this is what you have to do.


Pretty much all you have to do is keep your system up to date.

The only danger associated with the conficker virus is the many unupdated computers up there. This is obviously a danger to the owner of that computer but it is also a danger to everyone else as the makers of conficker can use those computers for denial-of-service attacks.

On April 01 2009 12:22 OmgIRok wrote:
“It’s definitely serious,” Kevin Haley, director of security response at Symantec,

LOL AND YOU'RE GOING TO BELIEVE THE MAKERS OF NORTON? Fuck that shit, I say the newspost is their way of an April Fools Joke.


The latest versions of Norton are awesome. I can scan my computer while running Empire: Total War and I do not even notice it. It can sometimes block programs that you do not want it to block but so does every other anti virus program. Besides, you have to be pretty dumb with computers to not be able to avoid that happening.
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besseriym
Profile Joined February 2009
United States42 Posts
April 02 2009 08:35 GMT
#67
On April 02 2009 04:47 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
There's a huge difference between the OS being susceptible to viruses and the number of viruses available for the OS.
Tons of viruses are available for Windows, but most suck and you'll never be infected by one of them if you're not totally computer illiterate.
Because of the points I mentioned above, I'd guess that Windows is less susceptible to viruses now than OS X. Because Windows has gotten very secure. If a virus spreads, it's most likely the fault of the user. Like with Conficker. So basically you're coming to the wrong conclusion. You only see that many viruses are available for Windows and so it must be somehow easy to get infected, or that it must be somehow less safe than other OSses. Which isn't true. Ok, the threat of so many viruses out there maybe shouldn't be underestimated, but still, Windows has become fairly secure so it's likely you'll never have virus problems if you're a somewhat competent user. Just like with the other OSses too. They just have the "advantage" of low popularity, meaning very few viruses in general. But my point pretty much is that if Linux, OS X and Windows had 33.3% market share each and we'd only count future viruses, then Windows would probably not be the easiest target (anymore).


Ok, it's obvious that you are not very well informed about the subject at hand, and your information is not correct.

I understand what you're saying...you're saying that the reason Windows is so susceptible to viruses is because of the amount of viruses made for Windows, which is not accurate. You are correct in stating that the reason there are SO MANY viruses for Windows is because of it's popularity, but that is NOT the reason it is so susceptible. The reason it is susceptible is because Microsoft does not implement your system permissions correctly. What this means in a nutshell is that I can basically make this virus do whatever I want to your computer, because it is VERY easy to gain administrative rights on a Windows machine...and once I have administrative rights of your box, I can then do whatever I please (including the complete destruction of your OS.) In fact, you don't have to actually download the virus and install it for me to take FULL control of your computer. This has been well documented, and actually brought to the attention of Microsoft by a ridiculous number of security experts. The fact is that Microsoft refuses to properly secure their OS for reasons unknown to the intelligent tech community (other than the fact that there's no money in a cure :\)

I have no clue where you are getting the information that the majority of viruses for Windows are not dangerous, because that is absolutely false. I think you may have meant to imply that the majority of Spyware is not dangerous, which would be an accurate statement. There is a large difference between Spyware and Viruses, and if you ask me, I wouldn't really want to have to deal with either. Because of the fact that its incredibly easy to make a virus for Windows, you also have to take into consideration that a good portion of those viruses (usually made by script kiddies) are not made very well at all. But as far as I'm concerned, ANY virus is a bad virus.

You also mentioned "If a virus spreads, it's most likely the fault of the user." Which is again completely false. Even if you are very computer literate, once you are infected with a properly made virus, there is very little you can actually do to prevent it from doing it's damage (unless it gets caught preemptively by your anti-virus software.) All you can really do is hope that the virus you were infected with doesn't do permanent damage to your system. And that's assuming you actually NOTICE the virus (which again, if it's made properly will not be so easy to do.)

On the flip side, the System Permissions on a Unix based OS (like Linux or OS X) are handled very differently than that of a Microsoft OS. This means that in order for me to gain Administrative rights on a *nix machine, I would have to go through a lot more work, and if your system is configured properly this task is NOT easy by any means. Only when I gain administrative rights to your computer can i do any REAL damage.

SO...that being said, you can choose to believe whatever you want about the security of Windows, but the fact is that it is NOT a very secure OS, and never has been. I don't want to give the impression that using a different OS will make you "unhackable" because that is also completely false, but as for worrying about viruses and spyware...that is primarily a Windows concern.

I do not hate Windows. In fact, I actually use several different versions of Windows for work (I am a systems and network administrator.) They have a very nice looking OS, and also have a large number of very innovative ideas when it comes to Operating Systems. But the fact remains that it is obviously not made with security in mind. Although Microsoft is very adamant about fighting the ongoing virus threat, they still fail to fix the most fundamental security holes.

Being fair to Microsoft, if they did choose to "rebuild" their system to be more secure, they would in fact have to give up some of the "ease of use" that is enjoyed by Windows users. Windows is basically like "computers for dummies" in terms of how easy it is to use, when compared to its counterparts which are slightly more complicated to grasp without some prior computer experience. As history has shown us time and time again, the easiest things to use are also usually the least safe :\

Sorry for the long post, and I can promise you this will be my last post in this thread I just wanted to make myself a little more clear.

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Vex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Ireland454 Posts
April 02 2009 09:12 GMT
#68
Microsoft are giving 250 hundred thousand dollars to whoever gives information leading to the arrest of the creators. i think it was either inc or testie.
"Bonjwa" is the most retarded word ever. Wtf does it even sound like.
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