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On July 03 2010 19:55 PaddyPower wrote:
I know the world would be a fucked up place without these pigs, but seriously they need to GTFO i remember when i was 18 sitting with some friends getting stoned in a field and we got "stormed" in on by like 10 pigs they searched the cabin found a "5" lump of tac (5 pounds worth) and proceeded to arrest me and take me back to the station, god it was a ball the size of a 2p >> fucking pigs always starting a jihad against smoking weed.
hahaha you want to remove the thin blue line so you can smoke some weed. Sounds like you're going places
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On July 03 2010 19:55 PaddyPower wrote:
I know the world would be a fucked up place without these pigs, but seriously they need to GTFO i remember when i was 18 sitting with some friends getting stoned in a field and we got "stormed" in on by like 10 pigs they searched the cabin found a "5" lump of tac (5 pounds worth) and proceeded to arrest me and take me back to the station, god it was a ball the size of a 2p >> fucking pigs always starting a jihad against smoking weed.
Lol so you don't like police because they CAUGHT you doing something illegal? You're an idiot.
I'll tell you how it is from the other side of the line. I don't care if someone smokes weed or not as long as they aren't endangering someone...UNLESS I CAN SEE IT.
If I can see it, smell it, or something else then you aren't hidden well enough to smoke weed. Learn to do it where I can't see it. These idiots that smoke it at a public pool deserve to be sent to jail if only for their brazen stupidity.
Also, without Tazers there would be a hell of a lot more mentally disturbed people being shot. That's what the primary function of Tazers are, to bridge the gap between an intermediate and lethal force and to put down schizophrenic psychopaths that are about to slit someones throat without killing them. Pepper spraying someone thats charging at me with a knife is not a reasonable action...so it's either I taze them or I shoot them, both of which are completely and totally justified.
You take my tazer away and someone gets shot, just keep that in mind.
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just quoting you so more people will go for the topic rather then bash on a dumb ass pot head who was banned.
I thought it might come down to involuntary manslaughter, hes likely to get more time just for being a former police officer.
It did come out quick so that may factor to how ppl would react.
I always thought it would be involuntary manslaughter, as murder means there was intent which would be hard to prove.
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a gun or a tazer should only be taken out of the holster if there is a clear and immediate threat. Not a "oh, he was struggling, even though we outnumbered the guy 3 - 1, he should be tazed, or threatened with a gun." This entire situation should have been avoided.
IMO he deserves the book thrown at him. He showed no respect for human life if he is that quick to pull a weapon on a defenceless person. The cops should have just, how do you say, smack him around a bit before pulling their piece.
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On July 09 2010 08:53 Waffles wrote:
Oh hey guys, since a white man was racist to a black man, lets pour into the streets, scaring almost all of the businesses in the area which are mostly run by minorities and destroy their business. I mean we are only in the worst economic recession since the great depression, but those businesses wouldnt mind that we take a day and a half worth of their profits, rob their stores, and at that we waste money totaling over a million dollars to monitor and make sure these dumbasses dont kill anyone.
Its funny cause when they go on these stupid riots they end up destroying a bunch of their own shit. And I didn't think it was racism, it was just a freak accident. That being said, that cop got way too little time, 2-4 years is bullshit.
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On July 09 2010 09:37 Megalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 08:53 Waffles wrote:
Oh hey guys, since a white man was racist to a black man, lets pour into the streets, scaring almost all of the businesses in the area which are mostly run by minorities and destroy their business. I mean we are only in the worst economic recession since the great depression, but those businesses wouldnt mind that we take a day and a half worth of their profits, rob their stores, and at that we waste money totaling over a million dollars to monitor and make sure these dumbasses dont kill anyone. Its funny cause when they go on these stupid riots they end up destroying a bunch of their own shit. And I didn't think it was racism, it was just a freak accident. That being said, that cop got way too little time, 2-4 years is bullshit.
hes likely to get a full 4 and the judge made a note that he may modify that to get more time somehow. Again former police tend to get the maximum of any given sentence when they are convicted.
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Honestly I can't form an opinion because there's not enough information and every single informational outlet is one sided for either side. Also: it was called involuntary manslaughter today, and I'm in Oakland, so there's a bunch of sirens going off right now. I'll keep you guys informed if any serious rioting happens near me.
Also it's really really hard to say what happened REALLY because there's only two people who know what happened and one is dead and the other is prosecuted. In these types of situations is so sad that either side has to embellish their side so that they win a case. I just wish I knew what happened 100%.
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until we have time traveling viewing technology i don't think that's going to happen, that or mind reading but the mind isn't reliable for sources of evidence.
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Indeed. It's the horrible fact about daily life that makes proper opinions hard to form.
Either way, I'll be acting as TL's official Oakland correspondent for now, unless there already is one.
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On July 09 2010 08:53 Waffles wrote:
Oh hey guys, since a white man was racist to a black man, lets pour into the streets, scaring almost all of the businesses in the area which are mostly run by minorities and destroy their business. I mean we are only in the worst economic recession since the great depression, but those businesses wouldnt mind that we take a day and a half worth of their profits, rob their stores, and at that we waste money totaling over a million dollars to monitor and make sure these dumbasses dont kill anyone.
Yeah well that's just how it work, shit whiteman shot a blackman obviously it was racism, shit no african americans in the jury obviously the prosecutor and the defense are also racist. Really i hope they don't riot that's just stupid... he got convicted and he will be getting significant jail time. Ofc what about juries convicting ugly people when attractive people tend to get aquited there is also what race you are what sex you are which studies show affect how the jury feels about you. I don't mind people getting angry i just mind when people claim racism end to end then claim "justice" as mob rule of clearly bias people.
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On July 09 2010 08:53 Waffles wrote:
Oh hey guys, since a white man was racist to a black man, lets pour into the streets, scaring almost all of the businesses in the area which are mostly run by minorities and destroy their business. I mean we are only in the worst economic recession since the great depression, but those businesses wouldnt mind that we take a day and a half worth of their profits, rob their stores, and at that we waste money totaling over a million dollars to monitor and make sure these dumbasses dont kill anyone.
I get your point but your tone is really fucking childish. Whether or not the police officer shot him because the suspect was black, you have to try to understand how the family would feel, and how the African-American community sees the whole issue. Do you honestly believe that the African-American community gives a shit about the state of the economy and the recession when they believe there was an absence of justice and a member of their community was shot without reason? Maybe they don't feel safe, I mean what's stopping other cops from killing black people when they only get 4 years? It's not about money. It's about the fundamentals.
I'm not arguing whether or not the sentence was right or wrong I don't know jack shit about the law, but your post just lacked common sense in my point of view. You are looking at it strictly from a monetary point of view and really doesn't have much to with the case itself. People don't just act out for without reason. They know the consequences of acting out (you get jailed/fined/arrested/assaulted) but they do it anyways because of their beliefs and they feel wronged. Racial profiling and discrimination has a long history especially with African-Americans and maybe they feel this is the last straw? Perhaps they feel an innocent young man's life was taken too soon by discrimination?
If there is nothing to be done legally, and you are backed into a corner wouldn't you retaliate if you felt such an injustice had been served to you or your loved ones? Perhaps rioting may not be the ideal way to retaliate (not because it causes harm to local businesses and drains money from the city) but because it doesn't get the message across. I'm not black but if something like that happened in my city I would most certainly join non-violent demonstrations.
Human life > Money
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On January 05 2009 12:25 GeneralStan wrote:
"loving father", "hard worker" and "sports enthusiast" all sound like cover for the fact that this Grant character was clearly a violent sociopath. I'm sure he had it coming.
He had it coming for sitting there peacefully? I'm glad people like you aren't the majority in law enforcement.
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On July 09 2010 11:38 kryto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2009 12:25 GeneralStan wrote:
"loving father", "hard worker" and "sports enthusiast" all sound like cover for the fact that this Grant character was clearly a violent sociopath. I'm sure he had it coming. He had it coming for sitting there peacefully? I'm glad people like you aren't the majority in law enforcement.
You are an idiot.
How can you NOT see the dripping sarcasm there? Jesus some people are just beyond belief!
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All I can say is I can sympathize with the family. For Christ's sake the guy was a father too. Damn. If a cop shot a member of my family and got 4 years I'd go fucking nuts.
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On July 09 2010 09:37 Megalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 08:53 Waffles wrote:
Oh hey guys, since a white man was racist to a black man, lets pour into the streets, scaring almost all of the businesses in the area which are mostly run by minorities and destroy their business. I mean we are only in the worst economic recession since the great depression, but those businesses wouldnt mind that we take a day and a half worth of their profits, rob their stores, and at that we waste money totaling over a million dollars to monitor and make sure these dumbasses dont kill anyone. Its funny cause when they go on these stupid riots they end up destroying a bunch of their own shit. And I didn't think it was racism, it was just a freak accident. That being said, that cop got way too little time, 2-4 years is bullshit.
4 years in prison as an ex police officer is practically a death sentence.
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UPDATE: Rioting going on in areas slightly further away from me.
The rioting is dispersing, but riot shield bearing police have lines. Looting going on, apparently.
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On July 09 2010 13:08 gchan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 09:37 Megalisk wrote:On July 09 2010 08:53 Waffles wrote:
Oh hey guys, since a white man was racist to a black man, lets pour into the streets, scaring almost all of the businesses in the area which are mostly run by minorities and destroy their business. I mean we are only in the worst economic recession since the great depression, but those businesses wouldnt mind that we take a day and a half worth of their profits, rob their stores, and at that we waste money totaling over a million dollars to monitor and make sure these dumbasses dont kill anyone. Its funny cause when they go on these stupid riots they end up destroying a bunch of their own shit. And I didn't think it was racism, it was just a freak accident. That being said, that cop got way too little time, 2-4 years is bullshit. 4 years in prison as an ex police officer is practically a death sentence.
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On July 09 2010 11:30 ThePurist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 08:53 Waffles wrote:
Oh hey guys, since a white man was racist to a black man, lets pour into the streets, scaring almost all of the businesses in the area which are mostly run by minorities and destroy their business. I mean we are only in the worst economic recession since the great depression, but those businesses wouldnt mind that we take a day and a half worth of their profits, rob their stores, and at that we waste money totaling over a million dollars to monitor and make sure these dumbasses dont kill anyone. I get your point but your tone is really fucking childish. Whether or not the police officer shot him because the suspect was black, you have to try to understand how the family would feel, and how the African-American community sees the whole issue. Do you honestly believe that the African-American community gives a shit about the state of the economy and the recession when they believe there was an absence of justice and a member of their community was shot without reason? Maybe they don't feel safe, I mean what's stopping other cops from killing black people when they only get 4 years? It's not about money. It's about the fundamentals.I'm not arguing whether or not the sentence was right or wrong I don't know jack shit about the law, but your post just lacked common sense in my point of view. You are looking at it strictly from a monetary point of view and really doesn't have much to with the case itself. People don't just act out for without reason. They know the consequences of acting out (you get jailed/fined/arrested/assaulted) but they do it anyways because of their beliefs and they feel wronged. Racial profiling and discrimination has a long history especially with African-Americans and maybe they feel this is the last straw? Perhaps they feel an innocent young man's life was taken too soon by discrimination? If there is nothing to be done legally, and you are backed into a corner wouldn't you retaliate if you felt such an injustice had been served to you or your loved ones? Perhaps rioting may not be the ideal way to retaliate (not because it causes harm to local businesses and drains money from the city) but because it doesn't get the message across. I'm not black but if something like that happened in my city I would most certainly join non-violent demonstrations. Human life > Money
My tone is less childish than the people out there looting and rioting.
yea, youre right, human life>money. but youre gonna hurt people that have nothing to do with the incident and punish them for someone that someone else did?Fundamentals? So when violence happens to you and you respond with more violence, does that not lead to more violence? any riot itself for this situation is highly hypocritical. Youre gonna protest violence with violence. Lol
Secondly, the court judged it as involuntary manslaughter, No matter what anyone says, that is the outcome, hate crime or not, that is the charge, if it appeals as a hatecrime then this statement can be taken back. So they will riot over a involuntary manslaughter
(by youre i mean the people rioting and not directed twoard you but maybe your post)
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The looting seems really unnecessary -_-. I'd imagine they would riot/make a public outcry because of an injustice not to steal goods. Hope you're safe buddy.
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