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On May 03 2023 22:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I would think this would have the opposite effect if Ukraine can easily "attack" a major city without being detected. One would wonder why they are fighting in Ukraine if they can do that and we have no way to stop it. Because you have to defend glorious mother Russia and come together to fight these evil nazi's.
Remember, the enemy is both weak (we are so much better) and strong (they are dangerous and we should band together to stop them)
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I wonder if this was done to justify something in response...
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Ukraine said they can hit the Red Square during the Victory Day. Perhaps this was them showing that they indeed can. If they can disrupt the celebrations, that would be quite significant. Nothing says "everything's going according to the plan" better than cowering from a credible threat from your enemy on your nation's most important holiday.
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What a bizarre video and story. The drone is zooming by very fast so its trajectory/behavior shouldn't have been predictable yet there's 2 people expecting it (?) on that specific dome?
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On May 04 2023 02:16 Dan HH wrote:
What a bizarre video and story. The drone is zooming by very fast so its trajectory/behavior shouldn't have been predictable yet there's 2 people expecting it (?) on that specific dome?
Or you had 50 people film all sorts of roofs and angles but naturally you don't get to see their vids because nothing happens.
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On May 04 2023 02:32 Artesimo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2023 02:16 Dan HH wrote:
What a bizarre video and story. The drone is zooming by very fast so its trajectory/behavior shouldn't have been predictable yet there's 2 people expecting it (?) on that specific dome? Or you had 50 people film all sorts of roofs and angles but naturally you don't get to see their vids because nothing happens.
I'm not talking about people filming the dome, I'm talking about the people on the side of the dome itself.
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On May 04 2023 02:44 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2023 02:32 Artesimo wrote:On May 04 2023 02:16 Dan HH wrote:
What a bizarre video and story. The drone is zooming by very fast so its trajectory/behavior shouldn't have been predictable yet there's 2 people expecting it (?) on that specific dome? Or you had 50 people film all sorts of roofs and angles but naturally you don't get to see their vids because nothing happens. I'm not talking about people filming the dome, I'm talking about the people on the side of the dome itself.
Well same story right? There could be dudes near all the roofs, but you don't get to see them because nothing is happening there. And since there is nothing happening there, they are also not called to get up there because we have some object approaching. Its even hard to say if the guys do anything other than "oh shit, drone" and duck from the resolution. From the pixelated mess I could just as much see them being called to get up there because some flying object is approaching from [direction] and then some kind of air defence takes it out right after they spot it and move back, giving both of them a good shocker.
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On May 04 2023 02:56 Artesimo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2023 02:44 Dan HH wrote:On May 04 2023 02:32 Artesimo wrote:On May 04 2023 02:16 Dan HH wrote:
What a bizarre video and story. The drone is zooming by very fast so its trajectory/behavior shouldn't have been predictable yet there's 2 people expecting it (?) on that specific dome? Or you had 50 people film all sorts of roofs and angles but naturally you don't get to see their vids because nothing happens. I'm not talking about people filming the dome, I'm talking about the people on the side of the dome itself. Well same story right? There could be dudes near all the roofs, but you don't get to see them because nothing is happening there. And since there is nothing happening there, they are also not called to get up there because we have some object approaching. Its even hard to say if the guys do anything other than "oh shit, drone" and duck from the resolution. From the pixelated mess I could just as much see them being called to get up there because some flying object is approaching from [direction] and then some kind of air defence takes it out right after they spot it and move back, giving both of them a good shocker.
You're probably right, Occam's razor and all. Maybe that's the 2nd of the drones which would have given those dudes enough time and reason to get in that position despite its speed.
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I think its worse If it really was a drone attack that managed to make its way to the kremlin itself like its much worse that your air defence is so bad that you can't stop drones until they make it to the place they think Putin is suppose to be.
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On May 04 2023 10:01 Sermokala wrote:
I think its worse If it really was a drone attack that managed to make its way to the kremlin itself like its much worse that your air defence is so bad that you can't stop drones until they make it to the place they think Putin is suppose to be.
It looked like a small drone that would be launched from a couple km away at most, potentially just a couple blocks over. If that was the case, then there is absolutely 0 conclusions to draw from this in regards to their air defence. Apart from that it looks like some kind of air defence around the kremlin took it out immediately (explosion seems to happen while its in the air, a couple of meters away from any building). It looks bad for propaganda purposes I agree, but from what we know at the moment it at most tells us that the air defences around the kremlin are working. Even the fact that its possible some ukrainian elements made it into russia to launch a drone near the kremlin is hardly a big own without further information given how long the war has been going and the long russian border just with ukraine.
This is nothing like when ukraine supposedly used their tu-141s to strike deep within russian territory from outside russia.
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Head of Wagner blaming the Russian army for the very heavy casualties his forces are suffering.
NSFW.
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I wonder who would get excited to join wagner now and be sent to bakhmut, can't be that many
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65493008
BBC are reporting on the same Prigozhin story.
The article seems to be implying that Wagner will withdraw from Bakhmut on the 10th of May if they don't receive the requested support. That might just be an idle threat.
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I am amazed There are dead bodies and somebody took the fucking time to censor de bad words. Fucking priorities.
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Prigozhin supported murdering his own troops with a sledgehammer but now surely cares about them being fathers and sons suddenly.
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Is there a sensible interpretation of whats going on with Wagner out there?
For me from the outside this looks like Prigozhin's star is fading and he is trying to shift the blame for his failure to deliver Bakhmut on the MoD. Which seems very simplistic, but it could just be that of course.
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On May 05 2023 21:44 zatic wrote:
Is there a sensible interpretation of whats going on with Wagner out there?
For me from the outside this looks like Prigozhin's star is fading and he is trying to shift the blame for his failure to deliver Bakhmut on the MoD. Which seems very simplistic, but it could just be that of course.
The whole Russian culture revolves around never accepting blame for your own failures. You are interpreting the situation correctly. I don't think it'll be long before he has a fall out of a window
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On May 05 2023 21:44 zatic wrote:
Is there a sensible interpretation of whats going on with Wagner out there?
For me from the outside this looks like Prigozhin's star is fading and he is trying to shift the blame for his failure to deliver Bakhmut on the MoD. Which seems very simplistic, but it could just be that of course.
He wants more ammo. Russian MoD doesn't have enough ammunition for their own army (remember the stories about the failed Vuhledar offensive where the attacks weren't preceded with sufficient artillery barrage?) and they don't want to give Progozhin the excessive amounts he requests. It's also possible they're constantly sabotaging him because he's clealry not someone you want to work with.
I don't think he's trying to shift the blame. Russia controls most of Bakhmut now. He's asking for more reasources and tries to justify that by painting himself as the only man capable of getting things done, if he's allowed to. The people at the MoD, he's making them look like corrupt careerists who are fine with Russians dying as long as it benefits their political games.
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