EPTThere was a very telling response posted on twitter.
For now it's just a repeat of the 2008 promise.
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pmp10
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There was a very telling response posted on twitter. For now it's just a repeat of the 2008 promise. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8087 Posts
On April 22 2023 14:02 pmp10 wrote: The key word in the statement being 'eventually'. There was a very telling response posted on twitter. https://twitter.com/PM_ViktorOrban/status/1649364183538974720 For now it's just a repeat of the 2008 promise. The keyword "eventually" is because they can't join whilst in the middle of a war. Russian Nuclear threat aside, that's a rule NATO has as well. This is basically a "You can join when the war is over" promise. Remember, NATO wasn't against Ukraine joining pre-crimea either. It was Ukraine themselves who pulled out. Hungary being Hungary is nothing new. As with the acceptance of Finland and Sweden, it's just a political game of "How can I be the most annoying?" before they eventually cave. It's just going through the motions at this point | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5572 Posts
On April 22 2023 14:02 pmp10 wrote: The key word in the statement being 'eventually'. There was a very telling response posted on twitter. https://twitter.com/PM_ViktorOrban/status/1649364183538974720 For now it's just a repeat of the 2008 promise. Maybe they're also planning to kick out Hungary and Orban just didn't get the memo. xD | ||
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Artesimo
Germany546 Posts
On April 22 2023 15:28 Excludos wrote: The keyword "eventually" is because they can't join whilst in the middle of a war. Russian Nuclear threat aside, that's a rule NATO has as well. This is basically a "You can join when the war is over" promise. You forgot the territorial dispute clause as well. Unless the war ends with ukraine taking back all of their territory, to join nato they would be forced to rescind any claims to territory still occupied by russia. Its a nice statement, but I am with pmp10 here, I think its way too soon to read too much into it. For now its just a statement, and not a very binding statement at that. If he had said ukraine would join as soon as the war ends, that would have been a strong statement, but that is probably not possible, and instead the whole formality and voting process will have to take place after the war ends. Its good for morale and PR though. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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JimmiC
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zatic
Zurich15329 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5572 Posts
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Magic Powers
Austria4156 Posts
It's high time for the offensive to take place. Rumors are that it's slowly building up, but nothing confirmed. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8087 Posts
On April 24 2023 05:14 Magic Powers wrote: It's high time for the offensive to take place. Rumors are that it's slowly building up, but nothing confirmed. I don't have first account insight into Ukraine of course, but if we're to believe the video that was shared a few days ago, the counter offensive have already begun On April 20 2023 20:43 2Pacalypse- wrote: The Ukranian counter-offensive has officially started: | ||
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Silvanel
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Manit0u
Poland17270 Posts
On April 24 2023 21:34 Silvanel wrote: I havent seen any other source back it up. My regular sources which provide daily reports from war dont mention any increase in fighting outside of Bachmut area. It seems that Ukrainians have crossed the Dnieper and are establishing forward positions there. Estonian DM claims that the counter-offensive will begin in earnest in about a month when the soil is more stable. Right now it's just too wet and muddy making it hard to advance. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6933 Posts
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/26/chinese-president-xi-jinping-to-send-peace-talks-delegation-to-ukraine Xi Jinping to send Chinese peace talks delegation to Ukraine In phone call with Zelenskiy, Xi appears to pledge China will stay neutral in war, according to Chinese state media | ||
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0x64
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KwarK
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Ardias
Russian Federation610 Posts
On April 27 2023 21:24 0x64 wrote: Ardias still alive? Yes, and okay. Reading this thread ocassionally to keep up with Western perspective of things, but don't see a point in entering the conversation anymore. | ||
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zatic
Zurich15329 Posts
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aseq
Netherlands3978 Posts
On April 27 2023 22:11 Ardias wrote: Yes, and okay. Reading this thread ocassionally to keep up with Western perspective of things, but don't see a point in entering the conversation anymore. Please don't shy away from giving your own opinion on the state of things from your perspective occasionally. I, for one, am very interested in the point of view from a logical, well-thinking, non-western observer. Tnx! | ||
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_fool
Netherlands678 Posts
On April 28 2023 03:07 aseq wrote: Please don't shy away from giving your own opinion on the state of things from your perspective occasionally. I, for one, am very interested in the point of view from a logical, well-thinking, non-western observer. Tnx! I second that! People from different nationalities sharing information/perspectives about the war is the reason I keep returning to this thread. We all consume news sources that are biased/filtered in some way, and this thread is a welcome addition to that. Ardias, I can understand that explaining the Russian perspective is an ungrateful job. It's bound to trigger a lot of knee-jerk reactions. Just know that you sharing the Russian perspective is very much appreciated. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
https://warontherocks.com/2023/04/the-calm-before-the-storm-waiting-for-ukraines-offensive/ Cavoli stated that Ukraine and its Western allies calculated how much equipment Kyiv would require for the counteroffensive, after which Ukraine's partners began supplying it. The general said that over 98% of the promised combat vehicles had already arrived in Ukraine, and also acknowledged the "generosity" of allies in supplying tanks and armored combat vehicles. "I am absolutely confident that we have delivered the material they need, and we will continue to work to support their operations," said Cavoli. According to Cavoli, the results of simulated wargames, conducted jointly with the Ukrainians, indicate that Kyiv’s forces are "in a good position" for a successful counteroffensive against Russian troops occupying Ukrainian territory. On April 21st, the 11th meeting of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group took place at the U.S. Air Force Ramstein base in Germany. U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin announced the participants had agreed to intensify supplies of air defense systems and ammunition to Ukraine. The head of the Pentagon also reported that over the past several months, Ukraine’s partners have transferred over 230 tanks and more than 1,550 armored vehicles, considerably bolstering Kyiv’s ability to counter Russian aggression. Source | ||
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