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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
December 20 2018 19:13 GMT
#19901
lol people already left washington and he thinks he's gonna get some other bill to sign? I love this so much
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22085 Posts
December 20 2018 19:16 GMT
#19902
The Democrats have 0 reason to cave on this. They have their soundbite. Its passed Congress. Trump shut down the government over Christmas.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14103 Posts
December 20 2018 19:36 GMT
#19903
At this point I think I'd make a better president then trump.

And I think I'd be terrible at it.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9636 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-20 19:56:58
December 20 2018 19:37 GMT
#19904
a monkey throwing shit at the options presented to him by trumps own advisors would be a better president.

i won’t believe trump would veto the CR until it happens. this’ll just be his last effort to get what he wants before he realizes he just can’t win this game of chicken. if he shuts down the government he still can’t get his wall funded before the new year. and the house will be full on obstructionist by then no doubt.

i can’t see a single upside to this. Congress will be thrilled i’m sure.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18846 Posts
December 20 2018 19:39 GMT
#19905
I just love how Trump has literally done everything he can to make sure that there is no mistaking who owns this shutdown.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 20 2018 19:53 GMT
#19906
Trump continues to be under the delusion this hard line immigration stance is a winning issue for him. People like Miller have been spoon feeding that to him since he won the election. He is convinced this is a winning move right now and this makes him look strong.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4383 Posts
December 20 2018 21:00 GMT
#19907
On December 20 2018 14:22 Sermokala wrote:


Assad is never going to invite the rebels back to syria. Those refugees are never going back to syria. At best Trump has made the syrian civil war an low-intensity (insert african failed state here).

50,000 already returned from Lebanon this year and the rate is accelerating.As conditions improve in Syria more will return.The Syrian government ordered foreign troops to leave.So unless you want to remove Assad and turn Syria into another Libya you have no choice.People who are saying it’s a win for Russia, did you support keeping the Vietnam war going too?...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 20 2018 21:01 GMT
#19908
On December 21 2018 06:00 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2018 14:22 Sermokala wrote:


Assad is never going to invite the rebels back to syria. Those refugees are never going back to syria. At best Trump has made the syrian civil war an low-intensity (insert african failed state here).

50,000 already returned from Lebanon this year and the rate is accelerating.As conditions improve in Syria more will return.The Syrian government ordered foreign troops to leave.So unless you want to remove Assad and turn Syria into another Libya you have no choice.People who are saying it’s a win for Russia, did you support keeping the Vietnam war going too?...

You do know that no one in this thread was alive during the Vietnam war, right?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
December 20 2018 22:08 GMT
#19909
On December 21 2018 04:53 Plansix wrote:
Trump continues to be under the delusion this hard line immigration stance is a winning issue for him. People like Miller have been spoon feeding that to him since he won the election. He is convinced this is a winning move right now and this makes him look strong.


In fairness, you've seen in the other thread that our Conservatives believe the same thing. It might well be that Conservatives in America in general think it's a winning issue.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-20 22:41:13
December 20 2018 22:20 GMT
#19910
On December 21 2018 07:08 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2018 04:53 Plansix wrote:
Trump continues to be under the delusion this hard line immigration stance is a winning issue for him. People like Miller have been spoon feeding that to him since he won the election. He is convinced this is a winning move right now and this makes him look strong.


In fairness, you've seen in the other thread that our Conservatives believe the same thing. It might well be that Conservatives in America in general think it's a winning issue.

It is like they attempting to push through the Big Lie to the rest of the voting public. That if they say Americans care about this issue more than anything, it will magically become true. Since 2016 they have pushed this narrative for themselves. It sort of this delusion that if they push the issue for long enough, people will just agree out of attrition. I’m sure they will convince themselves all the way through to 2020 and run on hard line immigration stances again. It is the voodoo economics of immigration reform.

Edit:

Mattis has resigned over the President pulling out of Syria without consulting him or congress. I guess Trump is going to have to find another Defense Secretary that agrees with Trump's plans to screw over our allies.

In a hard copy of Mattis' resignation letter acquired by CBS News' David Martin, the defense secretary said he is stepping down because of the differences in viewpoints with Mr. Trump.

"Because you have the right to have a Secretary of Defense whose views are better aligned with yours on these and other subjects, I believe it is right for me to step down from my position," Mattis wrote.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/james-mattis-retiring-as-defense-secretary/

I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-20 22:41:06
December 20 2018 22:38 GMT
#19911
Mattis out.

Resignation letter. There's a lot of subtext there suggesting Mattis was forced out.

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-20 22:43:56
December 20 2018 22:39 GMT
#19912
Was going to say. Did take longer than i expected.

edit: Subtext? The last two paragraphs on the fist picture basically spell it out.
On track to MA1950A.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-20 22:48:36
December 20 2018 22:46 GMT
#19913
Mark Meadows is saying that Government workers understand they might have to work without pay and that is part of the job. He feels bad, but not so bad that he won't push for a shut down in the lame duck session. Mind you, the Obama admin let people go home during the goverment shut down, rather than force them to work without pay. Trump's plan is to make everyone but congress pay for his fuck up.

All Americans wanted was a stress free holiday, but apparently its all crisis all the time.

Edit: My brother better not get called up by this piece of shit. Mattis was the one thing that gave me hope we would be thrown into some stupid conflict planned by this dumbass.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9025 Posts
December 20 2018 22:47 GMT
#19914
I told y'all. Mattis is no fool and he wasn't going to play trump's games. As soon as this happened it was a matter of time. Mattis is by and far, military first. And this move put his people in danger. Trump is gonna quit this gig before end of next year.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
December 20 2018 22:49 GMT
#19915
That whole letter is a pretty big fuck you to Trump.

Time to update the Trump Administration departure charts. Here's to hoping the replacement isn't a crazy yes-man.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
December 20 2018 22:53 GMT
#19916
Another one of the military adults in the room leaves the building. I've read that a great deal of the military were on board with the administration because of their universal admiration for Mattis, but if he's gone, I wonder how it will affect the perceptions now. As with every other resignation or firing, this sets the room for a loyalist who won't question decisions.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 20 2018 22:56 GMT
#19917
Mattis has the unique privilege of being the only member of the Administration to resign in protest. I'm shocked it took two years, but everyone else kinda sucked.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43565 Posts
December 20 2018 23:00 GMT
#19918
Yep. That resignation letter essentially reads “you’re wrong, you’re fucking our allies, you’re aiding Russia, and I won’t be a part of it”. I wonder how long it’ll take for Mattis to be flamed on Twitter.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22085 Posts
December 20 2018 23:03 GMT
#19919
On December 21 2018 08:00 KwarK wrote:
Yep. That resignation letter essentially reads “you’re wrong, you’re fucking our allies, you’re aiding Russia, and I won’t be a part of it”. I wonder how long it’ll take for Mattis to be flamed on Twitter.
Strangely enough Trump actually made a 'thank you for your service' tweet.
Don't expect Mattis to go on a press tour to bad mouth Trump so it might just end here.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
December 20 2018 23:03 GMT
#19920
I retract my take that Donald is full of shit on the Syrian pullout. With Mattis resigning in protest we should be seeing Donald host Assad, Putin, MBS, and Erdoğan at Mar A Lago pretty soon. We are going to start getting the real Donald now, the one in the Tweets, not the one that mysteriously fails to follow through on all those Tweets.

But this does reaffirm my "harder than he thinks" take on pulling out of Syria. The soldier class is going to resist (mass resignations?) leaving our Kurdish allies to get massacred.
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