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On October 07 2018 08:15 Emnjay808 wrote:
Can someone tldr me what’s happening to Professor Ford? Surely she will be held accountable for these accusations. BK and his family now has to live with this.
If someone accused my dad of rape and their only proof was that they went to the same college. I would call for their fucking head.
You would call for their fucking head? Are you okay? Your sentence doesn't even imply that the hypothetical person is lying.
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On October 07 2018 08:23 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2018 08:15 Emnjay808 wrote:
Can someone tldr me what’s happening to Professor Ford? Surely she will be held accountable for these accusations. BK and his family now has to live with this.
If someone accused my dad of rape and their only proof was that they went to the same college. I would call for their fucking head. You would call for their fucking head? Are you okay? Your sentence doesn't even imply that the hypothetical person is lying.
Actually, the implication is that his dad is obviously innocent.
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On October 07 2018 08:25 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2018 08:23 Nebuchad wrote:On October 07 2018 08:15 Emnjay808 wrote:
Can someone tldr me what’s happening to Professor Ford? Surely she will be held accountable for these accusations. BK and his family now has to live with this.
If someone accused my dad of rape and their only proof was that they went to the same college. I would call for their fucking head. You would call for their fucking head? Are you okay? Your sentence doesn't even imply that the hypothetical person is lying. Actually, the implication is that his dad is obviously innocent.
My dad is guilty or innocent. What other implication would I choose, given that all the accuser can prove is that they went to the same school?
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Nothing will happen to Ford. Just like nothing happens to people who pick the wrong person in a line up. No one doubts she was sexual assaulted, they just doubt Kavanaugh did it.
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On October 07 2018 08:29 Emnjay808 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2018 08:25 Introvert wrote:On October 07 2018 08:23 Nebuchad wrote:On October 07 2018 08:15 Emnjay808 wrote:
Can someone tldr me what’s happening to Professor Ford? Surely she will be held accountable for these accusations. BK and his family now has to live with this.
If someone accused my dad of rape and their only proof was that they went to the same college. I would call for their fucking head. You would call for their fucking head? Are you okay? Your sentence doesn't even imply that the hypothetical person is lying. Actually, the implication is that his dad is obviously innocent. My dad is guilty or innocent. What other implication would I choose, given that all the accuser can prove is that they went to the same school?
The issue with your question should be pretty obvious but I'll spell it out for you:
A lack of evidence of Kavanaugh's guilt does not prove that Ford was lying. Her testimony remains credible, and the FBI investigation didn't turn over a lot of stones that she specifically asked them to (she named multiple witnesses she claims can corroborate her claims that were never interviewed).
So... nothing's going to happen to her, without a proper investigation that could determine she was a political actor who lied. That investigation isn't going to happen because the truth is THE LAST thing the Republicans want.
But don't worry, I'm sure she'll continue to receive death threats for years, your thirst for vengeance will not go unslaked.
And as Plansix said, nobody was doubting that she was attacked in the first place. If she mis-named Brett, that's a different matter, but she went on record with a therapist six years ago saying it was him so... faulty memory or no, she genuinely believes it was him. As Mr. Kavanaugh himself has aptly demonstrated, a faulty memory is no crime.
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Next leader of the HJC, if the Dems take it back, still claiming they will fully investigate both perjury and the assault allegations against Justice Duffman. I'm not confident that will be followed up on, but the fact it is even a consideration is extraordinary. It would definitely energize both sides going into 2020.
@Introvert, ill look over your response tomorrow.
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On October 07 2018 08:46 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2018 08:29 Emnjay808 wrote:On October 07 2018 08:25 Introvert wrote:On October 07 2018 08:23 Nebuchad wrote:On October 07 2018 08:15 Emnjay808 wrote:
Can someone tldr me what’s happening to Professor Ford? Surely she will be held accountable for these accusations. BK and his family now has to live with this.
If someone accused my dad of rape and their only proof was that they went to the same college. I would call for their fucking head. You would call for their fucking head? Are you okay? Your sentence doesn't even imply that the hypothetical person is lying. Actually, the implication is that his dad is obviously innocent. My dad is guilty or innocent. What other implication would I choose, given that all the accuser can prove is that they went to the same school? The issue with your question should be pretty obvious but I'll spell it out for you: A lack of evidence of Kavanaugh's guilt does not prove that Ford was lying. Her testimony remains credible, and the FBI investigation didn't turn over a lot of stones that she specifically asked them to (she named multiple witnesses she claims can corroborate her claims that were never interviewed). So... nothing's going to happen to her, without a proper investigation that could determine she was a political actor who lied. That investigation isn't going to happen because the truth is THE LAST thing the Republicans want. But don't worry, I'm sure she'll continue to receive death threats for years, your thirst for vengeance will not go unslaked. And as Plansix said, nobody was doubting that she was attacked in the first place. If she mis-named Brett, that's a different matter, but she went on record with a therapist six years ago saying it was him so... faulty memory or no, she genuinely believes it was him. As Mr. Kavanaugh himself has aptly demonstrated, a faulty memory is no crime.
Kind of important factual correction. She did not him name in in the therapists notes, in fact the notes don't match the story she told in the letter (she blames the therapist). She says she told her husband in 2012. I don't believe she used his name again until 2016 or later.
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The official Republican party spin on Dr. Ford is that it was mistaken identity. This is based on purely motivated reasoning. There is no evidence to support his. The guy who made up this bogus accusation withdrew it (Whelan). Here is Trump making it official:
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On October 07 2018 08:43 Plansix wrote:
Nothing will happen to Ford. Just like nothing happens to people who pick the wrong person in a line up. No one doubts she was sexual assaulted, they just doubt Kavanaugh did it.
I'd like to clarify that "nothing" in this case means "She is going to regularly receive death threats to herself and her family, and whatever else nastiness the right-wing sewer part of the internet can come up with to punish a women who dared to speak up against one of their leaders, which will produce a lot of hardship for her for the next decade or so."
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On October 07 2018 08:46 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2018 08:29 Emnjay808 wrote:On October 07 2018 08:25 Introvert wrote:On October 07 2018 08:23 Nebuchad wrote:On October 07 2018 08:15 Emnjay808 wrote:
Can someone tldr me what’s happening to Professor Ford? Surely she will be held accountable for these accusations. BK and his family now has to live with this.
If someone accused my dad of rape and their only proof was that they went to the same college. I would call for their fucking head. You would call for their fucking head? Are you okay? Your sentence doesn't even imply that the hypothetical person is lying. Actually, the implication is that his dad is obviously innocent. My dad is guilty or innocent. What other implication would I choose, given that all the accuser can prove is that they went to the same school? The issue with your question should be pretty obvious but I'll spell it out for you: A lack of evidence of Kavanaugh's guilt does not prove that Ford was lying. Her testimony remains credible, and the FBI investigation didn't turn over a lot of stones that she specifically asked them to (she named multiple witnesses she claims can corroborate her claims that were never interviewed). So... nothing's going to happen to her, without a proper investigation that could determine she was a political actor who lied. That investigation isn't going to happen because the truth is THE LAST thing the Republicans want. But don't worry, I'm sure she'll continue to receive death threats for years, your thirst for vengeance will not go unslaked. And as Plansix said, nobody was doubting that she was attacked in the first place. If she mis-named Brett, that's a different matter, but she went on record with a therapist six years ago saying it was him so... faulty memory or no, she genuinely believes it was him. As Mr. Kavanaugh himself has aptly demonstrated, a faulty memory is no crime.
thank you. this provided a lot of clarity for someone who only researched the surface of this.
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On October 07 2018 08:25 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2018 08:23 Nebuchad wrote:On October 07 2018 08:15 Emnjay808 wrote:
Can someone tldr me what’s happening to Professor Ford? Surely she will be held accountable for these accusations. BK and his family now has to live with this.
If someone accused my dad of rape and their only proof was that they went to the same college. I would call for their fucking head. You would call for their fucking head? Are you okay? Your sentence doesn't even imply that the hypothetical person is lying. Actually, the implication is that his dad is obviously innocent.
Yeah, could have worded that better, I'm sure you get the point though? As written the question of his innocence doesn't even matter, the lack of proof is enough.
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On October 07 2018 09:05 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2018 08:43 Plansix wrote:
Nothing will happen to Ford. Just like nothing happens to people who pick the wrong person in a line up. No one doubts she was sexual assaulted, they just doubt Kavanaugh did it. I'd like to clarify that "nothing" in this case means "She is going to regularly receive death threats to herself and her family, and whatever else nastiness the right and left-wing sewer part of the internet can come up with to punish a women who dared to speak up against one of their leaders, which will produce a lot of hardship for her for the next decade or so."
Please don't act like this is a one sided thing after what happened to Rand Paul. We cannot condone either sides for the violence. I fixed your quote in my post to be more fair.
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Except that the left-wing sewer has no problem with her, the right-wing sewer does. So this "Both sides have bad people" doesn't really matter here.
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On October 07 2018 09:05 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2018 08:43 Plansix wrote:
Nothing will happen to Ford. Just like nothing happens to people who pick the wrong person in a line up. No one doubts she was sexual assaulted, they just doubt Kavanaugh did it. I'd like to clarify that "nothing" in this case means "She is going to regularly receive death threats to herself and her family, and whatever else nastiness the right-wing sewer part of the internet can come up with to punish a women who dared to speak up against one of their leaders, which will produce a lot of hardship for her for the next decade or so."
Maybe she can just move to a foreign country and live off the $568,871 she received in GofundMe donations?
Honestly i think she will be forgotten pretty quickly now.
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On October 07 2018 09:55 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2018 09:05 Simberto wrote:On October 07 2018 08:43 Plansix wrote:
Nothing will happen to Ford. Just like nothing happens to people who pick the wrong person in a line up. No one doubts she was sexual assaulted, they just doubt Kavanaugh did it. I'd like to clarify that "nothing" in this case means "She is going to regularly receive death threats to herself and her family, and whatever else nastiness the right-wing sewer part of the internet can come up with to punish a women who dared to speak up against one of their leaders, which will produce a lot of hardship for her for the next decade or so." Maybe she can just move to a foreign country and live off the $568,871 she received in GofundMe donations? Honestly i think she will be forgotten pretty quickly now.
Just like Anita Hill has been forgotten. /s
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On October 07 2018 10:06 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2018 09:55 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On October 07 2018 09:05 Simberto wrote:On October 07 2018 08:43 Plansix wrote:
Nothing will happen to Ford. Just like nothing happens to people who pick the wrong person in a line up. No one doubts she was sexual assaulted, they just doubt Kavanaugh did it. I'd like to clarify that "nothing" in this case means "She is going to regularly receive death threats to herself and her family, and whatever else nastiness the right-wing sewer part of the internet can come up with to punish a women who dared to speak up against one of their leaders, which will produce a lot of hardship for her for the next decade or so." Maybe she can just move to a foreign country and live off the $568,871 she received in GofundMe donations? Honestly i think she will be forgotten pretty quickly now. Just like Anita Hill has been forgotten. /s
I'd be more worried about the safety of Susan Collins tbh.
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On October 07 2018 08:51 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2018 08:46 iamthedave wrote:On October 07 2018 08:29 Emnjay808 wrote:On October 07 2018 08:25 Introvert wrote:On October 07 2018 08:23 Nebuchad wrote:On October 07 2018 08:15 Emnjay808 wrote:
Can someone tldr me what’s happening to Professor Ford? Surely she will be held accountable for these accusations. BK and his family now has to live with this.
If someone accused my dad of rape and their only proof was that they went to the same college. I would call for their fucking head. You would call for their fucking head? Are you okay? Your sentence doesn't even imply that the hypothetical person is lying. Actually, the implication is that his dad is obviously innocent. My dad is guilty or innocent. What other implication would I choose, given that all the accuser can prove is that they went to the same school? The issue with your question should be pretty obvious but I'll spell it out for you: A lack of evidence of Kavanaugh's guilt does not prove that Ford was lying. Her testimony remains credible, and the FBI investigation didn't turn over a lot of stones that she specifically asked them to (she named multiple witnesses she claims can corroborate her claims that were never interviewed). So... nothing's going to happen to her, without a proper investigation that could determine she was a political actor who lied. That investigation isn't going to happen because the truth is THE LAST thing the Republicans want. But don't worry, I'm sure she'll continue to receive death threats for years, your thirst for vengeance will not go unslaked. And as Plansix said, nobody was doubting that she was attacked in the first place. If she mis-named Brett, that's a different matter, but she went on record with a therapist six years ago saying it was him so... faulty memory or no, she genuinely believes it was him. As Mr. Kavanaugh himself has aptly demonstrated, a faulty memory is no crime. Kind of important factual correction. She did not him name in in the therapists notes, in fact the notes don't match the story she told in the letter (she blames the therapist). She says she told her husband in 2012. I don't believe she used his name again until 2016 or later.
Fair point. Nonetheless, it seems obvious she genuinely believes it was him, they did go to the same place so she may well have been familiar with him, it's obvious he was active in the party scene so they likewise were probably vaguely acquainted.
There's more than enough there to explain why she might be mistaken (maybe her actual attacker just happened to look a lot like Kavanaugh way back then, for example).
And even if that doesn't convince you personally, the only way to get to the bottom of it is a full FBI investigation that the GOP is absolutely not going to request just in case it turns over some stones on Kavanaugh that flip the whole thing around, which is still a possibility, and honestly far more likely than discovering that Ford was paid by big money Democrat donors (even if you are generous and put the chances of that at less than 10%, it's still less likely that it turns out the whole thing was a Democrat hit job)..
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On October 07 2018 10:34 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2018 08:51 Introvert wrote:On October 07 2018 08:46 iamthedave wrote:On October 07 2018 08:29 Emnjay808 wrote:On October 07 2018 08:25 Introvert wrote:On October 07 2018 08:23 Nebuchad wrote:On October 07 2018 08:15 Emnjay808 wrote:
Can someone tldr me what’s happening to Professor Ford? Surely she will be held accountable for these accusations. BK and his family now has to live with this.
If someone accused my dad of rape and their only proof was that they went to the same college. I would call for their fucking head. You would call for their fucking head? Are you okay? Your sentence doesn't even imply that the hypothetical person is lying. Actually, the implication is that his dad is obviously innocent. My dad is guilty or innocent. What other implication would I choose, given that all the accuser can prove is that they went to the same school? The issue with your question should be pretty obvious but I'll spell it out for you: A lack of evidence of Kavanaugh's guilt does not prove that Ford was lying. Her testimony remains credible, and the FBI investigation didn't turn over a lot of stones that she specifically asked them to (she named multiple witnesses she claims can corroborate her claims that were never interviewed). So... nothing's going to happen to her, without a proper investigation that could determine she was a political actor who lied. That investigation isn't going to happen because the truth is THE LAST thing the Republicans want. But don't worry, I'm sure she'll continue to receive death threats for years, your thirst for vengeance will not go unslaked. And as Plansix said, nobody was doubting that she was attacked in the first place. If she mis-named Brett, that's a different matter, but she went on record with a therapist six years ago saying it was him so... faulty memory or no, she genuinely believes it was him. As Mr. Kavanaugh himself has aptly demonstrated, a faulty memory is no crime. Kind of important factual correction. She did not him name in in the therapists notes, in fact the notes don't match the story she told in the letter (she blames the therapist). She says she told her husband in 2012. I don't believe she used his name again until 2016 or later. Fair point. Nonetheless, it seems obvious she genuinely believes it was him, they did go to the same place so she may well have been familiar with him, it's obvious he was active in the party scene so they likewise were probably vaguely acquainted. There's more than enough there to explain why she might be mistaken (maybe her actual attacker just happened to look a lot like Kavanaugh way back then, for example). And even if that doesn't convince you personally, the only way to get to the bottom of it is a full FBI investigation that the GOP is absolutely not going to request just in case it turns over some stones on Kavanaugh that flip the whole thing around, which is still a possibility, and honestly far more likely than discovering that Ford was paid by big money Democrat donors (even if you are generous and put the chances of that at less than 10%, it's still less likely that it turns out the whole thing was a Democrat hit job)..
I only plan to say this a few more times, but she named everyone she thought was there. No one remembers it. That's all there is. The one date on the calendar that everyone was obsessed with isn't even right by her own admission (and they talked to those people). There is no one left to talk to.
edit: and I think Ford did herself no good by accepting Feinstein's recommendation for a lawyer, a person well known in Democrat partisan circles.
why should the FBI go further. If there was a tantilizing lead from somewhere, we would have heard about it from people who read the report. Given the speed at which Democrats dumped the contents entirely (over 1000 pages) it seems like that the report they did do revealed nothing, not even more leads.
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On October 07 2018 08:15 Emnjay808 wrote:
Can someone tldr me what’s happening to Professor Ford? Surely she will be held accountable for these accusations. BK and his family now has to live with this.
If someone accused my dad of rape and their only proof was that they went to the same college. I would call for their fucking head.
She did nothing wrong.
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