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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-05 18:31:25
October 05 2018 18:31 GMT
#16241
I legitimately believe from an election standpoint, voting against Kavanaugh is the right move for Collins
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 05 2018 18:32 GMT
#16242
unless she's not running for re election, and is aiming for a cushy thinktank gig.
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iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
October 05 2018 18:33 GMT
#16243
I really see the hope... but I think you should expect him to be confirmed in the end. A lot of this seems to me like the usual attempt to look conscientious before voting lockstep with party like usual.

Murkowski's the one exception. Isn't the Kavanaugh issue really one-way in Alaska and they all hate it? I think I saw a link to something about it many, many pages back. If that's the case she'd be dumb to vote yes for him unless she genuinely believes he's a-ok.
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
October 05 2018 18:41 GMT
#16244
On October 06 2018 03:31 Mohdoo wrote:
I legitimately believe from an election standpoint, voting against Kavanaugh is the right move for Collins


Similarly one can argue that her and Manchin voting yes would be much better for the Democrats politically. I'm torn... on one hand I dont want Duffman on SCOTUS, but on the other hand I want to maximize the chances of a blue wave this Nov and increase court awareness for Dems in general going forward. I suppose I'll be content either way.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
October 05 2018 18:45 GMT
#16245
Gotta find the silver lining one way or another, particular as someone who has to deal with the legal system professionally
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
October 05 2018 18:46 GMT
#16246
On October 06 2018 02:53 Mercy13 wrote:
Apologies for posting two depressing articles in a day, but this article sums up the fears of liberals, including myself, super accurately. It's by Christopher R. Browning, a leading historian on the holocaust. He compares several qualities of the current state of our republic with interwar Germany. The similarities are chilling.

Conservatives - if you want to understand why we're all flipping out about B-Kav read this.

The Suffocation of American Democracy


Interesting article.
giftdgecko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2126 Posts
October 05 2018 18:47 GMT
#16247
On October 06 2018 02:53 On_Slaught wrote:
Manchin is probably praying Collins is a yes to give him cover. Looks like Collins is getting a fuckton of pressure from both sides, including from her home state constituents and newspapers. I think she genuinely wants to vote no but there are just so many political considerations she has to take into account.

I live in maine, she honestly may have already lost the reelection because the dems I know who have voted for her are tired of her and the repubs I know are tired of her not falling in line. Her appearance as a centrist, almost independent of party is the reason she did well here. No one has the patience for that anymore.
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
October 05 2018 18:48 GMT
#16248
Yeah, all the godwin rule nonsense has prevented any serious analysis of 1920-1928 Germany. That is the time we should be worried about, not 1938. The Nazis didn't come from nowhere and they won one big election. The time to prevent their rise was before that big election.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-05 19:14:57
October 05 2018 19:10 GMT
#16249
Collins sure sounds like a yes. Just say yes already. My lunch is almost over.

Edit:Unless ofc she is building up to a huge BUT... lol. One can dream.

Edit2: Yeah, no. She's voting yes.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
October 05 2018 19:10 GMT
#16250
On October 06 2018 04:10 On_Slaught wrote:
Collins sure sounds like a yes. Just say yes already. My lunch is almost over.

I won't be surprised if she pulls a McCain tbh
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
October 05 2018 19:13 GMT
#16251
Looks like Colling will be a yes, judging from the beginning of her speech.
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
October 05 2018 19:15 GMT
#16252
This is a 90% Yes for Collins. Her speech is very much in support of Kavanaugh and she was decrying the scandal as a result of special interest groups. Bar some "But"... at the end, Kavanaugh is going through.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-05 19:17:31
October 05 2018 19:16 GMT
#16253
The only "but" I can see is the pro-choice issue, but Collins is dedicated to putting on blinders about this subject as much as possible.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
October 05 2018 19:16 GMT
#16254
Kavanaugh is going to make Collins look like a fool and it's going to be hilarious. He's going to gut her ACA and Roe.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 05 2018 19:18 GMT
#16255
Susan Collins working real hard to "refute" every point against Kavanaugh, what a fucking joke.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24800 Posts
October 05 2018 19:19 GMT
#16256
On October 06 2018 04:16 On_Slaught wrote:
Kavanaugh is going to make Collins look like a fool and it's going to be hilarious. He's going to gut her ACA and Roe.

Keep in mind, when it come to issues like those, it takes five to tango.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-05 19:20:43
October 05 2018 19:19 GMT
#16257
She already looks like a fool. She was supposed to get a guaranteed movement to the floor of the bill fixing the fact that the ACA has a hole when it comes to subsidizing individuals between the mandated Medicaid levels and the ACA expected ones, but McConnell played her. She doesn't seem to care about being lied to.

Nobody should really believe she operates in good faith/believes the things she's told.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 05 2018 19:20 GMT
#16258
On October 06 2018 04:15 PhoenixVoid wrote:
This is a 90% Yes for Collins. Her speech is very much in support of Kavanaugh and she was decrying the scandal as a result of special interest groups. Bar some "But"... at the end, Kavanaugh is going through.

I love that she is attacking the democrats for opposing the nominee before they were named, which is exactly which her party leader under Obama. And the money behind the opposing BK is only matched by the money supporting him.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
October 05 2018 19:20 GMT
#16259
On October 06 2018 04:19 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2018 04:16 On_Slaught wrote:
Kavanaugh is going to make Collins look like a fool and it's going to be hilarious. He's going to gut her ACA and Roe.

Keep in mind, when it come to issues like those, it takes five to tango.


They already have 4. Kavanaugh is the 5th. Ofc whoever they would have picked in place of Kavanaugh would have voted the same, but the fact she is expressly using these cases to justify voting for him is funny.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 05 2018 19:21 GMT
#16260
On October 06 2018 04:19 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2018 04:16 On_Slaught wrote:
Kavanaugh is going to make Collins look like a fool and it's going to be hilarious. He's going to gut her ACA and Roe.

Keep in mind, when it come to issues like those, it takes five to tango.

That shit is going to be 6. Roberts is going to pull a full "On second thought, the constitution doesn't allow this." That is how little faith I have in a Republican controlled court.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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