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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Impeachment is a bipartisan, multi-chamber effort or it doesn't happen. It was designed to be impossible to do without broad support. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On August 10 2018 02:10 Mohdoo wrote: Ah, ok, so Rosenstein safe. he's safe from being impeached/removed that way. Trump going for an indirect firing a la the saturday night massacre by firing Attorneys General (or whoever is above rosenstein, not completely sure) until one of them removes Rosenstein is still a possibility. iirc at least. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
Politics is stupid. | ||
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screamingpalm
United States1527 Posts
On August 09 2018 10:49 JimmiC wrote: We have them all the ranges of people just like you do, just in different percentages! Like anything it is super complicated, but here is my attempt and over simplifying it. The first nations get pretty big money from the government, but it tends to go to the chiefs and not the people.(82 chiefs as of 2010 made more then the prime minster of Canada https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/some-native-chiefs-earn-more-than-pm-tax-watchdog-1.879890) The chiefs blame the government and the people eat it because they have every right to distrust government. There is about 4% of Canadians that are First Nations and yet about a quarter of the prison population is. Recently a first nations fellow was trespassing on a farmers land and he thought he was trying to steal his stuff so he shot and killed him, and he got no jail time. The environmental protest stuff I'm not so sure on, it happens but I think it is often about payment more than protecting the environment. Whether it is a road or a pipeline or a hydro facility it appears that once a "deal" is made the protest go away. The sad part is again much of that money does make it people who need it. There is also a huge opiate crisis on the reserves and with the first nations people off the reserves. Signs about the dangers of fentanyl are popping up. Naloxone is available all over, becoming as common as a fire extinguisher on the reserves. Not that this is not a problem everywhere, just that it is disproportional in the first nations community. Yeah these are the same old tactics used in the US. Protests are made to "go away" once the deals are made and people are arrested. A people who were forced into boarding schools as children to strip their culture and identity, and traditional ways of life which then have to elect "chiefs" or tribal council representatives who are mostly fully corrupt like Ben Shelly of the Navajo Nation (see: https://vimeo.com/39920370 ). And of course, are then vilified for opioid issues etc. Same with trying to get a sell-out in order to obtain the Black Hills in SD and many other areas. I'm not sure if treaty issues are similar in Canada (I've seen at least a couple of cases where it is). | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On August 10 2018 03:21 Tachion wrote: So Devin Nunes, the guy that was on the Trump transition team, and who was caught on tape saying that he would be there to protect the president if he wasn't cleared of wrongdoing, was also the guy leading the committee investigating his involvement in election interference. Who used his spot on the committee to leak information to Trump starting the whole wiretapping claim and following "unmasking" nonsense. Politics is stupid. He just said out loud what most Republicans in Congress are thinking: it doesn't matter what the investigation finds since they see it as part of their job to protect the president. Ofc this is an affront to the constitution and our democracy, but party before country and all that. On the basis of just those quotes and nothing else he has done he is aggressively unfit to serve in congress. | ||
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Plansix
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Also there were rumblings on the twittersphere that other people, like Tom Price, might have gotten insider info as well. Nunes name was mentioned as being investigated too. Not confirmed by any big news org as far as I know so I'll treat that as unconfirmed for now. Still, I wouldnt be surprised to see more shoes drop. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 10 2018 03:54 On_Slaught wrote: Collins being arrested, Nunes being revealed as unconcerned with checks and balances while trying to undermine an investigation he straight admitted might "not clear " Trump, and Jim Jordan protecting a sexual predator... what do they have in common? Ryan has done nothing a out any if them. To say he is leaving with a whimper would be a understatement. Guy is feckless. Also there were rumblings on the twittersphere that other people, like Tom Price, might have gotten insider info as well. Nunes name was mentioned as being investigated too. Not confirmed by any big news org as far as I know so I'll treat that as unconfirmed for now. Still, I wouldnt be surprised to see more shoes drop. Speaker of the House was turned into a servant of the political party in power by Newt, which effectively destroyed its ability to act as oversight over the chamber. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On August 10 2018 03:21 Tachion wrote: So Devin Nunes, the guy that was on the Trump transition team, and who was caught on tape saying that he would be there to protect the president if he wasn't cleared of wrongdoing, was also the guy leading the committee investigating his involvement in election interference. Who used his spot on the committee to leak information to Trump starting the whole wiretapping claim and following "unmasking" nonsense. Politics is stupid. yeah it is. Also some people are for supporting/allowing politicians to act like that rather than hold them accountable. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On August 10 2018 05:29 Plansix wrote: Elon Musk getting investigation by the SEC for tweeting about taking Tesla private has just made my day. That man is a walking unforced error at this point. All he has to do is not be lying about having funding secured... He wouldn't lie about that now would he? | ||
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Simberto
Germany11973 Posts
On August 10 2018 05:29 Plansix wrote: Elon Musk getting investigation by the SEC for tweeting about taking Tesla private has just made my day. That man is a walking unforced error at this point. Could you give some source of what you are talking about? Don't always assume that everyone else knows about the thing you are talking about when you are the first to bring it up please. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Tesla to be examined by SEC over Elon Musk's 'funding secured' tweet – report Tesla is likely to face investigation by US securities market regulators following the CEO Elon Musk’s extraordinary tweet that he had “funding secured” to take the company private, according to a media report. Shares in the money-losing carmaker sharply in New York to after the Wall Street Journal reported that the Securities and Exchange Commission is making “inquiries” and quoted former SEC lawyers as saying that investigators were looking for documentation to back up Musk’s claims. According to the Journal, the SEC’s inquiries originate from the agency’s San Francisco office. The SEC declined to comment. If Musk’s claim turns out to be false, he risks civil and possible criminal penalties. Shares dipped again after Bloomberg reported regulators had been looking into Tesla prior to Musk’s tweets and were now intensifying their scrutiny of Tesla Inc.’s public statements, including statements on manufacturing goals and sales targets. Musk tweeted that he had secured enough funding to take Tesla private, which he felt was necessary to "assure success". Well he better have been telling the truth because that is a crime if he wasn't. And there is no reason for that tweet beyond his own ego. Or he was trying to gin up interest in the stock by saying he was going to buy everyone out, which is a crime. Musk's ego makes him really stupid. Like this is amateur hour shit. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On August 10 2018 05:42 Plansix wrote: Musk tweeted that he had secured enough funding to take Tesla private, which he felt was necessary to "assure success". Well he better have been telling the truth because that is a crime if he wasn't. And there is no reason for that tweet beyond his own ego. Or he was trying to gin up interest in the stock by saying he was going to buy everyone out, which is a crime. Musk's ego makes him really stupid. Like this is amateur hour shit. Politicians are allowed to make shit up on Twitter to own the libs. Officers of a publicly traded company are NOT allowed to make shit up to own the shorts. Because that would be security fraud. Elon could actually be fucked, and he was doing kinda better after the last conference call... There's maybe a dozen entities with the sort of cash money to back a deal like this. And for that much cheddar you could buy any of the major automakers you wanted and have $10 billion to invest in EV R&D. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 10 2018 05:46 ticklishmusic wrote: Politicians are allowed to make shit up on Twitter to own the libs. Officers of a publicly traded company are NOT allowed to make shit up to own the shorts. Because that would be security fraud. Elon could actually be fucked, and he was doing kinda better after the last conference call... There's maybe a dozen entities with the sort of cash money to back a deal like this. And for that much cheddar you could buy any of the major automakers you wanted and have $10 billion to invest in EV R&D. I did a double take when I saw the tweet and couldn’t believe he said it. But then I doubted myself, thinking that maybe I was over reacting. I’m glad to see that gravity still applies in these situations. On August 10 2018 05:30 IyMoon wrote: All he has to do is not be lying about having funding secured... He wouldn't lie about that now would he? He better have those funds ready at the time he made that tweet, paperwork signed. Otherwise he could be in some deep shit. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On August 10 2018 05:46 ticklishmusic wrote: Politicians are allowed to make shit up on Twitter to own the libs. Officers of a publicly traded company are NOT allowed to make shit up to own the shorts. Because that would be security fraud. Elon could actually be fucked, and he was doing kinda better after the last conference call... There's maybe a dozen entities with the sort of cash money to back a deal like this. And for that much cheddar you could buy any of the major automakers you wanted and have $10 billion to invest in EV R&D. Just to give ideas. Forbs says it will cost tesla up to 82 billion... He better have it or thats some fraud right there https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2018/08/09/elon-musks-82-billion-tesla-buyout-folly/#1d0a53a3595c | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
On August 10 2018 05:46 ticklishmusic wrote: Politicians are allowed to make shit up on Twitter to own the libs. Officers of a publicly traded company are NOT allowed to make shit up to own the shorts. Because that would be security fraud. Elon could actually be fucked, and he was doing kinda better after the last conference call... There's maybe a dozen entities with the sort of cash money to back a deal like this. And for that much cheddar you could buy any of the major automakers you wanted and have $10 billion to invest in EV R&D. All "major" automakers are 200$mld+. Also 82mld mentioned in relation to Tesla sounds like huge overestimation. Both in terms of cars sold, owned facilities, employeed people etc. The number wiki mentions is 28mld, which sounds more realistic. | ||
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