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On October 19 2026 11:36 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2026 11:28 Billyboy wrote:On October 19 2026 11:12 Jockmcplop wrote:On October 19 2026 10:51 Billyboy wrote:
If the US did the exact same thing to Canada from Detroit to Toronto it wouldn’t be ethnic cleansing it would be just a war of expansion. That west bank is 99.99% makes it looks like that’s the goal, but if Israel was about that, they would start in Israel proper wouldn’t they? I don't think that is how you define ethnic cleansing. It doesn't matter where it is happening, only that it is happening. I'd encourage you to think about it from the point of view of a Palestinian olive farmer living in the West Bank with their family. The most basic of human rights is the right to work your land. To be made unable to do this is to be made unable to live. Would you send your teenage kids out in the fields to harvest olives, despite the constant life threatening danger that waits out there? So what choices do you have, what life do you have? You have to face life threatening danger every single day at the hands of the settlers or leave. That is how ethnic cleansing works. People think it is basically the same thing as genocide but not quite as bad, but it isn't. You don't have to kill a single person to participate in ethnic cleansing. Its about making life impossible for an ethnicity. This is the definition of, and how it works, Ethnic cleansing is the systematic and forced removal of a specific ethnic, racial, or religious group from a territory to make that region ethnically homogeneous. Israel’s goal seems expansion not ethnic homogeneity. The religion isn’t even homogeneous. The rest is the same bullshit straw manning that gets so fucking tiring, do you not get tired of it? Go read my first post or any post and find any support for settlers. Not wanting to call it something it isn’t, because over use takes power away from the term, is not support. You are exhausting. Yes, That is what Isreal is doing in the west bank. They are trying to expand Isreal by expelling all the people who are living on the land, who are of a different religion and ethnicity than them. If their goal was expansion they would simply bring their military in, declare it to be isreal, and then govern it themselves. This is not what they are doing.
You are describing genocide not ethnic cleansing.
That would create all sorts of problems internationally and politically, this they have cover. Much like how Russia got in a lot less trouble internationally when they used their “little green men” in Ukraine in 2014 compared to when they launched their special military operation. They also can, and have used the settlements in the past as a political tool and bargaining chip.
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On October 19 2026 11:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2026 11:32 misirlou wrote:On October 19 2026 11:28 Billyboy wrote:
Israel’s goal seems expansion not ethnic homogeneity. Ok. What do they need to do to achieve their expansion goals? They certainly have fully occupied Gaza militarily before. And once you realize the purpose of Israel's existence and it's crazy meandering borders is increased worldwide military spending it fits together. From the day Israel was born it's been trying to expand. That expansion is made possible.by military spending. Forcing all the nations around it to arm up.
Stop presenting your wild, disproven conspiracy theory as fact. Correlation doesn’t equal causation.
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On October 19 2026 12:02 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2026 11:36 Sermokala wrote:On October 19 2026 11:28 Billyboy wrote:On October 19 2026 11:12 Jockmcplop wrote:On October 19 2026 10:51 Billyboy wrote:
If the US did the exact same thing to Canada from Detroit to Toronto it wouldn’t be ethnic cleansing it would be just a war of expansion. That west bank is 99.99% makes it looks like that’s the goal, but if Israel was about that, they would start in Israel proper wouldn’t they? I don't think that is how you define ethnic cleansing. It doesn't matter where it is happening, only that it is happening. I'd encourage you to think about it from the point of view of a Palestinian olive farmer living in the West Bank with their family. The most basic of human rights is the right to work your land. To be made unable to do this is to be made unable to live. Would you send your teenage kids out in the fields to harvest olives, despite the constant life threatening danger that waits out there? So what choices do you have, what life do you have? You have to face life threatening danger every single day at the hands of the settlers or leave. That is how ethnic cleansing works. People think it is basically the same thing as genocide but not quite as bad, but it isn't. You don't have to kill a single person to participate in ethnic cleansing. Its about making life impossible for an ethnicity. This is the definition of, and how it works, Ethnic cleansing is the systematic and forced removal of a specific ethnic, racial, or religious group from a territory to make that region ethnically homogeneous. Israel’s goal seems expansion not ethnic homogeneity. The religion isn’t even homogeneous. The rest is the same bullshit straw manning that gets so fucking tiring, do you not get tired of it? Go read my first post or any post and find any support for settlers. Not wanting to call it something it isn’t, because over use takes power away from the term, is not support. You are exhausting. Yes, That is what Isreal is doing in the west bank. They are trying to expand Isreal by expelling all the people who are living on the land, who are of a different religion and ethnicity than them. If their goal was expansion they would simply bring their military in, declare it to be isreal, and then govern it themselves. This is not what they are doing. You are describing genocide not ethnic cleansing. That would create all sorts of problems internationally and politically, this they have cover. Much like how Russia got in a lot less trouble internationally when they used their “little green men” in Ukraine in 2014 compared to when they launched their special military operation. They also can, and have used the settlements in the past as a political tool and bargaining chip.
They are not sending out death squads to kill them, they are destroying their living, and harasssing them to the point where they have to chose to leave their homes or die slowly. Paramilitary groups and gangs of youth protected by the IDF destroy farms, irrigation, roads, take animals and anything else the existing population can use to sustain themselves. That is not genocide that is ethnic cleansing. They are taking land that was filled with one ethnic group and are replacing them with their own.
Just like how they have now crowded the population within gaza into a much smaller footprint they are building homes in the west bank and are giving away the homes in the west bank to Jewish settlers.
The IDF already controls the west bank, they already controlled the flow of resources like water and electricity into gaza. If they wanted to just plant their flag and conquer the land they have already done so.
The Suffering they inflict on the population inspires the actions that they then use to generate justification for more suffering. They understand that they are in control of the situation and refuse to take responsibility for it.
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On October 19 2026 12:09 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2026 12:02 Billyboy wrote:On October 19 2026 11:36 Sermokala wrote:On October 19 2026 11:28 Billyboy wrote:On October 19 2026 11:12 Jockmcplop wrote:On October 19 2026 10:51 Billyboy wrote:
If the US did the exact same thing to Canada from Detroit to Toronto it wouldn’t be ethnic cleansing it would be just a war of expansion. That west bank is 99.99% makes it looks like that’s the goal, but if Israel was about that, they would start in Israel proper wouldn’t they? I don't think that is how you define ethnic cleansing. It doesn't matter where it is happening, only that it is happening. I'd encourage you to think about it from the point of view of a Palestinian olive farmer living in the West Bank with their family. The most basic of human rights is the right to work your land. To be made unable to do this is to be made unable to live. Would you send your teenage kids out in the fields to harvest olives, despite the constant life threatening danger that waits out there? So what choices do you have, what life do you have? You have to face life threatening danger every single day at the hands of the settlers or leave. That is how ethnic cleansing works. People think it is basically the same thing as genocide but not quite as bad, but it isn't. You don't have to kill a single person to participate in ethnic cleansing. Its about making life impossible for an ethnicity. This is the definition of, and how it works, Ethnic cleansing is the systematic and forced removal of a specific ethnic, racial, or religious group from a territory to make that region ethnically homogeneous. Israel’s goal seems expansion not ethnic homogeneity. The religion isn’t even homogeneous. The rest is the same bullshit straw manning that gets so fucking tiring, do you not get tired of it? Go read my first post or any post and find any support for settlers. Not wanting to call it something it isn’t, because over use takes power away from the term, is not support. You are exhausting. Yes, That is what Isreal is doing in the west bank. They are trying to expand Isreal by expelling all the people who are living on the land, who are of a different religion and ethnicity than them. If their goal was expansion they would simply bring their military in, declare it to be isreal, and then govern it themselves. This is not what they are doing. You are describing genocide not ethnic cleansing. That would create all sorts of problems internationally and politically, this they have cover. Much like how Russia got in a lot less trouble internationally when they used their “little green men” in Ukraine in 2014 compared to when they launched their special military operation. They also can, and have used the settlements in the past as a political tool and bargaining chip. + Show Spoiler +They are not sending out death squads to kill them, they are destroying their living, and harasssing them to the point where they have to chose to leave their homes or die slowly. Paramilitary groups and gangs of youth protected by the IDF destroy farms, irrigation, roads, take animals and anything else the existing population can use to sustain themselves. That is not genocide that is ethnic cleansing. They are taking land that was filled with one ethnic group and are replacing them with their own.
Just like how they have now crowded the population within gaza into a much smaller footprint they are building homes in the west bank and are giving away the homes in the west bank to Jewish settlers.
The IDF already controls the west bank, they already controlled the flow of resources like water and electricity into gaza. If they wanted to just plant their flag and conquer the land they have already done so. The Suffering they inflict on the population inspires the actions that they then use to generate justification for more suffering. They understand that they are in control of the situation and refuse to take responsibility for it.
The question is who is going to make them?
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On October 19 2026 12:03 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2026 11:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On October 19 2026 11:32 misirlou wrote:On October 19 2026 11:28 Billyboy wrote:
Israel’s goal seems expansion not ethnic homogeneity. Ok. What do they need to do to achieve their expansion goals? They certainly have fully occupied Gaza militarily before. And once you realize the purpose of Israel's existence and it's crazy meandering borders is increased worldwide military spending it fits together. From the day Israel was born it's been trying to expand. That expansion is made possible.by military spending. Forcing all the nations around it to arm up. Stop presenting your wild, disproven conspiracy theory as fact. Correlation doesn’t equal causation.
lol, i love these big fancy words man! i already explained the cause and effect.
Israel has been expanding for 80 years. it is comical how the mainstream western news media acts "shocked and stunned" whenever one of Israel's 2384793827 conflicts over the last 80 years breaks out. "why are those crazy palestinians so angry Bob?" , "gee i don't know John its probably that Islamic muslim religion thing they have there". "its not those fucked up , ill defined borders and constantly changing border rules is it John?" .... John replies ... "Onto coverage of Monday Night Football with Howard Cosell".
global worldwide military spending was $2.9T in 2025. this is comparable to the worldwide military spending at the height of WW2 once you factor inflation.
deaths due to military conflict are way, way, way down compared to 1944. In fact, from 2000 to 2020 deaths due to military conflict were super low. So for the global elites "project israel" is a triumphant success. Max. Spending .. Minimum Deaths.
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On October 19 2026 11:28 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2026 11:12 Jockmcplop wrote:On October 19 2026 10:51 Billyboy wrote:
If the US did the exact same thing to Canada from Detroit to Toronto it wouldn’t be ethnic cleansing it would be just a war of expansion. That west bank is 99.99% makes it looks like that’s the goal, but if Israel was about that, they would start in Israel proper wouldn’t they? I don't think that is how you define ethnic cleansing. It doesn't matter where it is happening, only that it is happening. I'd encourage you to think about it from the point of view of a Palestinian olive farmer living in the West Bank with their family. The most basic of human rights is the right to work your land. To be made unable to do this is to be made unable to live. Would you send your teenage kids out in the fields to harvest olives, despite the constant life threatening danger that waits out there? So what choices do you have, what life do you have? You have to face life threatening danger every single day at the hands of the settlers or leave. That is how ethnic cleansing works. People think it is basically the same thing as genocide but not quite as bad, but it isn't. You don't have to kill a single person to participate in ethnic cleansing. Its about making life impossible for an ethnicity. This is the definition of, and how it works, Ethnic cleansing is the systematic and forced removal of a specific ethnic, racial, or religious group from a territory to make that region ethnically homogeneous. Israel’s goal seems expansion not ethnic homogeneity. The religion isn’t even homogeneous. The rest is the same bullshit straw manning that gets so fucking tiring, do you not get tired of it? Go read my first post or any post and find any support for settlers. Not wanting to call it something it isn’t, because over use takes power away from the term, is not support. You are exhausting.
You're just wrong about this tbh.
I never said anything about anyone supporting settlers. You literally just invented that. My post was entirely about ethnic cleansing, what it is, and why Israel is DEFINITELY participating in it right now. I thought it might be easier for you to understand from the perspective of a Palestinian being forced out because of their ethnicity.
In fact I deliberately avoided saying anything about you at all because I didn't want it to turn into an argument but apparently that is impossible because if I only talk about the issue and nothing else you just invent a personal attack and respond to that instead.
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On October 19 2026 09:07 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2026 07:13 LightSpectra wrote:On October 19 2026 07:01 Introvert wrote:
Oh, so I didn't say that quoting Hilter was moderate? Whoa! I said Trump ran on closing the border, which is what he did in fact run on, and it was what people wanted and was, in fact, the moderate or let's say average opinion. Anyways thanks for finding the link where I didn't say what you said I did, appreciated Then you can unequivocally say right now that quoting Adolf Hitler about immigrants is something only a fascist/white supremacist would do, right? In fairness there's a very reasonable explanation for those phrases getting in. They probably slipped in due to the 1941 collection of Hitler speeches 'My New Order' that he confirmed was given to him by his friend and his wife confirmed he kept at his bedside. Also if anyone thinks that it is weird that he has those, Trump already addressed that and explained that the friend who gave him the speeches is a Jew and therefore it's okay (the friend in question was not previously aware that he was Jewish).
Once again we need to be fair here, because with Hitlers definition of who a Jew is, that can easily happen. IIRC 1-2 Jewish grandparents are enough to be considered a Jew yourself. The Nazis had a lot of weird math on how Jewish you are, and even made laws clearly defining all this, so Trump probably has a lot more knowledge about who is or isn't a Jew than his bookgiving friend has.
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On October 19 2026 07:04 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2026 07:01 Introvert wrote:
Oh, so I didn't say that quoting Hilter was moderate? Whoa! I said Trump ran on closing the border, which is what he did in fact run on, and it was what people wanted and was, in fact, the moderate or let's say average opinion. Anyways thanks for finding the link where I didn't say what you said I did, appreciated His words were he wanted a closed border. His action was to keep it open until he was elected.
The bill you refer to still wouldn't have closed the border.
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