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Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1536 Posts
July 22 2025 13:46 GMT
#102421
What this argument shows that no one can argue about is the WNBA has found a way to become relevant in the national conversation. Until last year you basically never heard about them, now they are fairly often the leading topic in sports shows and many other types of shows. Well done.


@ lightspectra have you seen the old video of him talking about his daughter as a baby, he says she has her mothers legs but he's not yet sure if she will have her breasts (just makes the motion of boobs on his chest). Like wtf does that? He is an all time creep.
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1125 Posts
July 22 2025 13:58 GMT
#102422
One pro of being blatantly incompetent is, that now people don't know if being so obviously guilty is confidence or incomptence again.
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1238 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-22 16:37:50
July 22 2025 16:37 GMT
#102423
So Bondi is meeting with Maxwell, I have a feeling someone reached out to Maxwell through her lawyers and they agreed for her to come in, testify and make sure to throw some carefully curated people under the bus in order to satisfy the MAGA base.

Could be an unhinged conspiracy theory, but that's where personally believe this is going and what I think the regime decided is the fix for this.

I'm basing this on the fact that Trump never said a bad thing about Maxwell and that she was very careful not to implicate any of the big names in any of her testimony, even when it could have helped her get off more easily. Now the DOJ will offer her a sentence reduction and a nicer prison in exchange for a nice, well organized testimony, and given how smart and sophisticated a predator she is I'm sure she'll deliver.

It's very good that "the deep state" is leaking, it's good that even RW rags are ragging on this now because it obviously drives tremendous engagement, so we'll see if this will work, if it happens of course.

I have a feeling it wont because they'll bungle it like they do most things, here's hoping.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5059 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-22 17:35:40
July 22 2025 17:35 GMT
#102424
You're talking about the biggest, juiciest soap opera ever here. Anything can happen. Musk Trump bromance backstabs arc came and went in half a season. It can only get juicier.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
July 22 2025 18:34 GMT
#102425
On July 23 2025 01:37 Jankisa wrote:
So Bondi is meeting with Maxwell, I have a feeling someone reached out to Maxwell through her lawyers and they agreed for her to come in, testify and make sure to throw some carefully curated people under the bus in order to satisfy the MAGA base.

Could be an unhinged conspiracy theory, but that's where personally believe this is going and what I think the regime decided is the fix for this.

I'm basing this on the fact that Trump never said a bad thing about Maxwell and that she was very careful not to implicate any of the big names in any of her testimony, even when it could have helped her get off more easily. Now the DOJ will offer her a sentence reduction and a nicer prison in exchange for a nice, well organized testimony, and given how smart and sophisticated a predator she is I'm sure she'll deliver.

It's very good that "the deep state" is leaking, it's good that even RW rags are ragging on this now because it obviously drives tremendous engagement, so we'll see if this will work, if it happens of course.

I have a feeling it wont because they'll bungle it like they do most things, here's hoping.


Yeah I think the gist of it is: "So long as you say nothing that harms us, we will protect you from perjury. If you make this go away, maybe you serve a light sentence in luxury"
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1238 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-22 18:37:36
July 22 2025 18:35 GMT
#102426
Oh, a new attempt at a pivot just dropped:

Gang leader Barack Hussein Obama

I'd argue that this Epstein drama is a consequence of the Trump - Elon breakup, the biggest and one of the rare deleted tweets from Musk was "the real truthbomb" about Trump being on the Epstein list, after that, he definitely kept adding gas to the fire and tweaked the algorithms to boost this on Twitter.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1125 Posts
July 22 2025 19:13 GMT
#102427
I re-read the epstein wiki article, and noticed being a "Pandemic and War expert" made me forgot half of it.

I wish I was Chad Jippitie.

Ties to basicly one "Born rich, got bored" asshole from any country, hundreds of millions paid by JP Morgen Chase and Deutsche Bank for "uh...just keeping those persons money" to victims so they'd shut up?

Billionaires casualy signing over all of their fortune into the hands of epstein, letting him just "have" a 77 million 7 story 2000m² new york Townhouse.. to uhh .. use.

Half a billion dollars of an Epstein "offshore" Bank gone missing after his death.

(R) Alexanda Acosta... ensuring Epstein and "all possible co-conspiritors" freedom from further prosecution for cooperating and 18 months in jail -after being told to "he is too important for the intelligence community" (2008).

SCOTUS Revoking that "NPA"

Epstein "uhmm ....suicided" 2019.. with minutes of tape missing and badly cut out.

Maxwell failing to point to that NPA and getting to jail "for him"

Now Rupert Murdoch - who also was a good friend of Epstein - releasing letters via his paper..

JD Vance immediately hopping on a plane talking to 94 year old "Save my Soul" Murdoch PERSONALLY

AG Bambi Bondi immediately getting a hold of Maxwell

FBI scrambling to locate the name "Trump" in all files.. and possibly round up all copies.



"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2229 Posts
July 22 2025 19:43 GMT
#102428
On July 23 2025 01:37 Jankisa wrote:
So Bondi is meeting with Maxwell, I have a feeling someone reached out to Maxwell through her lawyers and they agreed for her to come in, testify and make sure to throw some carefully curated people under the bus in order to satisfy the MAGA base.

Could be an unhinged conspiracy theory, but that's where personally believe this is going and what I think the regime decided is the fix for this.

I'm basing this on the fact that Trump never said a bad thing about Maxwell and that she was very careful not to implicate any of the big names in any of her testimony, even when it could have helped her get off more easily. Now the DOJ will offer her a sentence reduction and a nicer prison in exchange for a nice, well organized testimony, and given how smart and sophisticated a predator she is I'm sure she'll deliver.

It's very good that "the deep state" is leaking, it's good that even RW rags are ragging on this now because it obviously drives tremendous engagement, so we'll see if this will work, if it happens of course.

I have a feeling it wont because they'll bungle it like they do most things, here's hoping.


Republicans tripping over themselves to block release of the Epstein files just for Maxwell to come out and say "yeah man I saw Obama at Epstein Island like a hundred times lmao" in exchange for a pardon is going to look utterly insane, even to your average Republican moron.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17329 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-22 20:33:03
July 22 2025 20:15 GMT
#102429
The Deep State and one its top agents Donald Trump have been trying to get people to forget about Epstein for a while now. They have met with some partial success. They've managed to side track big parts of Trump's voter base by yapping about how Barack Obama might get "arrested". Guys like Mark Dice and Matt Walsh are gleefully covering the waste-of-mental-space topic rather than continuing to talk about Epstein.

The way people react to my question "is Epstein even dead?" has done a 180 in just a few weeks. For years it was 1 minute of missing tape then it was 2 minutes and 53 seconds.... LOL.

Again, this is the best result possible given the realistic range of actions. There is no way the Trump regime will release the evidence against Epstein or evidence about JFK or the other 28347378 scams the US government has run the past 100 years. I'm surprised Trump didn't promise to get to the bottom of 3 Mile Island during his election campaign He coulda took New York folks!

With people believing less and less every year we're now getting some fucking hilarious theories. A new one I heard: Donald Trump was replaced two years ago by Gene Simmons in a specially designed mask and body suit.

Notice, when Bondi is asked directly about the Epstein Files she immediately shifts the topic to yapping about MLK and JFK. I'm surprised she didn't start talking about teh French Revolution.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NbTF-csBsOA

BTW, this Fox guy... Captain Conservative "John Roberts" was totally different in a previous life. He was Canadian super cool left wing music guy and host of "The New Music" on Toronto independent TV station "City TV"
JD Roberts ... New Music Host

Nice journalism work... "John".
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5936 Posts
July 22 2025 20:41 GMT
#102430
You know that's from February?

It's not some kind of recent dodging in July after the backlash to the slow speed and apparent lack of progress about Epstein. Nor a topic shift; the topic in general is transparency, and he ran on or mentioned all of JFK RFK MLK and Epstein.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17329 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-22 21:05:24
July 22 2025 20:49 GMT
#102431
On July 23 2025 05:41 oBlade wrote:
You know that's from February?

It's not some kind of recent dodging in July after the backlash to the slow speed and apparent lack of progress about Epstein. Nor a topic shift; the topic in general is transparency, and he ran on or mentioned all of JFK RFK MLK and Epstein.

The topic was set up by the question "John" Roberts asked her. The Epstein files was the direct question.
She did not want to sit on the topic of Epstein alone. She wanted to keep skating on the surface. "John" tried to dig in specifically on Epstein... and she gave him nothing. Furthermore, Nothing new has come out of the JFK promises of transparency either. Regarding Epstein, on only 1 occasion did Bondi get into specifics. Bondi made the mistake of specifically mentioning the number victims. She came out with something like 200 or 200+ or 250. Bondi getting that specific could cost her .. her job. I guess Bondi can back track a la Roger Clemens and say she "misremembers"
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5936 Posts
July 23 2025 08:27 GMT
#102432
Yes, he asked about Epstein, the reason I mention February is she had literally just gotten into office and wanted to brag proudly about all the related transparency that was supposed to be forthcoming, not merely limited to Epstein. You're allowed to answer without utter rigidity because it's a TV news interview and not a court of law. It's also called conversation. There wasn't time to "have" something at that point to get angry at her for not having. It was a "what are you going to do" question not a "you promised this half a year ago where the fuck is it" into dodging, which is more appropriate now.

MLK stuff was released, most of the family hated it because it contained prejudicial stuff from the perspective of the government keeping tabs on him as a subversive and somehow this tarnishes his legacy rather than the government's.

JFK stuff was released, it just doesn't have the smoking gun of the mob ordering Jack Ruby to kill Oswald. Transparency doesn't mean there's got to be a revelation. That's an assumption. This is why I am starting to blame the government less for not releasing stuff in hindsight, because whatever they release people just come up with ways to claim they're actually still hiding something else, and this is never-ending because once the well is poisoned, nobody is credible enough to overturn it.

RFK stuff was released also and his son believes the person blamed for the killing (another single shooter allegedly) wasn't the actual guy because he was too far away and the shots that killed RFK were extremely close.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1125 Posts
July 23 2025 09:59 GMT
#102433
Even if Trump is named as a customer in the files, even if you could follow a trace of the money in old "Deutsche Bank" accounts of Trump paying to visit the sex slaves on Epstein-Island ..

He'd just pardon himself, and GOP "weaklings" will just find a wording "This is the President's decision".
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18233 Posts
July 23 2025 10:32 GMT
#102434
On July 23 2025 17:27 oBlade wrote:
Yes, he asked about Epstein, the reason I mention February is she had literally just gotten into office and wanted to brag proudly about all the related transparency that was supposed to be forthcoming, not merely limited to Epstein. You're allowed to answer without utter rigidity because it's a TV news interview and not a court of law. It's also called conversation. There wasn't time to "have" something at that point to get angry at her for not having. It was a "what are you going to do" question not a "you promised this half a year ago where the fuck is it" into dodging, which is more appropriate now.

MLK stuff was released, most of the family hated it because it contained prejudicial stuff from the perspective of the government keeping tabs on him as a subversive and somehow this tarnishes his legacy rather than the government's.

JFK stuff was released, it just doesn't have the smoking gun of the mob ordering Jack Ruby to kill Oswald. Transparency doesn't mean there's got to be a revelation. That's an assumption. This is why I am starting to blame the government less for not releasing stuff in hindsight, because whatever they release people just come up with ways to claim they're actually still hiding something else, and this is never-ending because once the well is poisoned, nobody is credible enough to overturn it.

RFK stuff was released also and his son believes the person blamed for the killing (another single shooter allegedly) wasn't the actual guy because he was too far away and the shots that killed RFK were extremely close.

So if it was all released, why can't the Epstein stuff be released too?

Although I understand you feel the same way, so we finally found some common ground?
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8725 Posts
July 23 2025 10:46 GMT
#102435
this whole Epstein saga is a farce

with victims getting ignored/marginalized/paid off or their silence/turn up dead, some insanely rich and connected people - rather obviously - getting shielded from consequences of their criminal actions, the whole ordeal getting used as a nuclear football politically with one party very deftly landing political points by outplaying the other team using their super power known as "world class bullshitting".

only to start glowing with guilt from the fallout of lies, as their champion it turns out, was historically very much exposed to the nuclear reactor.

it has already been posted, but damn shutting down the House to win time for Trump and Gang deadcatting the heck out of inconvenient questions... and hope the public forgets or gets bored with it. or just plain happy with whatever inconsequential sop they are cooking up.

I wonder at what point MAGA is storming - something. they did it once for "Stop The Steal" lies.

Fight! Fight! Fight! the "True Lies". to balance the scale and activate the redemption arc.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1066 Posts
July 23 2025 13:52 GMT
#102436
I don't think even video evidence of him doing something with an Epstein victim would change much. Again and again: It's a cult.
I mostly worry about him escalating the usual distraction bombardement with something awful like an actual war against some country.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-23 14:03:24
July 23 2025 14:02 GMT
#102437
On July 23 2025 18:59 KT_Elwood wrote:
Even if Trump is named as a customer in the files, even if you could follow a trace of the money in old "Deutsche Bank" accounts of Trump paying to visit the sex slaves on Epstein-Island ..

He'd just pardon himself, and GOP "weaklings" will just find a wording "This is the President's decision".


I think a LOT of Republicans would balk at the idea of bailing out someone that is undeniably, unarguably, publicly-confirmed to be a child rapist. Otherwise Matt Gaetz would be Attorney General right now.

They already got their tax cuts for billionaires and decimation of Medicaid signed into law, they can dump Trump the moment they feel like Vance has a better handle on public opinion.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45348 Posts
July 23 2025 15:28 GMT
#102438
On July 23 2025 23:02 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2025 18:59 KT_Elwood wrote:
Even if Trump is named as a customer in the files, even if you could follow a trace of the money in old "Deutsche Bank" accounts of Trump paying to visit the sex slaves on Epstein-Island ..

He'd just pardon himself, and GOP "weaklings" will just find a wording "This is the President's decision".


I think a LOT of Republicans would balk at the idea of bailing out someone that is undeniably, unarguably, publicly-confirmed to be a child rapist. Otherwise Matt Gaetz would be Attorney General right now.

They already got their tax cuts for billionaires and decimation of Medicaid signed into law, they can dump Trump the moment they feel like Vance has a better handle on public opinion.

Gaetz isn't Trump though, and I worry about how realistic your premise could actually be in regards to MAGA, especially the idea that something could be "undeniably, unarguably, publicly-confirmed" as true. On some tautological level, it's obviously true that people wouldn't be able to "deny" or "argue" against something that's axiomatically defined as being "undeniable" and "inarguable", but we've already seen that Trump supporters will deny and argue against anything that doesn't support their view of Trump, even if there is video evidence, audio evidence, written evidence, eyewitness testimony, victim testimony, and court rulings that prove otherwise. Everything is dismissed as a hoax or a conspiracy theory if it doesn't fit their worldview.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43675 Posts
July 23 2025 15:34 GMT
#102439
See Jan 6. Trump wasn’t involved, it was all FBI Aunt Tifa, and in any case everyone was polite and friendly.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9781 Posts
July 23 2025 15:44 GMT
#102440
On July 24 2025 00:34 KwarK wrote:
See Jan 6. Trump wasn’t involved, it was all FBI Aunt Tifa, and in any case everyone was polite and friendly.


I don't know why right wingers think the FBI and police are against them.
Both the FBI and police have long been infiltrated by extremist right wingers.

Antifa would never, ever work with the FBI or the police. They are seen as arms of a fascist system (in the way that they use violence to carry out the aims of a right wing - even under the Democrats - state).
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