EPTOn March 01 2025 04:50 Fildun wrote:
No better time to be a nuclear scientist in a 1st or 2nd world country than right now.
No better time to be a nuclear scientist in a 1st or 2nd world country than right now.
It certainly doesn’t feel like it.
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micronesia
United States24690 Posts
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Husyelt
United States832 Posts
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth last week ordered U.S. Cyber Command to stand down from all planning against Russia, including offensive digital actions, according to three people familiar with the matter. Hegseth gave the instruction to Cyber Command chief Gen. Timothy Haugh, who then informed the organization's outgoing director of operations, Marine Corps Maj. Gen. Ryan Heritage, of the new guidance, according to these people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the matter’s sensitivity. The order does not apply to the National Security Agency, which Haugh also leads, or its signals intelligence work targeting Russia, the sources said. Actively aligning with Russia. Europe is now our enemy full stop. We need to bring this countries economy to a f****** halt | ||
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Legan
Finland415 Posts
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EnDeR_
Spain2696 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23250 Posts
On March 01 2025 07:19 Husyelt wrote: therecord.media Actively aligning with Russia. Europe is now our enemy full stop. We need to bring this countries economy to a f****** halt LibHorizons: Have you considered venting about how stupid/bad Trump and his ilk are instead? It doesn't help, but I hear it's quite cathartic for the person doing it. I jest, but seriously, that's basically all anyone here really wants to do. Fwiw I think Europeans are going to have to do something similar to what you suggest combined with a BDS movement in opposition to the US else you'll see them slithering to not be on Trump's/the US's shitlist. This will manifest in the discussion among Europeans between those that want something like a BDS movement and those that want to be servile and remain in the good graces of/appease Trump/the US. | ||
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Vivax
21991 Posts
If the US stops doing it, then we got to decide if we keep doing it instead of giving Russia what it wants and resume doing business with them. It shifts us more to the eastern sphere, one could say. I‘m not really afraid that they‘ll try to annex more countries when they can just spend money from the energy they could sell. If someone didn‘t blow up nord stream. It‘s just the message that America demands some alone time. Meh. Not sure how to view it. It just looks like a weak cop out overall. Him fantasizing about Canada and Greenland comes across as ‚we wanna grab some land here while you do that there we don‘t want to meddle‘. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5574 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25474 Posts
On March 01 2025 07:39 EnDeR_ wrote: I'm curious, how is this playing in the conservative sphere? Anyone have any insights? Conservative voices, or even devil’s advocates seem to have gone inactive here since Trump got confirmed and actually started doing various things. Why? Who could possibly guess? I would be interested too to get some insight here though for sure | ||
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Slydie
1921 Posts
On March 01 2025 07:33 Legan wrote: I hope European military personnel are having very direct and blunt talks with their USA counterparts about worst-case scenarios. The EU meeting on Sunday should take direct action in this situation. Let's start with suspending all military procurement from USA until we figure what is going on. We will see how much political power USA's military industry really has. There is no reason to procure military equipment betrayers. That is one thing to do, but there are others, like to hamper oil trade. Americans hate expensive gas, and even Trump must respect that. The Norwegian Pension Fund owns a lot of important US stocks, I am sure we could use some leverage there too. Russia set a trap, and Trump walked right into it face first, and might even fully believe it is all Ukraine's fault. What happened to the GOP? Are there no grown ups in that party anymore? | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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Vivax
21991 Posts
On March 01 2025 07:55 maybenexttime wrote: We have already decided, but Austria was never part of the coalition. Makes sense. We‘re only equipped for self defense and I‘m not even sure about that lol. Russian money was always welcome before the whole thing though. Europe isn‘t in a position to be picky. A lot of this war is likely also decided by business interests. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11519 Posts
On March 01 2025 08:03 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I can't believe Trump specifically got mad because Zelensky said Putin cannot be trusted to hold to a ceasefire. Slandering Putins beautiful name was too far? The "Trump is a Russian Asset" theory seems more and more plausible. It is basically impossible to explain his actions otherwise. All of this is absolutely horrifying. And we knew it was coming. But the US voted for it, so now the whole world has to eat shit. The US is going to be the ones who eat the most shit, but all of us will get a fill. It is kinda weird. 10 years ago the world looked as if it were moving in the right direction, and if things were going to get better and better now. Instead, things are moving in the right direction, and everything gets more and more insane and shitty. It just feels so frustrating and bad. Why do people choose this? We could have a world that gets better for everyone. People could strive to make the world better. Instead we just get spite and hate and lots of people working towards making the world worse every day. And there seems to be no way to stop it. It just keeps going and going and going. And for no reason whatsoever. People are fucking insane idiots. | ||
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Slydie
1921 Posts
On March 01 2025 08:03 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I can't believe Trump specifically got mad because Zelensky said Putin cannot be trusted to hold to a ceasefire. Slandering Putins beautiful name was too far? "I have a plan. It is the greatest plan ever. Ukraine will be thrilled by my plan, and I will end the war. I am the best president ever, and I bring peace to the world. You all like peace, right? I am the best ever at peace." What a sorry excuse for a president Trump is. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On March 01 2025 08:17 Simberto wrote: The "Trump is a Russian Asset" theory seems more and more plausible. It is basically impossible to explain his actions otherwise. All of this is absolutely horrifying. And we knew it was coming. But the US voted for it, so now the whole world has to eat shit. The US is going to be the ones who eat the most shit, but all of us will get a fill. It is kinda weird. 10 years ago the world looked as if it were moving in the right direction, and if things were going to get better and better now. Instead, things are moving in the right direction, and everything gets more and more insane and shitty. It just feels so frustrating and bad. Why do people choose this? We could have a world that gets better for everyone. People could strive to make the world better. Instead we just get spite and hate and lots of people working towards making the world worse every day. And there seems to be no way to stop it. It just keeps going and going and going. And for no reason whatsoever. People are fucking insane idiots. The Russian asset theory does not have a good answer for "Why did Biden and the US military allow an actual Russian asset to win?" I don't think its possible Trump could have an actual Russian asset without the CIA/NSA/FBI etc having hard proof of it. If Trump is actually compromised, Biden and the military knew about it. It is the most definitive existential crisis the country could ever face. I struggle to explain why this would have been allowed to happen. All the stuff about civil unrest and whatnot does not come close to what we are seeing. I think any rigorous analysis would conclude it is still better to make sure Trump is not president. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11519 Posts
In the end, it doesn't matter that much. If Trump is being a traitor because he is in the Russian pocket, or because he is a moron who gets played by Putin like a fiddle doesn't change the real outcome. You guys in the US need to figure out how to do something about this. Because this cannot go on for 3 years and 10 months. See the damage these people did in 2 months. They don't seem to slow down, either. And it is not like this would end after 4 years. Trump will make sure he doesn't lose another election. He can probably ask Putin for help with that, the guy has experience in that regard after all. | ||
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Slydie
1921 Posts
On March 01 2025 08:22 Mohdoo wrote: The Russian asset theory does not have a good answer for "Why did Biden and the US military allow an actual Russian asset to win?" I don't think its possible Trump could have an actual Russian asset without the CIA/NSA/FBI etc having hard proof of it. If Trump is actually compromised, Biden and the military knew about it. It is the most definitive existential crisis the country could ever face. I struggle to explain why this would have been allowed to happen. All the stuff about civil unrest and whatnot does not come close to what we are seeing. I think any rigorous analysis would conclude it is still better to make sure Trump is not president. Trump had multiple very serious court cases lined up against him, from insurrection to attempts at election fraud, tax evation and hiding secret documents. None of them came close to stopping Trump from becoming president. I can't see how his ties and sympathies with Russia could possibly have made a difference. The voters knew about Trump's relation with Putin, and it did not stop him from being elected. | ||
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Legan
Finland415 Posts
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Vivax
21991 Posts
Tells you all you need to know about what people care nowadays since his first term. How to get rich quickly. Putting up Harris as counter candidate was too risky when a female president was never elected before. Ironically, they could only have fought the historical sexism with counter-sexism to stop him from becoming president. Big maybe. I don‘t believe he‘s bought but just believes that giving in to Russia in this case will benefit the country. Remains to be seen. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On March 01 2025 08:38 Slydie wrote: Trump had multiple very serious court cases lined up against him, from insurrection to attempts at election fraud, tax evation and hiding secret documents. None of them came close to stopping Trump from becoming president. I can't see how his ties and sympathies with Russia could possibly have made a difference. The voters knew about Trump's relation with Putin, and it did not stop him from being elected. Everything you're listing doesn't come close to the scale and importance of being an actual Russian asset though. What we are seeing right now, if it all plays out the way Trump is indicating it will, is logically equivalent to being conquered. There's nothing that would be worse. Killing a former president would absolutely have enormous long-term consequences but that's all still way better than "actually losing the cold war". Its all very difficult to make sense of. The hard part is, I genuinely can't think of another explanation for all this. It is too directly harmful without positives. The best explanation I have is Biden made the same mistake Obama did by trusting voters would let our country avoid all damage without any downsides. Some really big play that just kinda didn't pan out. But I'd argue even after Trump won, if Biden knew it meant the US losing the cold war, it would absolutely make sense to impose martial law and all that jazz. What I am trying to get at is: Nothing would ever be worse than this, so what the hell is going on. | ||
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KwarK
United States42778 Posts
Ask yourself what would a Russian asset do in any given situation. Then check what Trump did. They’re the exact same thing. So why does it matter if he’s actually a Russian agent, what matters is that he favours Putin’s interests over America’s 10 times out of 10. But imo this is because Zelenskyy refused to take a bribe to frame Biden (Trump impeachment #1). He’s not forgiven Zelenskyy for that and will happily see a million Ukrainians dead in repayment for the slight. Just like he hasn’t forgiven Trudeau for beating him at the handshake game and making Ivanka soak the carpet. | ||
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