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On July 10 2024 05:35 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2024 05:14 Magic Powers wrote:
I used to be in right-wing circles. Let me assure you all in this thread that, yes, black people are definitely a target of American fascists. They hate them and ideally they want to round them up and deport them all. Or at the very least segregate them.
And that's just the fascists. Even less extreme racists are very anti-black, and they will support plenty of anti-black policies. The only difference between these two groups is that the fascists are full-blown extremists, while the more common racists have a "look away" type of approach where they let loose the actual fascists and trod along with them, even if they don't like their methods.
The fascists will deport, possibly even kill black people. Fascists are extremely dangerous, and to say black people aren't on their list is absolutely opposite to reality.
While I don't believe American fascism stands a realistic chance, IF it were to happen, black people would absolutely get rounded up, deported, some even murdered. If you don't believe me, you've never spoken to a real fascist before. That’s total nonsense. You’re perhaps imagining neo Nazis when the conversation is about regular garden variety Republicans who will happily vote Trump in the hope that he’ll suspend habeus corpus and put drag queens in Gitmo. We’re not talking about the KKK taking over, we’re talking about Trump taking over. Deporting all African Americans is very much not on the agenda. Because those 2 circles have never ever mixed right?
putting one into power surely would never lead to any power for the other, the are entirely 100% strictly separated /s
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On July 10 2024 05:49 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2024 05:35 KwarK wrote:On July 10 2024 05:14 Magic Powers wrote:
I used to be in right-wing circles. Let me assure you all in this thread that, yes, black people are definitely a target of American fascists. They hate them and ideally they want to round them up and deport them all. Or at the very least segregate them.
And that's just the fascists. Even less extreme racists are very anti-black, and they will support plenty of anti-black policies. The only difference between these two groups is that the fascists are full-blown extremists, while the more common racists have a "look away" type of approach where they let loose the actual fascists and trod along with them, even if they don't like their methods.
The fascists will deport, possibly even kill black people. Fascists are extremely dangerous, and to say black people aren't on their list is absolutely opposite to reality.
While I don't believe American fascism stands a realistic chance, IF it were to happen, black people would absolutely get rounded up, deported, some even murdered. If you don't believe me, you've never spoken to a real fascist before. That’s total nonsense. You’re perhaps imagining neo Nazis when the conversation is about regular garden variety Republicans who will happily vote Trump in the hope that he’ll suspend habeus corpus and put drag queens in Gitmo. We’re not talking about the KKK taking over, we’re talking about Trump taking over. Deporting all African Americans is very much not on the agenda. Because those 2 circles have never ever mixed right? putting one into power surely would never lead to any power for the other, the are entirely 100% strictly separated /s
This is squares and rectangles again. All Nazis are fascists but not all fascists are Nazis.
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RenSC2/Fleetfeet/Simberto/Wombat/PVJ - Recently, I've only been available to lurk, but I still wanted to tip my hat to you all for spending the time and energy to engage with oBlade's extreme religious premises, projections, overgeneralizations, semantics, and improper comparisons between the left and the right. I think your good-faith questions and responses are exposing a lot of weaknesses in oBlade's perspective.
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On July 10 2024 05:51 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2024 05:49 Gorsameth wrote:On July 10 2024 05:35 KwarK wrote:On July 10 2024 05:14 Magic Powers wrote:
I used to be in right-wing circles. Let me assure you all in this thread that, yes, black people are definitely a target of American fascists. They hate them and ideally they want to round them up and deport them all. Or at the very least segregate them.
And that's just the fascists. Even less extreme racists are very anti-black, and they will support plenty of anti-black policies. The only difference between these two groups is that the fascists are full-blown extremists, while the more common racists have a "look away" type of approach where they let loose the actual fascists and trod along with them, even if they don't like their methods.
The fascists will deport, possibly even kill black people. Fascists are extremely dangerous, and to say black people aren't on their list is absolutely opposite to reality.
While I don't believe American fascism stands a realistic chance, IF it were to happen, black people would absolutely get rounded up, deported, some even murdered. If you don't believe me, you've never spoken to a real fascist before. That’s total nonsense. You’re perhaps imagining neo Nazis when the conversation is about regular garden variety Republicans who will happily vote Trump in the hope that he’ll suspend habeus corpus and put drag queens in Gitmo. We’re not talking about the KKK taking over, we’re talking about Trump taking over. Deporting all African Americans is very much not on the agenda. Because those 2 circles have never ever mixed right? putting one into power surely would never lead to any power for the other, the are entirely 100% strictly separated /s This is squares and rectangles again. All Nazis are fascists but not all fascists are Nazis. Not an answer.
If fascists get into power a bunch of them are likely to also be nazis. Who will use their power to go after black people (or literally anyone else they feel like). And the not nazi fascists they share power with will let them.
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On July 10 2024 06:38 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2024 05:51 KwarK wrote:On July 10 2024 05:49 Gorsameth wrote:On July 10 2024 05:35 KwarK wrote:On July 10 2024 05:14 Magic Powers wrote:
I used to be in right-wing circles. Let me assure you all in this thread that, yes, black people are definitely a target of American fascists. They hate them and ideally they want to round them up and deport them all. Or at the very least segregate them.
And that's just the fascists. Even less extreme racists are very anti-black, and they will support plenty of anti-black policies. The only difference between these two groups is that the fascists are full-blown extremists, while the more common racists have a "look away" type of approach where they let loose the actual fascists and trod along with them, even if they don't like their methods.
The fascists will deport, possibly even kill black people. Fascists are extremely dangerous, and to say black people aren't on their list is absolutely opposite to reality.
While I don't believe American fascism stands a realistic chance, IF it were to happen, black people would absolutely get rounded up, deported, some even murdered. If you don't believe me, you've never spoken to a real fascist before. That’s total nonsense. You’re perhaps imagining neo Nazis when the conversation is about regular garden variety Republicans who will happily vote Trump in the hope that he’ll suspend habeus corpus and put drag queens in Gitmo. We’re not talking about the KKK taking over, we’re talking about Trump taking over. Deporting all African Americans is very much not on the agenda. Because those 2 circles have never ever mixed right? putting one into power surely would never lead to any power for the other, the are entirely 100% strictly separated /s This is squares and rectangles again. All Nazis are fascists but not all fascists are Nazis. Not an answer. If fascists get into power a bunch of them are likely to also be nazis. Who will use their power to go after black people (or literally anyone else they feel like). And the not nazi fascists they share power with will let them.
Just to clarify, you believe that if Trump wins then the 42 million African Americans in America will end up in camps or something? Or if not camps then what? Because I’m just not seeing it. You all know that I’m an advocate for second amendment enthusiasts stopping Trump from taking office again (by lobbying or whatever) so I hope I’m not mistaken for a Trump supporter. But that’s not the thing we were afraid he would do, right?
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not interested in a song and dance with you, your not an idiot. you can put 2 and 2 together yourself.
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On July 10 2024 06:38 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2024 05:51 KwarK wrote:On July 10 2024 05:49 Gorsameth wrote:On July 10 2024 05:35 KwarK wrote:On July 10 2024 05:14 Magic Powers wrote:
I used to be in right-wing circles. Let me assure you all in this thread that, yes, black people are definitely a target of American fascists. They hate them and ideally they want to round them up and deport them all. Or at the very least segregate them.
And that's just the fascists. Even less extreme racists are very anti-black, and they will support plenty of anti-black policies. The only difference between these two groups is that the fascists are full-blown extremists, while the more common racists have a "look away" type of approach where they let loose the actual fascists and trod along with them, even if they don't like their methods.
The fascists will deport, possibly even kill black people. Fascists are extremely dangerous, and to say black people aren't on their list is absolutely opposite to reality.
While I don't believe American fascism stands a realistic chance, IF it were to happen, black people would absolutely get rounded up, deported, some even murdered. If you don't believe me, you've never spoken to a real fascist before. That’s total nonsense. You’re perhaps imagining neo Nazis when the conversation is about regular garden variety Republicans who will happily vote Trump in the hope that he’ll suspend habeus corpus and put drag queens in Gitmo. We’re not talking about the KKK taking over, we’re talking about Trump taking over. Deporting all African Americans is very much not on the agenda. Because those 2 circles have never ever mixed right? putting one into power surely would never lead to any power for the other, the are entirely 100% strictly separated /s This is squares and rectangles again. All Nazis are fascists but not all fascists are Nazis. Not an answer. If fascists get into power a bunch of them are likely to also be nazis. Who will use their power to go after black people (or literally anyone else they feel like). And the not nazi fascists they share power with will let them.
All communists are left wing but not everyone left wing is a communist. But we can conclude that if we elect left wingers some of them will be communists and will try to implement communism in America. Therefore we should only vote for Republicans unless you want communism.
See how ridiculous these logical leaps seem once they are applied the other way? Kwark and I probably disagree on most things but if nothing else he applies logic consistently. If you like the logic that helps you conflate Trump with genociding black people or whatever then you have to accept the same stupid logic applied to the Dems.
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On July 10 2024 06:56 Gorsameth wrote:
not interested in a song and dance with you, your not an idiot. you can put 2 and 2 together yourself.
I can, and it doesn't add up to anything you people are saying.
GH, while balls deep in his Lenin roleplay, decided that the man would be after him if Trump took power.
I, in the mood to call out GH's delusions of being Lenin, told him he was indistinguishable from their supporters and that he would be safe from the man.
That ought to have been the end of it but then Zambrah jumped in to explain that actually GH is black and that if Trump wins the election then they will come after all the blacks which includes GH and therefore GH wasn't being dumb when he said that they're going to come for him.
That upped the stupid ante from whether a Trump victory will result in "them coming after" GH to whether a Trump victory will result in "them coming after" all 42 million African Americans (including GH). With the argument now reaching what must surely be peak stupid I had a number of people explain that some fascists are Nazis and that some fascists support Trump and therefore it logically follows that a Trump victory will come after those 42 million African Americans and therefore GH.
All of this is in the context of everyone here having lived through a Trump presidency relatively recently in which none of that happened. We know the Zambrah hypothesis is bullshit because it has been tested.
GH's initial claim was only pretty fucking dumb as it would require the man coming after people who roleplay as revolutionaries online. But the Zambrah hypothesis, which is now the focus of the argument, is super fucking dumb.
I suspect the reason you're not willing to argue your side of the argument is that your side of the argument is completely indefensible.
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On July 10 2024 05:35 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2024 05:14 Magic Powers wrote:
I used to be in right-wing circles. Let me assure you all in this thread that, yes, black people are definitely a target of American fascists. They hate them and ideally they want to round them up and deport them all. Or at the very least segregate them.
And that's just the fascists. Even less extreme racists are very anti-black, and they will support plenty of anti-black policies. The only difference between these two groups is that the fascists are full-blown extremists, while the more common racists have a "look away" type of approach where they let loose the actual fascists and trod along with them, even if they don't like their methods.
The fascists will deport, possibly even kill black people. Fascists are extremely dangerous, and to say black people aren't on their list is absolutely opposite to reality.
While I don't believe American fascism stands a realistic chance, IF it were to happen, black people would absolutely get rounded up, deported, some even murdered. If you don't believe me, you've never spoken to a real fascist before. That’s total nonsense. You’re perhaps imagining neo Nazis when the conversation is about regular garden variety Republicans who will happily vote Trump in the hope that he’ll suspend habeus corpus and put drag queens in Gitmo. We’re not talking about the KKK taking over, we’re talking about Trump taking over. Deporting all African Americans is very much not on the agenda. It was over Trump wins = they’re coming for GH GH will not be getting deported during a Trump presidency. That’s not a sane take.
You clearly don't know the first thing about this. You were specifically talking about American fascists, not "garden variety Republicans". You said they are not targeting black people. This is literally what you said.
I don’t envision American fascism going in a hardline “kill all blacks” direction.
American fascists are very clear on who their out groups are.
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African Americans aren’t on the list.
Stop pretending you know so much better than everyone else what you're talking about. You clearly do not know anything about American fascists. I've talked to them for years, I was in some of the same discord groups they frequented daily.
The MAIN concern of American fascists is their beloved ethno-state (that's why they love talking about Japan as the model state). Every time there's news of a black person getting killed, they celebrate. The term "nigger" is par for the course, they use it literally all the time, they wouldn't even consider saying "black people". They see black people as nothing but criminals born into criminality and creating criminality. They see black people as the parasites of American society.
Getting rid of black people in America is the PRIMARY concern of American fascists. That's their ideology in ESSENCE. Everything else is secondary. They lament the days of whiteness, when America was as white as a fresh sheet of paper. You can't even begin to comprehend the level of racism they display constantly, it's absolutely mindboggling how they operate. They're racist to the bone.
Stop talking like you know anything when it's so obvious you don't know anything. Stop pretending your knowledge about fascists supersedes that of people who've talked to actual fascists for years.
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On July 10 2024 07:46 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2024 05:35 KwarK wrote:On July 10 2024 05:14 Magic Powers wrote:
I used to be in right-wing circles. Let me assure you all in this thread that, yes, black people are definitely a target of American fascists. They hate them and ideally they want to round them up and deport them all. Or at the very least segregate them.
And that's just the fascists. Even less extreme racists are very anti-black, and they will support plenty of anti-black policies. The only difference between these two groups is that the fascists are full-blown extremists, while the more common racists have a "look away" type of approach where they let loose the actual fascists and trod along with them, even if they don't like their methods.
The fascists will deport, possibly even kill black people. Fascists are extremely dangerous, and to say black people aren't on their list is absolutely opposite to reality.
While I don't believe American fascism stands a realistic chance, IF it were to happen, black people would absolutely get rounded up, deported, some even murdered. If you don't believe me, you've never spoken to a real fascist before. That’s total nonsense. You’re perhaps imagining neo Nazis when the conversation is about regular garden variety Republicans who will happily vote Trump in the hope that he’ll suspend habeus corpus and put drag queens in Gitmo. We’re not talking about the KKK taking over, we’re talking about Trump taking over. Deporting all African Americans is very much not on the agenda. It was over Trump wins = they’re coming for GH GH will not be getting deported during a Trump presidency. That’s not a sane take. You clearly don't know the first thing about this. You were specifically talking about American fascists, not "garden variety Republicans". You said they are not targeting black people. This is literally what you said. Show nested quote +I don’t envision American fascism going in a hardline “kill all blacks” direction. ... Stop pretending you know so much better than everyone else what you're talking about. You clearly do not know anything about American fascists. I've talked to them for years, I was in some of the same discord groups they frequented daily. The MAIN concern of American fascists is their beloved ethno-state (that's why they love talking about Japan as the model state). Every time there's news of a black person getting killed, they celebrate. The term "nigger" is par for the course, they use it literally all the time, they wouldn't even consider saying "black people". They see black people as nothing but criminals born into criminality and creating criminality. They see black people as the parasites of American society. Getting rid of black people in America is the PRIMARY concern of American fascists. That's their ideology in ESSENCE. Everything else is secondary. They lament the days of whiteness, when America was as white as a fresh sheet of paper. You can't even begin to comprehend the level of racism they display constantly, it's absolutely mindboggling how they operate. They're racist to the bone. Stop talking like you know anything when it's so obvious you don't know anything. Stop pretending your knowledge about fascists supersedes that of people who've talked to actual fascists for years.
You're literally not following the conversation bud.
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What you guys missed/are missing is that this is all really just an elaborate way for Kwark to attack my socialist-ness in a silly effort to berate me.
On July 10 2024 07:39 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2024 06:56 Gorsameth wrote:
not interested in a song and dance with you, your not an idiot. you can put 2 and 2 together yourself. I can, and it doesn't add up to anything you people are saying. GH, while balls deep in his Lenin roleplay, decided that the man would be after him if Trump took power. I, in the mood to call out GH's delusions of being Lenin, told him he was indistinguishable from their supporters and that he would be safe from the man. ...
That's why he's blathering on about this nonsense that fascism won't be a threat to me specifically.
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On July 10 2024 07:51 GreenHorizons wrote:What you guys missed/are missing is that this is all really just an elaborate way for Kwark to attack my socialist-ness in a silly effort to berate me. Show nested quote +On July 10 2024 07:39 KwarK wrote:On July 10 2024 06:56 Gorsameth wrote:
not interested in a song and dance with you, your not an idiot. you can put 2 and 2 together yourself. I can, and it doesn't add up to anything you people are saying. GH, while balls deep in his Lenin roleplay, decided that the man would be after him if Trump took power. I, in the mood to call out GH's delusions of being Lenin, told him he was indistinguishable from their supporters and that he would be safe from the man. ... That's why he's blathering on about this nonsense that fascism won't be a threat to me specifically.
Exactly. I was literally just taking the piss out of the absurdity of GH's delusions of importance. That's all this was before Zambrah lost his fucking mind.
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On July 10 2024 07:53 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2024 07:51 GreenHorizons wrote:What you guys missed/are missing is that this is all really just an elaborate way for Kwark to attack my socialist-ness in a silly effort to berate me. On July 10 2024 07:39 KwarK wrote:On July 10 2024 06:56 Gorsameth wrote:
not interested in a song and dance with you, your not an idiot. you can put 2 and 2 together yourself. I can, and it doesn't add up to anything you people are saying. GH, while balls deep in his Lenin roleplay, decided that the man would be after him if Trump took power. I, in the mood to call out GH's delusions of being Lenin, told him he was indistinguishable from their supporters and that he would be safe from the man. ... That's why he's blathering on about this nonsense that fascism won't be a threat to me specifically. Exactly. I was literally just taking the piss out of the absurdity of GH's delusions of importance. That's all this was before Zambrah lost his fucking mind.
The problem is that everyone can see that you're operating in bad faith.
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On July 10 2024 07:50 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2024 07:46 Magic Powers wrote:On July 10 2024 05:35 KwarK wrote:On July 10 2024 05:14 Magic Powers wrote:
I used to be in right-wing circles. Let me assure you all in this thread that, yes, black people are definitely a target of American fascists. They hate them and ideally they want to round them up and deport them all. Or at the very least segregate them.
And that's just the fascists. Even less extreme racists are very anti-black, and they will support plenty of anti-black policies. The only difference between these two groups is that the fascists are full-blown extremists, while the more common racists have a "look away" type of approach where they let loose the actual fascists and trod along with them, even if they don't like their methods.
The fascists will deport, possibly even kill black people. Fascists are extremely dangerous, and to say black people aren't on their list is absolutely opposite to reality.
While I don't believe American fascism stands a realistic chance, IF it were to happen, black people would absolutely get rounded up, deported, some even murdered. If you don't believe me, you've never spoken to a real fascist before. That’s total nonsense. You’re perhaps imagining neo Nazis when the conversation is about regular garden variety Republicans who will happily vote Trump in the hope that he’ll suspend habeus corpus and put drag queens in Gitmo. We’re not talking about the KKK taking over, we’re talking about Trump taking over. Deporting all African Americans is very much not on the agenda. It was over Trump wins = they’re coming for GH GH will not be getting deported during a Trump presidency. That’s not a sane take. You clearly don't know the first thing about this. You were specifically talking about American fascists, not "garden variety Republicans". You said they are not targeting black people. This is literally what you said. I don’t envision American fascism going in a hardline “kill all blacks” direction. American fascists are very clear on who their out groups are. ... African Americans aren’t on the list. Stop pretending you know so much better than everyone else what you're talking about. You clearly do not know anything about American fascists. I've talked to them for years, I was in some of the same discord groups they frequented daily. The MAIN concern of American fascists is their beloved ethno-state (that's why they love talking about Japan as the model state). Every time there's news of a black person getting killed, they celebrate. The term "nigger" is par for the course, they use it literally all the time, they wouldn't even consider saying "black people". They see black people as nothing but criminals born into criminality and creating criminality. They see black people as the parasites of American society. Getting rid of black people in America is the PRIMARY concern of American fascists. That's their ideology in ESSENCE. Everything else is secondary. They lament the days of whiteness, when America was as white as a fresh sheet of paper. You can't even begin to comprehend the level of racism they display constantly, it's absolutely mindboggling how they operate. They're racist to the bone. Stop talking like you know anything when it's so obvious you don't know anything. Stop pretending your knowledge about fascists supersedes that of people who've talked to actual fascists for years. You're literally not following the conversation bud.
Buddy, if you misuse the term "fascists", don't blame others for correcting you. Admit when you're wrong, try it. It's a good thing to do every once in a while.
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On July 10 2024 07:57 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2024 07:53 KwarK wrote:On July 10 2024 07:51 GreenHorizons wrote:What you guys missed/are missing is that this is all really just an elaborate way for Kwark to attack my socialist-ness in a silly effort to berate me. On July 10 2024 07:39 KwarK wrote:On July 10 2024 06:56 Gorsameth wrote:
not interested in a song and dance with you, your not an idiot. you can put 2 and 2 together yourself. I can, and it doesn't add up to anything you people are saying. GH, while balls deep in his Lenin roleplay, decided that the man would be after him if Trump took power. I, in the mood to call out GH's delusions of being Lenin, told him he was indistinguishable from their supporters and that he would be safe from the man. ... That's why he's blathering on about this nonsense that fascism won't be a threat to me specifically. Exactly. I was literally just taking the piss out of the absurdity of GH's delusions of importance. That's all this was before Zambrah lost his fucking mind. The problem is that everyone can see that you're operating in bad faith.
I'm not operating in bad faith, when I take the piss out of your delusions I absolutely mean every word of it. I really do think you're a risible character. My mockery of you and your committed online roleplay is wholly sincere and heartfelt.
It's possible that you just unable to hear it over the thunderous sound of the man battering down your door to drag you away though.
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On July 10 2024 08:02 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2024 07:50 KwarK wrote:On July 10 2024 07:46 Magic Powers wrote:On July 10 2024 05:35 KwarK wrote:On July 10 2024 05:14 Magic Powers wrote:
I used to be in right-wing circles. Let me assure you all in this thread that, yes, black people are definitely a target of American fascists. They hate them and ideally they want to round them up and deport them all. Or at the very least segregate them.
And that's just the fascists. Even less extreme racists are very anti-black, and they will support plenty of anti-black policies. The only difference between these two groups is that the fascists are full-blown extremists, while the more common racists have a "look away" type of approach where they let loose the actual fascists and trod along with them, even if they don't like their methods.
The fascists will deport, possibly even kill black people. Fascists are extremely dangerous, and to say black people aren't on their list is absolutely opposite to reality.
While I don't believe American fascism stands a realistic chance, IF it were to happen, black people would absolutely get rounded up, deported, some even murdered. If you don't believe me, you've never spoken to a real fascist before. That’s total nonsense. You’re perhaps imagining neo Nazis when the conversation is about regular garden variety Republicans who will happily vote Trump in the hope that he’ll suspend habeus corpus and put drag queens in Gitmo. We’re not talking about the KKK taking over, we’re talking about Trump taking over. Deporting all African Americans is very much not on the agenda. It was over Trump wins = they’re coming for GH GH will not be getting deported during a Trump presidency. That’s not a sane take. You clearly don't know the first thing about this. You were specifically talking about American fascists, not "garden variety Republicans". You said they are not targeting black people. This is literally what you said. I don’t envision American fascism going in a hardline “kill all blacks” direction. American fascists are very clear on who their out groups are. ... African Americans aren’t on the list. Stop pretending you know so much better than everyone else what you're talking about. You clearly do not know anything about American fascists. I've talked to them for years, I was in some of the same discord groups they frequented daily. The MAIN concern of American fascists is their beloved ethno-state (that's why they love talking about Japan as the model state). Every time there's news of a black person getting killed, they celebrate. The term "nigger" is par for the course, they use it literally all the time, they wouldn't even consider saying "black people". They see black people as nothing but criminals born into criminality and creating criminality. They see black people as the parasites of American society. Getting rid of black people in America is the PRIMARY concern of American fascists. That's their ideology in ESSENCE. Everything else is secondary. They lament the days of whiteness, when America was as white as a fresh sheet of paper. You can't even begin to comprehend the level of racism they display constantly, it's absolutely mindboggling how they operate. They're racist to the bone. Stop talking like you know anything when it's so obvious you don't know anything. Stop pretending your knowledge about fascists supersedes that of people who've talked to actual fascists for years. You're literally not following the conversation bud. Buddy, if you misuse the term "fascists", don't blame others for correcting you. Admit when you're wrong, try it. It's a good thing to do every once in a while.
If you see the word fascists and jump in to explain your lengthy history as a member of fascist groups then I am being charitable in the extreme by refusing to take the opportunity offered. In your position, and given your unusual posting history, I would probably just take the charity and walk away.
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On July 10 2024 08:09 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2024 08:02 Magic Powers wrote:On July 10 2024 07:50 KwarK wrote:On July 10 2024 07:46 Magic Powers wrote:On July 10 2024 05:35 KwarK wrote:On July 10 2024 05:14 Magic Powers wrote:
I used to be in right-wing circles. Let me assure you all in this thread that, yes, black people are definitely a target of American fascists. They hate them and ideally they want to round them up and deport them all. Or at the very least segregate them.
And that's just the fascists. Even less extreme racists are very anti-black, and they will support plenty of anti-black policies. The only difference between these two groups is that the fascists are full-blown extremists, while the more common racists have a "look away" type of approach where they let loose the actual fascists and trod along with them, even if they don't like their methods.
The fascists will deport, possibly even kill black people. Fascists are extremely dangerous, and to say black people aren't on their list is absolutely opposite to reality.
While I don't believe American fascism stands a realistic chance, IF it were to happen, black people would absolutely get rounded up, deported, some even murdered. If you don't believe me, you've never spoken to a real fascist before. That’s total nonsense. You’re perhaps imagining neo Nazis when the conversation is about regular garden variety Republicans who will happily vote Trump in the hope that he’ll suspend habeus corpus and put drag queens in Gitmo. We’re not talking about the KKK taking over, we’re talking about Trump taking over. Deporting all African Americans is very much not on the agenda. It was over Trump wins = they’re coming for GH GH will not be getting deported during a Trump presidency. That’s not a sane take. You clearly don't know the first thing about this. You were specifically talking about American fascists, not "garden variety Republicans". You said they are not targeting black people. This is literally what you said. I don’t envision American fascism going in a hardline “kill all blacks” direction. American fascists are very clear on who their out groups are. ... African Americans aren’t on the list. Stop pretending you know so much better than everyone else what you're talking about. You clearly do not know anything about American fascists. I've talked to them for years, I was in some of the same discord groups they frequented daily. The MAIN concern of American fascists is their beloved ethno-state (that's why they love talking about Japan as the model state). Every time there's news of a black person getting killed, they celebrate. The term "nigger" is par for the course, they use it literally all the time, they wouldn't even consider saying "black people". They see black people as nothing but criminals born into criminality and creating criminality. They see black people as the parasites of American society. Getting rid of black people in America is the PRIMARY concern of American fascists. That's their ideology in ESSENCE. Everything else is secondary. They lament the days of whiteness, when America was as white as a fresh sheet of paper. You can't even begin to comprehend the level of racism they display constantly, it's absolutely mindboggling how they operate. They're racist to the bone. Stop talking like you know anything when it's so obvious you don't know anything. Stop pretending your knowledge about fascists supersedes that of people who've talked to actual fascists for years. You're literally not following the conversation bud. Buddy, if you misuse the term "fascists", don't blame others for correcting you. Admit when you're wrong, try it. It's a good thing to do every once in a while. If you see the word fascists and jump in to explain your lengthy history as a member of fascist groups then I am being charitable in the extreme by refusing to take the opportunity offered. In your position, and given your unusual posting history, I would probably just take the charity and walk away.
There we go again with your wild accusations. I said I was in the same circles that fascists visit, not part of a fascist group. That means groups discussing a variety of politics all around the globe.
But because you're being criticized and you have absolutely no valid response, your immediate reaction is an ad hominem. That's all you have.
Are you ever going to face any consequences for your abusive behavior? Anyone in the moderator team interested in speaking sense into you or is that not of concern for anyone? What's going on?
I'm going to leave this website if you continue to get away with abusing people like that. You're by far the worst of all the commentors in the forum. BY FAR! Super abusive AND mod privileges. It's unbelievable that you think this is acceptable.
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United States43210 Posts
On July 10 2024 08:16 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2024 08:09 KwarK wrote:On July 10 2024 08:02 Magic Powers wrote:On July 10 2024 07:50 KwarK wrote:On July 10 2024 07:46 Magic Powers wrote:On July 10 2024 05:35 KwarK wrote:On July 10 2024 05:14 Magic Powers wrote:
I used to be in right-wing circles. Let me assure you all in this thread that, yes, black people are definitely a target of American fascists. They hate them and ideally they want to round them up and deport them all. Or at the very least segregate them.
And that's just the fascists. Even less extreme racists are very anti-black, and they will support plenty of anti-black policies. The only difference between these two groups is that the fascists are full-blown extremists, while the more common racists have a "look away" type of approach where they let loose the actual fascists and trod along with them, even if they don't like their methods.
The fascists will deport, possibly even kill black people. Fascists are extremely dangerous, and to say black people aren't on their list is absolutely opposite to reality.
While I don't believe American fascism stands a realistic chance, IF it were to happen, black people would absolutely get rounded up, deported, some even murdered. If you don't believe me, you've never spoken to a real fascist before. That’s total nonsense. You’re perhaps imagining neo Nazis when the conversation is about regular garden variety Republicans who will happily vote Trump in the hope that he’ll suspend habeus corpus and put drag queens in Gitmo. We’re not talking about the KKK taking over, we’re talking about Trump taking over. Deporting all African Americans is very much not on the agenda. It was over Trump wins = they’re coming for GH GH will not be getting deported during a Trump presidency. That’s not a sane take. You clearly don't know the first thing about this. You were specifically talking about American fascists, not "garden variety Republicans". You said they are not targeting black people. This is literally what you said. I don’t envision American fascism going in a hardline “kill all blacks” direction. American fascists are very clear on who their out groups are. ... African Americans aren’t on the list. Stop pretending you know so much better than everyone else what you're talking about. You clearly do not know anything about American fascists. I've talked to them for years, I was in some of the same discord groups they frequented daily. The MAIN concern of American fascists is their beloved ethno-state (that's why they love talking about Japan as the model state). Every time there's news of a black person getting killed, they celebrate. The term "nigger" is par for the course, they use it literally all the time, they wouldn't even consider saying "black people". They see black people as nothing but criminals born into criminality and creating criminality. They see black people as the parasites of American society. Getting rid of black people in America is the PRIMARY concern of American fascists. That's their ideology in ESSENCE. Everything else is secondary. They lament the days of whiteness, when America was as white as a fresh sheet of paper. You can't even begin to comprehend the level of racism they display constantly, it's absolutely mindboggling how they operate. They're racist to the bone. Stop talking like you know anything when it's so obvious you don't know anything. Stop pretending your knowledge about fascists supersedes that of people who've talked to actual fascists for years. You're literally not following the conversation bud. Buddy, if you misuse the term "fascists", don't blame others for correcting you. Admit when you're wrong, try it. It's a good thing to do every once in a while. If you see the word fascists and jump in to explain your lengthy history as a member of fascist groups then I am being charitable in the extreme by refusing to take the opportunity offered. In your position, and given your unusual posting history, I would probably just take the charity and walk away. There we go again with your wild accusations. I said I was in the same circles that fascists visit, not part of a fascist group. That means groups discussing a variety of politics all around the globe. But because you're being criticized and you have absolutely no valid response, your immediate reaction is an ad hominem. That's all you have. Are you ever going to face any consequences for your abusive behavior? Anyone in the moderator team interested in speaking sense into you or is that not of concern for anyone? What's going on? I'm going to leave this website if you continue to get away with abusing people like that. You're by far the worst of all the commentors in the forum. BY FAR! Super abusive AND mod privileges. It's unbelievable that you think this is acceptable.
You’re the one jumping into a discussion you’re not understanding (it was about Trumpism, not Nazis, when GH talks about fascists he means the Democrats and everyone to the right of them, we’re accepting his nomenclature as the price to entry for his discussion) and bragging about how much time you’ve spent being in right wing circles and discords overrun with Nazis. Nobody made you do that. Just like nobody made you insist that the Wehrmacht weren’t involved in genocide or that Germany has no history of antisemitism (???) or nobody made you bring up your Nazi grandpa. You just keep sharing these gems.
It’s weird though. The vast, vast majority of people on this site seem to go years without me drawing their attention to how many Nazi talking points they use. How strange that the one guy who I happened to randomly accuse of repeating Nazi talking points happened to be the one with the long history in far right wing circles. Just luck I guess.
Personally I can’t wait for our next exchange. I’m curious to find out what weird thing you’ll bring up next. If I had to guess then a collection of Nazi memorabilia for “historical purposes” but you always surprise me.
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On July 10 2024 08:29 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2024 08:16 Magic Powers wrote:On July 10 2024 08:09 KwarK wrote:On July 10 2024 08:02 Magic Powers wrote:On July 10 2024 07:50 KwarK wrote:On July 10 2024 07:46 Magic Powers wrote:On July 10 2024 05:35 KwarK wrote:On July 10 2024 05:14 Magic Powers wrote:
I used to be in right-wing circles. Let me assure you all in this thread that, yes, black people are definitely a target of American fascists. They hate them and ideally they want to round them up and deport them all. Or at the very least segregate them.
And that's just the fascists. Even less extreme racists are very anti-black, and they will support plenty of anti-black policies. The only difference between these two groups is that the fascists are full-blown extremists, while the more common racists have a "look away" type of approach where they let loose the actual fascists and trod along with them, even if they don't like their methods.
The fascists will deport, possibly even kill black people. Fascists are extremely dangerous, and to say black people aren't on their list is absolutely opposite to reality.
While I don't believe American fascism stands a realistic chance, IF it were to happen, black people would absolutely get rounded up, deported, some even murdered. If you don't believe me, you've never spoken to a real fascist before. That’s total nonsense. You’re perhaps imagining neo Nazis when the conversation is about regular garden variety Republicans who will happily vote Trump in the hope that he’ll suspend habeus corpus and put drag queens in Gitmo. We’re not talking about the KKK taking over, we’re talking about Trump taking over. Deporting all African Americans is very much not on the agenda. It was over Trump wins = they’re coming for GH GH will not be getting deported during a Trump presidency. That’s not a sane take. You clearly don't know the first thing about this. You were specifically talking about American fascists, not "garden variety Republicans". You said they are not targeting black people. This is literally what you said. I don’t envision American fascism going in a hardline “kill all blacks” direction. American fascists are very clear on who their out groups are. ... African Americans aren’t on the list. Stop pretending you know so much better than everyone else what you're talking about. You clearly do not know anything about American fascists. I've talked to them for years, I was in some of the same discord groups they frequented daily. The MAIN concern of American fascists is their beloved ethno-state (that's why they love talking about Japan as the model state). Every time there's news of a black person getting killed, they celebrate. The term "nigger" is par for the course, they use it literally all the time, they wouldn't even consider saying "black people". They see black people as nothing but criminals born into criminality and creating criminality. They see black people as the parasites of American society. Getting rid of black people in America is the PRIMARY concern of American fascists. That's their ideology in ESSENCE. Everything else is secondary. They lament the days of whiteness, when America was as white as a fresh sheet of paper. You can't even begin to comprehend the level of racism they display constantly, it's absolutely mindboggling how they operate. They're racist to the bone. Stop talking like you know anything when it's so obvious you don't know anything. Stop pretending your knowledge about fascists supersedes that of people who've talked to actual fascists for years. You're literally not following the conversation bud. Buddy, if you misuse the term "fascists", don't blame others for correcting you. Admit when you're wrong, try it. It's a good thing to do every once in a while. If you see the word fascists and jump in to explain your lengthy history as a member of fascist groups then I am being charitable in the extreme by refusing to take the opportunity offered. In your position, and given your unusual posting history, I would probably just take the charity and walk away. There we go again with your wild accusations. I said I was in the same circles that fascists visit, not part of a fascist group. That means groups discussing a variety of politics all around the globe. But because you're being criticized and you have absolutely no valid response, your immediate reaction is an ad hominem. That's all you have. Are you ever going to face any consequences for your abusive behavior? Anyone in the moderator team interested in speaking sense into you or is that not of concern for anyone? What's going on? I'm going to leave this website if you continue to get away with abusing people like that. You're by far the worst of all the commentors in the forum. BY FAR! Super abusive AND mod privileges. It's unbelievable that you think this is acceptable. You’re the one jumping into a discussion you’re not understanding (it was about Trumpism, not Nazis, when GH talks about fascists he means the Democrats and everyone to the right of them, we’re accepting his nomenclature as the price to entry for his discussion) and bragging about how much time you’ve spent being in right wing circles and discords overrun with Nazis. Nobody made you do that. Just like nobody made you insist that the Wehrmacht weren’t involved in genocide or that Germany has no history of antisemitism (???) or nobody made you bring up your Nazi grandpa. You just keep sharing these gems. It’s weird though. The vast, vast majority of people on this site seem to go years without me drawing their attention to how many Nazi talking points they use. How strange that the one guy who I happened to randomly accuse of repeating Nazi talking points happened to be the one with the long history in far right wing circles. Just luck I guess. Personally I can’t wait for our next exchange. I’m curious to find out what weird thing you’ll bring up next. If I had to guess then a collection of Nazi memorabilia for “historical purposes” but you always surprise me.
If GH misuses the term "fascism" and then you continue to misuse the term, is that your fault or is it GH's fault?
It's your fault. And it's also his fault. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Your Nazi accusations towards me are a consequence of your personal grudge. You attack people instead of attacking their arguments when you don't know what to say. This is your personal weakness, and it's unacceptable what you're doing. You need to learn a very important lesson, and that lesson has not been taught to you in recent times.
Either you stop this behavior immediately or I'm gone by tomorrow.
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Northern Ireland26018 Posts
On July 10 2024 07:53 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2024 07:51 GreenHorizons wrote:What you guys missed/are missing is that this is all really just an elaborate way for Kwark to attack my socialist-ness in a silly effort to berate me. On July 10 2024 07:39 KwarK wrote:On July 10 2024 06:56 Gorsameth wrote:
not interested in a song and dance with you, your not an idiot. you can put 2 and 2 together yourself. I can, and it doesn't add up to anything you people are saying. GH, while balls deep in his Lenin roleplay, decided that the man would be after him if Trump took power. I, in the mood to call out GH's delusions of being Lenin, told him he was indistinguishable from their supporters and that he would be safe from the man. ... That's why he's blathering on about this nonsense that fascism won't be a threat to me specifically. Exactly. I was literally just taking the piss out of the absurdity of GH's delusions of importance. That's all this was before Zambrah lost his fucking mind.
You don’t have to be anyone of importance to do rather badly under authoritarian regimes of various kinds, be it by virtue of innate characteristics or belief systems one may hold.
Of course what even worst case Trumpian America looks like probably isn’t the Fourth Reich, sure but I don’t think those are observations indicative of a delusion of grandeur
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