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On August 05 2021 07:28 Sermokala wrote:
Someone having the confidence to say that they think that we would wish all the kids getting covid kinda broke me.
I'm starting to get really pissed at all these pro-covid people out here. They want the freedom to drive drunk and will do anything to justify killing themselves and other people.
I’m far more exasperated, by far than I gain solace from the libertarian worldview being destroyed in real time, but at least there is the latter.
I mean besides the clear inability for their proposed society to remotely deal with something as obviously detrimental to everyone as a pandemic, never mind more contentious things, seeing ostensible libertarians rail against private businesses bringing in vaccine passports as tyrannical is darkly hilarious
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On August 05 2021 08:20 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2021 08:02 LegalLord wrote:On August 04 2021 22:41 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
There are more people working harder to not mask instead of just wearing a mask and being done with it. It's like people trying to skip out on work. Just wear the mask. Get the vaccine. Whatever Olympic gymnastic floor event you have your brain doing to convince you to not do the smallest of mitigation, stop. More energy spent fighting something that will hopefully speed up the road to recovery instead of being part of the solution. I'll never understand it. Ideally we have compulsory vaccinations for all, mandatory mask-wearing indoors and outdoors, and full lockdown that bars all non-essential activities. It's just that simple and I have no idea why people could possibly be opposed to that. Because it probably won't work because no part of the US government has the stomach to arrest enough of the people who violate those conditions. All such a situation will end up with is a sort of double standard where all the costs are borne by the middle classes, while the lower and upper classes flaunt the orders with little to no consequences (like we've seen throughout any of the orders).
It's not the government's job to arrest people who flaunt the orders. It's the responsibility of neighbors to refuse to serve those people. Even if it hits their bottom line, by refusing service to people who refuse to follow these rules lets them know they can either go hungry/without necessities or get in line with the mitigation measures placed. It's for people to stop being Simone Biles in their mental capacity to find a workaround to wearing a mask or getting the vaccine.
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On August 05 2021 08:02 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2021 22:41 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
There are more people working harder to not mask instead of just wearing a mask and being done with it. It's like people trying to skip out on work. Just wear the mask. Get the vaccine. Whatever Olympic gymnastic floor event you have your brain doing to convince you to not do the smallest of mitigation, stop. More energy spent fighting something that will hopefully speed up the road to recovery instead of being part of the solution. I'll never understand it. Ideally we have compulsory vaccinations for all, mandatory mask-wearing indoors and outdoors, and full lockdown that bars all non-essential activities. It's just that simple and I have no idea why people could possibly be opposed to that.
I agree it would be great if we could get this pandemic sorted out in a week instead of a few years but I guess we have to allow children to die instead of confronting stupid people.
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it is absolutely the responsibility of the government, though i am a little worried about vaccination mandates. to a degree i think there’s a precedent, and one that i guess, in this case, could be heavily leaned on. can’t go to school or any other publicly funded place without some record of vaccination. but still, hard to enforce.
it can not be left up to society. how would one identify an anti vaxxer, a self administered scarlet letter? that’s a joke.
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If they want to self identify that way in public I'm very interested in that.
Especially when they're actively advocating for the mortal danger of the people who cannot get the vaccine.
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On August 05 2021 07:28 Sermokala wrote:
Someone having the confidence to say that they think that we would wish all the kids getting covid kinda broke me.
I'm starting to get really pissed at all these pro-covid people out here. They want the freedom to drive drunk and will do anything to justify killing themselves and other people.
It didn't take long after the delta variant was said to spread as quickly as chickenpox until I saw people talk about COVID chickenpox parties again.
Stupid's gonna stupid.
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Anti-vaxxers have been trying to frame it as an individual thing from the beginning, and that their choice not to get the vaccine only affects themselves. While that lines up neatly with the prevailing attitude that no one matters except themselves, it's not how the shit works. Your choice to not get vaccinated affects literally everyone around you, and I wish we could declare these people as something like biological terrorists for knowingly spreading a disease and further destabilizing society, but of course it can't be that simple. As usual we have to coddle the belligerent idiots who think they're being oppressed.
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On August 05 2021 08:36 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2021 08:20 cLutZ wrote:On August 05 2021 08:02 LegalLord wrote:On August 04 2021 22:41 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
There are more people working harder to not mask instead of just wearing a mask and being done with it. It's like people trying to skip out on work. Just wear the mask. Get the vaccine. Whatever Olympic gymnastic floor event you have your brain doing to convince you to not do the smallest of mitigation, stop. More energy spent fighting something that will hopefully speed up the road to recovery instead of being part of the solution. I'll never understand it. Ideally we have compulsory vaccinations for all, mandatory mask-wearing indoors and outdoors, and full lockdown that bars all non-essential activities. It's just that simple and I have no idea why people could possibly be opposed to that. Because it probably won't work because no part of the US government has the stomach to arrest enough of the people who violate those conditions. All such a situation will end up with is a sort of double standard where all the costs are borne by the middle classes, while the lower and upper classes flaunt the orders with little to no consequences (like we've seen throughout any of the orders). It's not the government's job to arrest people who flaunt the orders. It's the responsibility of neighbors to refuse to serve those people. Even if it hits their bottom line, by refusing service to people who refuse to follow these rules lets them know they can either go hungry/without necessities or get in line with the mitigation measures placed. It's for people to stop being Simone Biles in their mental capacity to find a workaround to wearing a mask or getting the vaccine.
Have you ever arrested your neighbor for doing an illegal thing? Do you realize how ridiculous this idea is? Almost every private party will lose such a court action. There are people who do citizens arrests on rapists, burglars, and murderers who end up having to pay hospital bills for the people they apprehended.
Let us just go back to April 2020. Almost every major city had lockdown orders where only essential shopping (aka food) was allowed. How many people were incarcerated for violating those orders? In my city, the answer is zero. The people who were fined were, as I stated, the middle class having fairly responsible (given the overall environment) gatherings. Meanwhile, there were multiple parties that were catered to the underclass that were ignored. I'd estimate 1/3 of my previous neighborhood should have been detained and quarantined if the law was perfect. That is, one part of a major city requiring 10k+ arrests.
And it gets even more ridiculous when you realize the problem is happening at the same time as a real spike in actual crimes like murder, shootings, and assault, which is the case of the current time.
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On August 05 2021 14:12 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2021 08:36 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 05 2021 08:20 cLutZ wrote:On August 05 2021 08:02 LegalLord wrote:On August 04 2021 22:41 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
There are more people working harder to not mask instead of just wearing a mask and being done with it. It's like people trying to skip out on work. Just wear the mask. Get the vaccine. Whatever Olympic gymnastic floor event you have your brain doing to convince you to not do the smallest of mitigation, stop. More energy spent fighting something that will hopefully speed up the road to recovery instead of being part of the solution. I'll never understand it. Ideally we have compulsory vaccinations for all, mandatory mask-wearing indoors and outdoors, and full lockdown that bars all non-essential activities. It's just that simple and I have no idea why people could possibly be opposed to that. Because it probably won't work because no part of the US government has the stomach to arrest enough of the people who violate those conditions. All such a situation will end up with is a sort of double standard where all the costs are borne by the middle classes, while the lower and upper classes flaunt the orders with little to no consequences (like we've seen throughout any of the orders). It's not the government's job to arrest people who flaunt the orders. It's the responsibility of neighbors to refuse to serve those people. Even if it hits their bottom line, by refusing service to people who refuse to follow these rules lets them know they can either go hungry/without necessities or get in line with the mitigation measures placed. It's for people to stop being Simone Biles in their mental capacity to find a workaround to wearing a mask or getting the vaccine. Have you ever arrested your neighbor for doing an illegal thing? Do you realize how ridiculous this idea is? Almost every private party will lose such a court action. There are people who do citizens arrests on rapists, burglars, and murderers who end up having to pay hospital bills for the people they apprehended.
I suggest re-reading their post. ZerOCoolSC2 didn't state people should be arresting their neighbors. They stated people should be refusing to serve them.
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On August 05 2021 14:48 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2021 14:12 cLutZ wrote:On August 05 2021 08:36 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 05 2021 08:20 cLutZ wrote:On August 05 2021 08:02 LegalLord wrote:On August 04 2021 22:41 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
There are more people working harder to not mask instead of just wearing a mask and being done with it. It's like people trying to skip out on work. Just wear the mask. Get the vaccine. Whatever Olympic gymnastic floor event you have your brain doing to convince you to not do the smallest of mitigation, stop. More energy spent fighting something that will hopefully speed up the road to recovery instead of being part of the solution. I'll never understand it. Ideally we have compulsory vaccinations for all, mandatory mask-wearing indoors and outdoors, and full lockdown that bars all non-essential activities. It's just that simple and I have no idea why people could possibly be opposed to that. Because it probably won't work because no part of the US government has the stomach to arrest enough of the people who violate those conditions. All such a situation will end up with is a sort of double standard where all the costs are borne by the middle classes, while the lower and upper classes flaunt the orders with little to no consequences (like we've seen throughout any of the orders). It's not the government's job to arrest people who flaunt the orders. It's the responsibility of neighbors to refuse to serve those people. Even if it hits their bottom line, by refusing service to people who refuse to follow these rules lets them know they can either go hungry/without necessities or get in line with the mitigation measures placed. It's for people to stop being Simone Biles in their mental capacity to find a workaround to wearing a mask or getting the vaccine. Have you ever arrested your neighbor for doing an illegal thing? Do you realize how ridiculous this idea is? Almost every private party will lose such a court action. There are people who do citizens arrests on rapists, burglars, and murderers who end up having to pay hospital bills for the people they apprehended. I suggest re-reading their post. ZerOCoolSC2 didn't state people should be arresting their neighbors. They stated people should be refusing to serve them.
Thank you.
To add, I'm against the government trying to enforce policies unless it's in the form of withholding federal aid to states that flaunt the policies and encourage people to go without wearing masks or not strongly urging their citizens to get the vaccine. I don't want the government going after people who cannot afford to get the vaccine or miss work because of their socioeconomic status in life. That would undoubtedly affect more poor working people than middle or upper class people. But I also don't want people to think that they can just care about themselves and still receive the same treatment as those who are trying to follow the mitigation measures. That selfishness is putting lives in danger for no reason when you can do something simple to prevent the spread of variants.
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On August 05 2021 14:48 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2021 14:12 cLutZ wrote:On August 05 2021 08:36 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 05 2021 08:20 cLutZ wrote:On August 05 2021 08:02 LegalLord wrote:On August 04 2021 22:41 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
There are more people working harder to not mask instead of just wearing a mask and being done with it. It's like people trying to skip out on work. Just wear the mask. Get the vaccine. Whatever Olympic gymnastic floor event you have your brain doing to convince you to not do the smallest of mitigation, stop. More energy spent fighting something that will hopefully speed up the road to recovery instead of being part of the solution. I'll never understand it. Ideally we have compulsory vaccinations for all, mandatory mask-wearing indoors and outdoors, and full lockdown that bars all non-essential activities. It's just that simple and I have no idea why people could possibly be opposed to that. Because it probably won't work because no part of the US government has the stomach to arrest enough of the people who violate those conditions. All such a situation will end up with is a sort of double standard where all the costs are borne by the middle classes, while the lower and upper classes flaunt the orders with little to no consequences (like we've seen throughout any of the orders). It's not the government's job to arrest people who flaunt the orders. It's the responsibility of neighbors to refuse to serve those people. Even if it hits their bottom line, by refusing service to people who refuse to follow these rules lets them know they can either go hungry/without necessities or get in line with the mitigation measures placed. It's for people to stop being Simone Biles in their mental capacity to find a workaround to wearing a mask or getting the vaccine. Have you ever arrested your neighbor for doing an illegal thing? Do you realize how ridiculous this idea is? Almost every private party will lose such a court action. There are people who do citizens arrests on rapists, burglars, and murderers who end up having to pay hospital bills for the people they apprehended. I suggest re-reading their post. ZerOCoolSC2 didn't state people should be arresting their neighbors. They stated people should be refusing to serve them.
And what do you say to the store owner that gets hit with a discrimination lawsuit because 90% of the people they are refusing service to are a minority (which will happen in most urban areas)?
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That hasnt worked as an excuse for 50 years. If I hire based on SAT scores, not race the same thing happens.
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On August 06 2021 00:21 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2021 14:48 StasisField wrote:On August 05 2021 14:12 cLutZ wrote:On August 05 2021 08:36 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 05 2021 08:20 cLutZ wrote:On August 05 2021 08:02 LegalLord wrote:On August 04 2021 22:41 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
There are more people working harder to not mask instead of just wearing a mask and being done with it. It's like people trying to skip out on work. Just wear the mask. Get the vaccine. Whatever Olympic gymnastic floor event you have your brain doing to convince you to not do the smallest of mitigation, stop. More energy spent fighting something that will hopefully speed up the road to recovery instead of being part of the solution. I'll never understand it. Ideally we have compulsory vaccinations for all, mandatory mask-wearing indoors and outdoors, and full lockdown that bars all non-essential activities. It's just that simple and I have no idea why people could possibly be opposed to that. Because it probably won't work because no part of the US government has the stomach to arrest enough of the people who violate those conditions. All such a situation will end up with is a sort of double standard where all the costs are borne by the middle classes, while the lower and upper classes flaunt the orders with little to no consequences (like we've seen throughout any of the orders). It's not the government's job to arrest people who flaunt the orders. It's the responsibility of neighbors to refuse to serve those people. Even if it hits their bottom line, by refusing service to people who refuse to follow these rules lets them know they can either go hungry/without necessities or get in line with the mitigation measures placed. It's for people to stop being Simone Biles in their mental capacity to find a workaround to wearing a mask or getting the vaccine. Have you ever arrested your neighbor for doing an illegal thing? Do you realize how ridiculous this idea is? Almost every private party will lose such a court action. There are people who do citizens arrests on rapists, burglars, and murderers who end up having to pay hospital bills for the people they apprehended. I suggest re-reading their post. ZerOCoolSC2 didn't state people should be arresting their neighbors. They stated people should be refusing to serve them. And what do you say to the store owner that gets hit with a discrimination lawsuit because 90% of the people they are refusing service to are a minority (which will happen in most urban areas)?
It's not discrimination. It's health and welfare. That lawsuit would get thrown out immediately.
Judge: "What's the problem?"
Plaintiff: "I was refused service because I'm not vaccinated and don't wear masks."
Judge: "Why didn't you just wear a mask?"
Plaintiff: "Muh freedom not to."
Judge: "The owner's freedom to deny you service due to an ongoing health crisis. Next case."
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On August 06 2021 00:30 cLutZ wrote:
That hasnt worked as an excuse for 50 years. If I hire based on SAT scores, not race the same thing happens.
This all seems kind of a stretch tbh.
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On August 06 2021 00:45 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2021 00:30 cLutZ wrote:
That hasnt worked as an excuse for 50 years. If I hire based on SAT scores, not race the same thing happens. This all seems kind of a stretch tbh.
It is a stretch, he just doesn’t like anti discrimination laws and is bootstrapping that to his dislike for enforced Covid compliance.
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Can someone give me a reason to keep our current pressure on Cuba? What are we hoping to accomplish? What do we get out of this? This whole situation feels totally nuts. I can understand (not support) various forms of imperialism intended to essentially strengthen the US by siphoning from other countries. But the US appears to just be bullying Cuba. Does anyone still give a shit about Cuba? Who cares? I just don't get it
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