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On October 04 2020 04:42 Nevuk wrote:
So, the story is that Hillary's campaign approved a strategy to invent ties between Trump and Russia. Emphasize ties, sure, that's known. But inventing out of whole cloth is the Russian info story that doodsmack is alleging.
Its the anti trump side that says this is russian disinfo. But it was true info, so if you're going with the politico etc angle you need to explain how it could be disinfo if it turned out to be true.
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On October 04 2020 04:48 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2020 04:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 04 2020 04:42 Nevuk wrote:
So, the story is that Hillary's campaign approved a strategy to invent ties between Trump and Russia. Emphasize ties, sure, that's known. But inventing out of whole cloth is the Russian info story that doodsmack is alleging. What story? Last page,
Could you quote me what you're interpreting as "invent ties between Trump and Russia" or "inventing out of whole cloth is the Russian info story that doodsmack is alleging."
Because I don't see that?
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On October 04 2020 04:48 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2020 04:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 04 2020 04:42 Nevuk wrote:
So, the story is that Hillary's campaign approved a strategy to invent ties between Trump and Russia. Emphasize ties, sure, that's known. But inventing out of whole cloth is the Russian info story that doodsmack is alleging. What story? Last page, https://twitter.com/GOPLeader/status/1311745478103568387
@Doodsmack : "stirring up a scandal by tying Trump to Putin and the russians hacking the DNC"... In what way is that exactly an issue, seeing at everything that came up ? That the russians in fact hacked the DNS, that Wikileaks/Assange was tied to the hackers and to some dudes from the Senate or Trump's campaign team was also linked while whispering at Trump's ears ?
Was it not proven beyond doubt that the GRU was responsible for a lot of shit during that election ?
There's nothing new here, that russian assessment was not even accepted as credible by the Senate committee, and "being referred to the FBI for investigation" is hardly a proof. I mean, the Steele dossier was referred for investigation. Do you thus consider it as truth ??
On December 9, 2016, the CIA told U.S. legislators the U.S. Intelligence Community concluded Russia conducted the cyberattacks and other operations during the 2016 U.S. election to assist Donald Trump in winning the presidency.
So in July they refer this info for investigation, and in December, they *conclude* that the russians DID conduct cyberattacks. It's not an outlandish claim that she would have wanted to tie Trump to that.
The document at no point asserts that Hillary invented claims. Just that they tried to tie the existing hack, proven since then to have been done by Russia, to Trump, who has links to Wikileaks who has links to...
Again, nothing mindblowing. Even Fox news had the news on front page for like... a few hours.
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This entire GOP outbreak is such an enormous embarrassment. I can't believe the level of incompetence here.
This is just so many super important people sharing. That isn’t good. This is directly incorrect from any strategic perspective. It is only incompetence
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On October 04 2020 07:47 Mohdoo wrote:
This entire GOP outbreak is such an enormous embarrassment. I can't believe the level of incompetence here.
This is just so many super important people sharing. That isn’t good. This is directly incorrect from any strategic perspective. It is only incompetence
At start of covid and for quite awhile I actually thought they and other rich people for a long time were just outly projecting the idea that its no big deal so poor people still went to work meanwhile while taking as many precautions as possible and staying in bubbles.
I overestimated them.
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You guys can't be real. Trump is a known, proven and shameless liar asserting all kinds of treason from the opposing side during campaigns. And this is your story? It's nothing!
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On October 04 2020 07:47 Mohdoo wrote:
This entire GOP outbreak is such an enormous embarrassment. I can't believe the level of incompetence here.
This is just so many super important people sharing. That isn’t good. This is directly incorrect from any strategic perspective. It is only incompetence
Grassley was also at the event and in close contact but is not going to test. The GOP is so afraid of losing any more senators they are going to start risking there health and just not test. Dont have to quarantine if you never test right? He is an 87 year old man and a lot of senators are in the high risk group but everything must be sacrificed in there quest for power. The gop is proving to be a huge embarrassment to America, well more so then they already are.
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Mcturtle is also refusing to say if he tested or not
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Who actually pays the presidents medical bills? Is there a high level government worker insurance? Is he privately insured? Does it just go on the invoice pile with golf cart rentals?
It's pretty sad to see him praise Walter Reeds quality care while at the same time trying to remove other peoples healthcare in the courts.
On October 04 2020 07:47 Mohdoo wrote:
This entire GOP outbreak is such an enormous embarrassment. I can't believe the level of incompetence here.
This is just so many super important people sharing. That isn’t good. This is directly incorrect from any strategic perspective. It is only incompetence
Lindsay Graham disagrees. It just all china's fault, no mistakes were made.
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Obamacare should always have put elected leaders and their staffs on the programs they're pushing out. That would have made politicians a bit more careful with that rollout and regulation.
I can get the exclusions for presidency; they have to have a secure command center with the hospital bed.
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On October 04 2020 09:59 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
It's pretty sad to see him praise Walter Reeds quality care while at the same time trying to remove other peoples healthcare in the courts.
I've received medical care at Walter Reed. While I don't defend his policy decisions and actions regarding healthcare overall, I don't see anything wrong with him praising Walter Reed for the medical care they are providing him.
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On October 04 2020 09:59 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Who actually pays the presidents medical bills? Is there a high level government worker insurance? Is he privately insured? Does it just go on the invoice pile with golf cart rentals? It's pretty sad to see him praise Walter Reeds quality care while at the same time trying to remove other peoples healthcare in the courts. Show nested quote +On October 04 2020 07:47 Mohdoo wrote:
This entire GOP outbreak is such an enormous embarrassment. I can't believe the level of incompetence here.
This is just so many super important people sharing. That isn’t good. This is directly incorrect from any strategic perspective. It is only incompetence Lindsay Graham disagrees. It just all china's fault, no mistakes were made. https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1312555286226513921
Specking of Graham, he got manhandled at the debate. I dont think i have ever seen someone lean so hard on the fact that they have an R next to there name. I have not seen someone lose a debate that hard in a long time. Republicans are really pushing the cow angle though. I am starting to think they care about there cows more then there guns.
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On October 04 2020 01:38 Nevuk wrote:Wh press pool put out a statement that is in total contradiction to the Dr's statements. CNN is reporting it. Says he's been doing really badly last 24 hours and there's no clear path to a full recovery. Sometimes there are weeks where decades happen. Story says white house statement, but i don't think it is an official one, to be clear. Show nested quote +The White House press pool has received a statement saying that President Donald Trump’s vitals are “very concerning,” and that he’s “not on a clear path to a full recovery.”
In an official statement from the White House, filed by pool reporter Cheryl Bolen, “a source familiar with the president’s health” who was not identified gave a dire assessment of Trump’s condition.
“The president’s vitals over the last 24 hours were very concerning,” the source said. “And the next 48 hours will be critical in terms of his care. We are still not on a clear path to a full recovery.”
The comments stand in stark contrast to those made moments earlier by Trump’s personal physician, Dr. Sean Conley, who said at a news conference that the president is “doing great.” https://www.mediaite.com/trump/breaking-trump-vitals-very-concerning-according-to-white-house-president-not-on-a-clear-path-to-full-recovery/
Death rate for 74 year Olds is around 4-5% so it's not impossible but nobody knows.Youve got left wing identities like Michael Moore claiming he doesn't even have the virus and he's doing it to get out the debates.
My guess was it could be to hype whatever cure he believes in whether that's hcq, the experimental treatments or something else.But just a theory, like yours.Better to wait and see rather than dwell on conspiracy theories no?
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On October 04 2020 11:01 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2020 10:57 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On October 04 2020 01:38 Nevuk wrote:Wh press pool put out a statement that is in total contradiction to the Dr's statements. CNN is reporting it. Says he's been doing really badly last 24 hours and there's no clear path to a full recovery. Sometimes there are weeks where decades happen. Story says white house statement, but i don't think it is an official one, to be clear. The White House press pool has received a statement saying that President Donald Trump’s vitals are “very concerning,” and that he’s “not on a clear path to a full recovery.”
In an official statement from the White House, filed by pool reporter Cheryl Bolen, “a source familiar with the president’s health” who was not identified gave a dire assessment of Trump’s condition.
“The president’s vitals over the last 24 hours were very concerning,” the source said. “And the next 48 hours will be critical in terms of his care. We are still not on a clear path to a full recovery.”
The comments stand in stark contrast to those made moments earlier by Trump’s personal physician, Dr. Sean Conley, who said at a news conference that the president is “doing great.” https://www.mediaite.com/trump/breaking-trump-vitals-very-concerning-according-to-white-house-president-not-on-a-clear-path-to-full-recovery/ Death rate for 74 year Olds is around 4-5% so it's not impossible but nobody knows.Youve got left wing identities like Michael Moore claiming he doesn't even have the virus and he's doing it to get out the debates. My guess was it could be to hype whatever cure he believes in whether that's hcq, the experimental treatments or something else.But just a theory, like yours.Better to wait and see rather than dwell on conspiracy theories no? I mean it really is not out of the realm of possibility that he had someone else take this test for him, is it? + Show Spoiler + BTW I'm in the hope he recovers camp, want him to lose the election and face some consequences for his actions not the ultimate consequence so soon.
Anything is possible, like I said 'Nobody knows' but to me this feels very strange.The timing and circumstances.2020 is pretty damn crazy.
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I don't think its likely that he's faking the illness if only because everyone around him is catching the virus. That's the real tell in my opinion, unless every Republican is also faking their symptoms. Its a pretty dumb strategy if that's the case, you're telling everyone that you're so god awful at managing the virus that you've turned the Whitehouse into a super spreader location.
Now, can we trust a lot of the backtracking and glowing reports that claim Trump is working hard in hospital, something that is so damn idiotic and clearly done to make Trump sound like a big man? I don't really think so, people with actual flu-like symptoms (not cold by flu) and fatigue are typically made by doctors to rest and not work because that's how you recover. Trump isn't working right now and if he is, Trump and his doctors are idiots. It'd just be more honest if they said he was sitting in the hospital relaxing and recovering like every other sensible coronavirus patient.
Its this sort of problem that has people really mistrust the condition of the president. A whole lot of little things don't really make sense and they're not consistent. In the same vein, its also why people aren't really trusting of any medical cures that he no doubt will hawk if he recovers. There's no altruistic behaviour here, he isn't Jimmy Carter.
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Its stuff like this that makes no one trust the president. Who works like this and why the hell is this obsession with trying to make Trump look like some hotshot big man. Just nothing but poorly staged photo-ops. Its the closest thing I've seen to Soviet era propaganda.
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Are they not able to find paper with something on it?
These things can't be hard to make look real. It could basically be lorem ipsum, but blank?
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If only we had big bad Obama doing fucking professional photo shops. Boom: Country saved.
His latest movie was fine, hope he's back to full strength soon.
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At least they didn't gas all the hospital staff to get them out of the way first.
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On October 04 2020 12:24 Danglars wrote:
If only we had big bad Obama doing fucking professional photo shops. Boom: Country saved.
His latest movie was fine, hope he's back to full strength soon.
Once again it was green screened though, which is really weirding me out!
Also I'm interested in why they've invested in such a charade? Why can't they just say he's using "executive time" to watch Fox News?
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