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JimmiC
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iamthedave
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On June 06 2018 22:51 Plansix wrote: Planned parenthood is the only nationwide medical service that provides abortion services. Think about it, you can’t get an abortion at the hospital or even a primary care facility because they receive federal money. Defunding planned parenthood would eliminate the only place a woman could obtain an abortion in many states. And the reason Planned Parenthood offers abortions is because they not a religious origination and want to provide the medicinal services women are seeking. And they are often the only healthcare service provider for many rural areas. If they are defunded, the services will not be replaced. Mike Pence showed us that. DId he, now? Let me guess, got it outlawed/banned in his state and replaced it with a gigantic middle finger? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 06 2018 23:15 iamthedave wrote: DId he, now? Let me guess, got it outlawed/banned in his state and replaced it with a gigantic middle finger? He cut funding planned parenthood's services in the state and they had a massive HIV outbreak because doing so shut down the only medical services is the poorest areas of the state. It cost the state an army and a leg and is one of the many reasons he was voted out of office. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/07/28/indianas-hiv-outbreak-avoidable-study-says/87668232/?hootPostID=c1e75944f370df6545a7ac19b5eada2f | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On June 06 2018 23:05 JimmiC wrote: I really wish the pro-life movement put all their efforts (money, time, everything) into making every kid who is born life great. They could then use this as reasoning to not do abortions. Right now all that money, time and effort is spent on trying to stop the act, I wish it was spent on trying to eliminate the major reason. They do. They just aren’t reported for doing it. Everybody’s interested in the outrage over saving the baby’s life before it’s aborted. The pro-life ecosystem includes maternity health center that will help mothers choosing to keep the baby with goodies for the pregnancy and for their young baby after birth. They partner with adoption agencies. They help new mothers navigate existing welfare programs in their stare and community. Right now, I see it more like “Well, I haven’t personally seen them doing these things, but then again I haven’t been looking, but still I clearly would’ve heard of this by now if it existed, right?” | ||
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Plansix
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Slaughter
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On June 06 2018 23:36 Danglars wrote: They do. They just aren’t reported for doing it. Everybody’s interested in the outrage over saving the baby’s life before it’s aborted. The pro-life ecosystem includes maternity health center that will help mothers choosing to keep the baby with goodies for the pregnancy and for their young baby after birth. They partner with adoption agencies. They help new mothers navigate existing welfare programs in their stare and community. Right now, I see it more like “Well, I haven’t personally seen them doing these things, but then again I haven’t been looking, but still I clearly would’ve heard of this by now if it existed, right?” A lot of those places also cut new mothers off after a couple of months and mislead them during the pregnancy. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On June 06 2018 14:51 mozoku wrote: Without intentionally taking a side on this one, it did remind me of an article I read recently that touched an interesting idea. Nearly half of you reading this have bullshit jobs It was mostly "eh" article imo (great clickbait title though), but the "goon" category was the interesting part to me and the relevant passage to the discussion. The idea behind a goon is that they only serve a purpose when the other side has their own goons. The examples given include telemarketers, corporate lawyers, and lobbyists. Is this sort of what's happening the US, and will happen more as automation whittles down what actual work is required to meet basic needs? Even in a fully automated society (as far as basic needs go at least), goons are valuable to claim your right to more resources than the other guy. Or to argue for favorable legal treatment for you and your tribe (in the classical, not political sense). And the more goons you have, the better off you'll be... which also applies to the opposing tribe. In theory, you could have an entire society employed as goons. If you asked me, it seems like the goons have greatly multiplied since when I was little. Maybe I just didn't notice them then, idk. I read the original piece that the book was based on in like... 2012? I was still in school at the time, and I remember it really resonating. It hasn't aged well honestly. The concept of goons seems rather flawed. Nature, capitalist society, whatever is competitive. While collaboration is certainly important, everyone has to CYA. So when one side gets an advantage of one sort, the other side needs something to be able to keep up, and then also try and come up with something to keep ahead. On an international scale, you see that with military might. Sure it's possible that both sides could agree to disarm and sing kumbaya (and for some things like nukes it makes sense), but otherwise in a competitive environment it makes sense to avail yourself of what tools you have. The role of a goon may be less individually rewarding/ fulfilling, but it does have value for the 'team' the goon plays on. My personal opinion as a goon is you have to believe in the team you play on and understand your role as part of the whole - and balance that with the extent you feel comfortable selling your soul. This series on people on disability is an interesting related article. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On June 06 2018 14:04 Sermokala wrote: You don't have to explicitly say you have the noral.high ground all you have to do is make up slurs for the other side and hammer anyone who isnt with you with them. Your not calling me a religious evangelical but you work hard to associate me with them when you use terms like "evangelical conservatives" and "the evangelical wing of the gop". By changing the status quo you are asking to change america to make it better. This isnt a new concept but the next development of how the country functions. You are advocating for gay rights over religious rights. Thats okay enough people hate religious people now anyway. Planned parenthood isnt a humanitarian assistance organization like the red cross. If abortion really cost them funding they wouldn't have their organizations name be such an obvious reference to it despite most of what they do having little to do with what the name says. They wouldnt need a superpac if they weren't interested in politics. Ofc I made activism market up thats how language works. We create words to desribe things in order to communicate with each other. Donations support civil rights activism and unless there is some income stream that I'm not aware of that makes it just like model for funding activism in other sectors like gun control and cancer research/awareness. it feels like you're badly misreading/misunderstanding things. which specific slurs are you referring to? that evangelical conservatives are a thing; and that there's an evangelical wing of the gop, don't really seem disputable; so I'm not sure what you're problem is with those. people don't hate religious people; they hate a certain subset of religious people who use religion as an excuse for bigotry and/or actively seek to harm others. your point on PP seems just plain wrong. providing medical care to people who often lack it seems pretty mcuh like the definition of humanitarian assistance. they need a superpac because a bunch of republican scum make a point of trying to attack them, and have done so for a long time. They'd prefer to not have to be in politics; but they have to to defend themselves and the people they provide vital medical care for. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On June 06 2018 23:58 Slaughter wrote: A lot of those places also cut new mothers off after a couple of months and mislead them during the pregnancy. John Oliver talked about this on his show a few weeks back, and it's one of the things that goes untalked about, but also cannot be understated. In an effort to combat the obvious evil that is Planned Parenthood, these things called Crisis Pregnancy Centers have started popping up, where people with no medical training or license will do as much as they can to look as official as they can, in an effort to make pregnant women think they're an option for an accidental pregnancy. In truth, they are groups that will do or say whatever they can to mislead this woman into making the uninformed choice to keep the child, even going as far as to suggest that they will provide abortions to get women to stick around and listen to what they have to say. CPC's are a huge obstacle for pregnant women who need some kind of resource to help them make decisions and take action regarding their pregnancy, because they muddy the waters and make it extremely difficult to find actual resources that can help them. + Show Spoiler [The John Oliver segment] + He often makes a sincere effort to shed light on topics that not a lot of people are talking about, so while he is a comic, and gears his shows to be humorous, he is simultaneously a strong source of awareness for topics you might have forgotten about. This for me is a particularly infuriating topic to have known nothing about until recently. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22681 Posts
On June 06 2018 23:36 Danglars wrote: The old Republican talk of "Trust us, we will do something else to replace it".They do. They just aren’t reported for doing it. Everybody’s interested in the outrage over saving the baby’s life before it’s aborted. The pro-life ecosystem includes maternity health center that will help mothers choosing to keep the baby with goodies for the pregnancy and for their young baby after birth. They partner with adoption agencies. They help new mothers navigate existing welfare programs in their stare and community. Right now, I see it more like “Well, I haven’t personally seen them doing these things, but then again I haven’t been looking, but still I clearly would’ve heard of this by now if it existed, right?” It, however, practically never turns out that way. See Indiana. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18017 Posts
Congratz USA. you guys deserve a booming economy... i've got new customers falling into my lap every month. i'm 30, and to think we've got a generation of kids//20-somethings who've never seen what its like to live in a booming economy. They've never experienced the late 1980s or the late 1990s or the early 2000s. The booming economy of the early 2000s gave me access to really cool work i'd normally never see. any how, Congratz USA. To quote the late, great Ronald Reagan : " the business of America is business" | ||
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Source: EAGAN, Minn. — A group of East African employees is asking retail giant Amazon to improve working conditions at an eastern Minnesota warehouse. Employees at the Eagan facility made the request at a Monday news conference called by the Awood Center, which defends the rights of East African workers, Minnesota Public Radio reported . The employees allege they have experienced exhaustion, dehydration and injuries while working without air conditioning. Workers said the conditions are particularly difficult for Muslim workers who are celebrating Ramadan and observing a strict fast. “Recently, I couldn’t work because I needed water,” Nimo Hirad, an order picker at the facility, said through an interpreter. “I got so thirsty, I couldn’t even swallow my saliva. I ended up breaking my fast and drinking water two days in a row.” The center said it has received a few dozen complaints from workers in the past two months, including about work being done by individuals that used to be done in teams. Amazon spokesman Ernesto Apreza said the company provides a “positive and accommodating workplace.” He said the Eagan facility has air conditioned break areas, fans throughout the building and accommodates employees’ religious practices. The Eagan facility has a temporary prayer room and a permanent one is being constructed, he said. Christopher Warren, the facility’s general manager, declined to comment. MPR reports that it’s unclear if the complaints have also been filed with Amazon or the state. A Minnesota workplace safety agency has twice investigated the Eagan facility in the past, but it didn’t cite Amazon in either case, according to James Honerman, a spokesman for the state Department of Labor and Industry. One complaint in 2016 was about employees experiencing symptoms of excessive heat, and a 2018 complaint was about braking systems on rolling ladders not functioning, Honerman said. The state’s Occupational Safety and Health Administration conducted inspections and did not issue any citations, he said... The owner of this company said the funding space travel only thing that made sense for him and his vast wealth. Maybe he could buy or build a wearhouse with better airflow and working conditions for these employees. And I also question the Minnesota's Occupational Safety and Health Administration has the leverage to take on what is likely one of the largest employers in that state. Minnesota is very, very poor and not very well governed. | ||
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JimmiC
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 07 2018 01:48 JimmiC wrote: I don't know how to write this without coming off as a bigot. But in the traditionally Muslim countries that are very hot how do they handle this? I can't imagine that they all have A/C buildings. Do they have other solutions? They design their buildings to have better ventilation and don't work in the hottest parts of the day because it is a health risk. Or in the case of some countries with lax labor laws and governments that don't care, people die due to poor work conditions. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On June 07 2018 01:48 JimmiC wrote: I don't know how to write this without coming off as a bigot. But in the traditionally Muslim countries that are very hot how do they handle this? I can't imagine that they all have A/C buildings. Do they have other solutions? Thousands of people die every year during the fasting due to dehydration. | ||
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