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Now that we have a new thread, in order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a complete and thorough read before posting!

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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 28 2019 01:13 GMT
#32001
On June 28 2019 10:13 Mohdoo wrote:
lol who in their right mind goes after Bernie for healthcare. Just no dude, stop.

They're right in terms of policy, but wrong in terms of politics.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23293 Posts
June 28 2019 01:14 GMT
#32002
Do people buy that "Bernie wants to pay for billionaires kids college" or do people see through that?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 28 2019 01:15 GMT
#32003
In comes the español, Buttigieg style.

I have more student debt
::No I do
:::You’re all the cause of it!
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15712 Posts
June 28 2019 01:15 GMT
#32004
On June 28 2019 10:13 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2019 10:13 Mohdoo wrote:
lol who in their right mind goes after Bernie for healthcare. Just no dude, stop.

They're right in terms of policy, but wrong in terms of politics.

Whatever the case, the politics is a shot straight to his own dick
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-28 01:16:41
June 28 2019 01:16 GMT
#32005
I find it quite curious that Democrats are so quick to jump on drug companies and other industries who have raised their prices over the years, yet they completely ignore the industry that is most guilty of price-gouging: college education. Quite the contrary, democrats want to empower these institutions to charge even more for education by flooding the system with federal money!
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11363 Posts
June 28 2019 01:17 GMT
#32006
On June 28 2019 10:00 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2019 09:58 Falling wrote:
On June 28 2019 02:11 farvacola wrote:
On June 28 2019 02:08 Falling wrote:
On June 28 2019 01:51 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On June 28 2019 01:40 Danglars wrote:
The citizenship question decision “splits the baby.” Throws out challenge based on enumerations and Census act. Demands for poor explanation anyways. More in lawyer tritter thread. Only passing reference was made to the salacious claim that it’s all founded in racism. That’s what a country counting the citizens of the country is now reduced to in partisan times.



And in other news, the Supreme Court does not suddenly change 200 years of gerrymandering. Eldridge Gerry, the namesake, still kicking since 1812.

It's called racist, because it is founded with racist intentions. Not hard to understand.

But it's not an inherently racist piece of information to want to know. The category differences is status of citizenship/non-citizenship, not a division of ethnicity.

This is a classic, if A then B.
B,
Therefore A.

Poll taxes and civil voting exams aren’t “inherently racist” either, but what does that acknowledgement really mean?

It means just because you find a point of commonality, doesn't mean B, therefore A. It's not a true.

On a similar, vein I just watched a video where one fellow was yelling at a pro-lifer "How does it feel to believe the same thing as the Taliban? You agree them!" The implied line of argumentation (fallacy) is the same- happen to agree on one point, therefore you are the Taliban.

On June 28 2019 02:34 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 28 2019 02:08 Falling wrote:
On June 28 2019 01:51 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On June 28 2019 01:40 Danglars wrote:
The citizenship question decision “splits the baby.” Throws out challenge based on enumerations and Census act. Demands for poor explanation anyways. More in lawyer tritter thread. Only passing reference was made to the salacious claim that it’s all founded in racism. That’s what a country counting the citizens of the country is now reduced to in partisan times.

https://twitter.com/gabrielmalor/status/1144260345629986819

And in other news, the Supreme Court does not suddenly change 200 years of gerrymandering. Eldridge Gerry, the namesake, still kicking since 1812.

It's called racist, because it is founded with racist intentions. Not hard to understand.

But it's not an inherently racist piece of information to want to know. The category differences is status of citizenship/non-citizenship, not a division of ethnicity.

This is a classic, if A then B.
B,
Therefore A.


Pointing out that something is technically possible is not always constructive. If I see someone holding a gun with a face mask on prowling around my back yard, I could open the door and invite him in, since he might give me money. But most of the time, that person is not looking to give me money. It could be that he wanted to be anonymous and to protect his money until he gave it to me. But I have a lot of data that indicates masks and weapons usually mean theft, so I'm going to not invite him in.

It's not even just technically possible. Asking whether one is a citizen or not on a census is a factual question, completely unconnected to ethnicity. It's not racist, unless the long form census in Canada is also racist.

https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/statistical-programs/document/3901_D18_T1_V1
Question 13.


It was specifically stated that it was being put on there to drive down representation from minorities ...

Like it was straight up made to be racist

It would only drive down representation of minorities if they are not citizens. In a similar vein, I would not want a bunch of Americans voting in our Canadian election until such time that they became Canadian citizens. Had we been equally lax in our citizenship for decades, suddenly bringing in Question 13 on a long form census would no doubt dis-proportionally impact Americans rather than Bolivians or Russians, but the policy would nonetheless not be anti-American. It's a sensible census question, even if the guy suggesting it is himself anti-American.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4818 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-28 01:19:50
June 28 2019 01:17 GMT
#32007
Wow who would have guessed that that guy would be the one to go after Biden.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8998 Posts
June 28 2019 01:19 GMT
#32008
Weren't you warned yesterday about the name calling?
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24701 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-28 01:20:37
June 28 2019 01:19 GMT
#32009
On June 28 2019 10:16 xDaunt wrote:
I find it quite curious that Democrats are so quick to jump on drug companies and other industries who have raised their prices over the years, yet they completely ignore the industry that is most guilty of price-gouging: college education. Quite the contrary, democrats want to empower these institutions to charge even more for education by flooding the system with federal money!

This is not my experience. Perhaps democrats should focus more on this, but I've definitely heard it talked about in liberal circles that the current student debt problem is linked to the price creep of college education. You may be a bit quick to find things "quite curious" about the political party you generally disagree with.

edit: by linked I mean, guaranteed funding for students means schools raise their prices, in part to woo more competitive students, and in part just because they can.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4818 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-28 01:22:09
June 28 2019 01:19 GMT
#32010
On June 28 2019 10:19 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Weren't you warned yesterday about the name calling?


I thought t was within the line, but I'll change it. and no, it wasnt me

edit: to be clear i think "weirdo" is pretty tame, and there are no racial, ethnic, or gender issues with it.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35159 Posts
June 28 2019 01:20 GMT
#32011
God, I wish the moderators had a kill switch for the whole stage's mics.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15712 Posts
June 28 2019 01:20 GMT
#32012
Someone goes after Biden --> Mohdoo smiles.

Biden is not keeping up. Yesssss
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 28 2019 01:20 GMT
#32013
What a madhouse of a debate
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8998 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-28 01:26:22
June 28 2019 01:21 GMT
#32014
On June 28 2019 10:19 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2019 10:19 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Weren't you warned yesterday about the name calling?


I thought t was within the line, but I'll change it. and no, it wasnt me

I was just asking. I can see a lot of it happening so better to get it thrown out there now to remind everyone.

Edit: To your edit, I don't consider it to be malicious. But better to err on caution, no?
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
June 28 2019 01:21 GMT
#32015
So harris with the crushing line right there. I bet she jumps just from that little speech right there
Something witty
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 28 2019 01:21 GMT
#32016
On June 28 2019 10:13 xDaunt wrote:
Christ, these moderators are horrible. The parties should just delegate moderation responsibility exclusively to Chris Wallace.


They should also give the moderators the ability to cut mics and maybe even to drop the candidates into dunk tanks.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 28 2019 01:21 GMT
#32017
On June 28 2019 10:19 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2019 10:16 xDaunt wrote:
I find it quite curious that Democrats are so quick to jump on drug companies and other industries who have raised their prices over the years, yet they completely ignore the industry that is most guilty of price-gouging: college education. Quite the contrary, democrats want to empower these institutions to charge even more for education by flooding the system with federal money!

This is not my experience. Perhaps democrats should focus more on this, but I've definitely heard it talked about in liberal circles that the current student debt problem is linked to the price creep of college education. You may be a bit quick to find things "quite curious" about the political party you generally disagree with.

edit: by linked I mean, guaranteed funding for students means schools raise their prices, in part to woo more competitive students, and in part just because they can.

None of these "free college education" plans advanced by any of the candidates addresses tuition prices. In contrast, all of their health care plans place caps on health care costs. The contrast couldn't be more stark.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23293 Posts
June 28 2019 01:22 GMT
#32018
On June 28 2019 10:21 IyMoon wrote:
So harris with the crushing line right there. I bet she jumps just from that little speech right there


Doubt it, not above her high water mark thus far anyway. I missed what she was referring to though.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15712 Posts
June 28 2019 01:23 GMT
#32019
Booty jig going after Medicare for all...bruh, what you doing. Why say this during a primary lmao
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4818 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-28 01:23:53
June 28 2019 01:23 GMT
#32020
On June 28 2019 10:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2019 10:19 Introvert wrote:
On June 28 2019 10:19 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Weren't you warned yesterday about the name calling?


I thought t was within the line, but I'll change it. and no, it wasnt me

I was just asking. I can see a lot of it happening so better to get it thrown out there now to remind everyone.


like I said in my edit I think "wierdo" is pretty tame but that's fine.

And Biden still seems old.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
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