EPTFor Tulsi Gabbard I don't know if I'm just an out-of-touch sexist who keeps confusing her with Nikki Haley but I keep forgetting which party she belongs to. I keep finding out she's a Democrat but it seems like she does an incredible job not making it known that every few months I forget again. That's so refreshing in this climate.
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oBlade
United States6678 Posts
For Tulsi Gabbard I don't know if I'm just an out-of-touch sexist who keeps confusing her with Nikki Haley but I keep forgetting which party she belongs to. I keep finding out she's a Democrat but it seems like she does an incredible job not making it known that every few months I forget again. That's so refreshing in this climate. | ||
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farvacola
United States18876 Posts
I highly recommend Credit Slips generally for anyone interested in academic takes on debt issues. | ||
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Meta
United States6228 Posts
On April 24 2019 23:42 Liquid`Drone wrote: Are there any posters here who would vote for either beto, biden or buttigieg (insert preferred candidate) vs trump but for trump if he faces sanders? I'd be really surprised if any posters here are millionaires  | ||
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JimmiC
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Also, I just want to say that its super fun having to deal with the private health insurance industry. Nothing like getting a job offer and then finding out that you will need to switch doctors for the third time if you accept the position. This superior form of healthcare is choice and not at all complete trash that only exists because people are dumb enough to believe the government would somehow do a worse job than these clowns. | ||
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United States7542 Posts
On April 25 2019 00:31 Plansix wrote: And now I feel old. Also, I just want to say that its super fun having to deal with the private health insurance industry. Nothing like getting a job offer and then finding out that you will need to switch doctors for the third time if you accept the position. This superior form of healthcare is choice and not at all complete trash that only exists because people are dumb enough to believe the government would somehow do a worse job than these clowns. That's always the hilarious part of people who oppose medicare-for-all with things like "insurance companies will go out of business" or "you loss your current insurance". Like... good? That's very much the point. I don't understand who says that sort of thing un-ironically except people so rich they never deal with their insurance. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
But that government healthcare. That would be bad because they would pick my doctor for me. And all I can think is “Cool. Will that doctor give me drugs in compliance with state law?” | ||
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Kyadytim
United States886 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On April 25 2019 00:31 Plansix wrote: And now I feel old. Also, I just want to say that its super fun having to deal with the private health insurance industry. Nothing like getting a job offer and then finding out that you will need to switch doctors for the third time if you accept the position. This superior form of healthcare is choice and not at all complete trash that only exists because people are dumb enough to believe the government would somehow do a worse job than these clowns. On an individual level I’m sure it’s a pain in the arse, on a macro level it surely also turns off potential job switches, or entrepreneurship as well. Given I have a chronic health condition that I’ll always have and already have had a long time not able to work, I’d be extremely reticent to go back to school in such a system as I’m planning to do over here ASAP | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8223 Posts
On April 24 2019 23:40 Mohdoo wrote: Pretty much every single person saying "I won't support x, even against Trump" is perhaps the most giant pile of BS ever. I am sure there are some people, but this is typical of primary voters. Only their candidate is remotely tenable. Yeah right. I have yet to meet a single Democrat of any she or demographic or anything that doesn't have extreme intent to vote in 2020. Primary voters are just overly passionate and worried about beating Trump. I’m pretty sure we would have a democratic president right now and democratic supreme court for decades if it wasn’t for the Bernie or Bust kids. Don’t ever underestimate the left amazing ability to self destruct. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
On April 25 2019 01:59 Biff The Understudy wrote: The margins in the 2016 elections were close enough that a lot of relatively minor things can be blamed for one side winning over the other.I’m pretty sure we would have a democratic president right now and democratic supreme court for decades if it wasn’t for the Bernie or Bust kids. Don’t ever underestimate the left amazing ability to self destruct. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 25 2019 01:59 Biff The Understudy wrote: I’m pretty sure we would have a democratic president right now and democratic supreme court for decades if it wasn’t for the Bernie or Bust kids. Don’t ever underestimate the left amazing ability to self destruct. It didn't help that the media, goverment and everyone was acting like Clinton was going to win, no problem. Hindsight is 20/20, but I'm sure there are a good number of people who would change their vote had they known how close it would be. I don't blame the Bernie or Bust folks because I don't find it productive, anyways. | ||
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United States7542 Posts
On April 25 2019 01:59 Biff The Understudy wrote: I’m pretty sure we would have a democratic president right now and democratic supreme court for decades if it wasn’t for the Bernie or Bust kids. Don’t ever underestimate the left amazing ability to self destruct. That's such a weird way to frame things though because you're not beating the house odds. 25% of Clinton voters went for McCain in 2008, 13% of Obama voters went Trump, and so on. On average there were less party defectors from Sanders than history would predict. On top of that there's not really evidence that it's the hardcore Bernie people that defected (left enthusiastic supporters aka Bernie bros), but rather the evidence suggests it's people who otherwise were more right leaning buying into Bernie's message. So if anything the evidence is that Bernie brought new people into the primary process, but Clinton was unable to get these people to buy into her message post-primary. For example: Of the ones that switched to Trump, only about 25 percent also voted for a Democratic candidate for Congress. And we do have a little bit about what they did in 2012 — it looks like they were split roughly evenly, 50-50, between Obama and Romney. So these appear to be people who are trending out of the Democratic Party. www.vox.com It's an abuse of the fact that the election was close. You can pin the loss on any one thing and pretend like that was a primary determiner. As much as I hate the "never Bernie" 2020 sentiment and think it's a pile of crap, I really don't think party defection is a credible threat in campaign outcome. | ||
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rickxross
United States33 Posts
On April 25 2019 00:06 farvacola wrote: Here’s a nice article that digs into why many, if not most, of the criticisms of Warren’s student loan forgiveness proposal fundamentally misunderstand how federal student loans work. I highly recommend Credit Slips generally for anyone interested in academic takes on debt issues. That was a pretty good read, thanks. | ||
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On April 25 2019 00:06 farvacola wrote: Here’s a nice article that digs into why many, if not most, of the criticisms of Warren’s student loan forgiveness proposal fundamentally misunderstand how federal student loans work. I highly recommend Credit Slips generally for anyone interested in academic takes on debt issues. My favorite is that "It'S noT FaIR!". The culture of "me, me, me" is precisely why we are where we are. Fuck the greater good, I want mine! Shameful. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On April 25 2019 01:59 Biff The Understudy wrote: I’m pretty sure we would have a democratic president right now and democratic supreme court for decades if it wasn’t for the Bernie or Bust kids. Don’t ever underestimate the left amazing ability to self destruct. I've mentioned this before but I think it's clear now Trump winning was the least bad option with the most potential. The SC would be slightly less conservative but we'd have no hope for something better in 2020. If Hillary were running right now she would be running on being a hardcore centrist, which would be the rightward shift many suggested would happen as opposed to Democratic voters moving left as has clearly happened. Even if not everyone has hopped on the wagon yet. | ||
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