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It's ok. The article is quite biased. A lot of people will read that and interpret that he sent poisoned letters.
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Man Haron Monis supposedly migrated to Australia in 1996 from Iran. According to him, his wife and child were hostages to the Iranian government.
Interestingly, he appeared on Australian TV in 2001 under the name of Manteghi Boroujerdi. You can read a transcript of this appearance here. Scroll to the bottom.
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/religionreport/new-cardinals-for-rome-george-bush-muslims-in/3478556
"Whenever I walk in the street, whenever I go out in Australia, I feel I am in a real religious society. I don't want to say it is perfect, we don't have a perfect society on the earth, but when we compare, if we compare Australia with Iran and other countries in the Middle East, we can say it is heaven."
He didn't mind Australia at the time. I wonder what changed?
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On December 16 2014 02:32 LilClinkin wrote:He didn't mind Australia at the time. I wonder what changed?
Probably nothing. People like him are usually ordered to establish themselves as approachable figures of the community so they can recruit easier. He's probably loosely linked as an IS affiliate to transport soldiers in and out of the Middle East. Terrorists use nearly every country in the world as a stepping stone to avoid detection when entering their supposed battlefield.
His ex-wife and that whole ordeal probably drove him half insane, he probably wanted to blow shit up in Australia and his CO said no so he went solo with the threat of IS being enough to get worldwide acknowledgement.
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I suspect a major turning point for him was Australia's involvement with the invasion of Afghanistan.
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its too bad the terrorist died, but i dont think they had a choice in that situation.
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On December 16 2014 02:48 Dorner wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 02:32 LilClinkin wrote:He didn't mind Australia at the time. I wonder what changed? Probably nothing. People like him are usually ordered to establish themselves as approachable figures of the community so they can recruit easier. He's probably loosely linked as an IS affiliate to transport soldiers in and out of the Middle East. Terrorists use nearly every country in the world as a stepping stone to avoid detection when entering their supposed battlefield. His ex-wife and that whole ordeal probably drove him half insane, he probably wanted to blow shit up in Australia and his CO said no so he went solo with the threat of IS being enough to get worldwide acknowledgement.
If 'approachable' means allegedly sexually assaulting people who approach you, and generally acting a mess, I guess...
Reports are that up until a month ago he wasn't even Sunni and practiced black magic.
In April, he was arrested and charged with one count of sexual assault and two counts of indecent assault in conjunction with a 2002 incident where a woman who visited him for a "spiritual consultation" said she was sexually assaulted at his office. According to the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, Monis had placed advertisements in a local newspaper touting his expertise in "astrology, numerology, meditation, and black magic."
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A fringe figure in Australia’s Muslim community, Monis has been spurned by Shia leaders, who have reportedly urged federal police to investigate him over his claims to be an ayatollah, or Shia cleric. According to a post on his website, Monis converted to Sunni Islam this month, labelling Shia Muslims as “rejectionists”.
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Police confirmed 3 dead including the culprit
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Officer was shot in the face. In stable condition. 
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a man and a woman, both in their 30s, died.
from what i've read (on reddit, not the best source), the decision to storm the building was because a hostage was shot first.
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On December 16 2014 03:53 malcram wrote:
a man and a woman died both in their 30s died.
from what i've read (on reddit, not the best source), the decision to storm the building was because a hostage was shot first.
Police Commander said they stormed in after they heard shots inside.
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He initially requested them to give him a Islamic State flag so obviously he has sympathy for the cause. But this guy has a criminal history so it provides a more streamlined answer for his actions. Media hype will just generate more indirect affiliation and sympathetic cause to Islamic State in foreign countries.
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What a messed up world we live it
Tragic turn of events.
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Condolences to the families of the deceased; as well as those of all the other people murdered today.
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My condolences to the hostages killed, it was just another day for them and then this occurred. I really am curious as to what triggered the assailants to conduct such an action.
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"Global security expert" on ABC
Look, when hostages die, it's botched, OK. This is not a clean operation. This happens all the time when you go to rescue people. Sometimes you do it and sometimes you don't. I'm just wondering why they waited so long if they knew this was going to be lethal force.
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I think in a situation like this, if it is going to end sooner or later, I would like to see it end sooner. The police were in a position to do something earlier, I don't know if he wants to go into the Lindt Cafe. But you had overwhelming police presence and when you look at the outcome, you think to yourself, 'well could it have been cleaner than this?' I think it could have been.
Have to wonder if he's right.
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On December 16 2014 06:36 Belisarius wrote:"Global security expert" on ABC Show nested quote +Look, when hostages die, it's botched, OK. This is not a clean operation. This happens all the time when you go to rescue people. Sometimes you do it and sometimes you don't. I'm just wondering why they waited so long if they knew this was going to be lethal force.
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I think in a situation like this, if it is going to end sooner or later, I would like to see it end sooner. The police were in a position to do something earlier, I don't know if he wants to go into the Lindt Cafe. But you had overwhelming police presence and when you look at the outcome, you think to yourself, 'well could it have been cleaner than this?' I think it could have been. Have to wonder if he's right.
I had the same thought regarding why it took so long for the police to make a move. I went to bed when this was going on thinking that it'd all be over by the time that I woke up. Definitely not the case.
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global security expert, eh? the iranian embassy siege that was broken by the british sas resulted in the death of one hostage during the assault, but that was hardly a botched operation was it?
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Yeah, look, I'm not saying his title makes sense, which is why I put it in quotation marks. I still think he has a point.
Botched operation or not, we basically waited until people started dying. Being careful is one thing. It's quite another to refuse to take an active risk and allow the situation to deteriorate on its own.
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On December 16 2014 01:30 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 01:27 Oktyabr wrote:
Given that virtually every psycho who has done terror acts has actually shown an obvious inclination prior to committing the act, is there any way the respective governments could have actually stopped this from happening? Like removing citizenship and barring entry? it's the tradeoff for not having a police-state. like i said before, pretty much all of these self-styled jihadists in the west have been known to the authorities, it's not a failure of intelligence, more a failure to act.
Too much racism accusation if you arrest them before they have done something. We cant even arrest people who bring ammunition to IS in Germany. Someday politicians will have to realize thats its not just 5-10 terrorists but more like 1-5k + 100k sympathisers in Germany alone.
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Oh my god.....so sad for these people and there families.... will be praying for them....god bless to the friends / families and the loved ones lost.......this is a very tragic time man, I really hate to read things like this, so graphic and sad for these things to happen especially around Christmas time....
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