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Calgary26004 Posts
On December 04 2006 11:28 azndsh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2006 09:47 thedeadhaji wrote:
"1/3rd of women under the age of 20 have experienced at least one pregnancy"
okay what the hell TT_TT pregnancy doesn't equal children. miscarriage and other natural causes means 75% of pregnancies don't actually go through then there's abortion, etc.
That's the biggest spoonful of bullshit I've ever heard. I mean, if you're going to lie at least pick a reasonable number.
"Miscarriage reportedly occurs in 20 percent of all pregnancies."
http://www.allaboutlifechallenges.org/miscarriage-statistics.htm
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The main problem in this thread is why HIV is so common. Its a question about choice and bla bla. BUT! If you decided to get it on sometime, and you have a condom, cuz it was so easy to just get one in school. You could have just protected yourself from all kinds of shit that wants to attack you freind downstairs.
Dont try to get me believe that if you had the chance when you were 13-15 to get it on that you would have said no, cuz you havent had the guts to buy some condoms.
But if it´s about just let it condoms for free just for the fucking part. Then it should be free with every shit the ladies can do to protect themself from getting pregnant.
(I wonder if this is even understandable.)
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On December 04 2006 11:50 lil.sis wrote:
it isn't.
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they should just have a birth control clinic at school.
also if a couple wants to have sex, they're gonna.
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On December 04 2006 10:31 MoltkeWarding wrote:
Not to bash the foundation of the United States, but I've always found the phrase "pursuit of happiness" a bit of idealistic hyperbole. Surely Jefferson did not want to see people like chibi in the "pursuit of happiness."
He took it from another philosopher i think John Lock. However, John Lock's version translates it to basicly pursuit of land. = opportunity captialism really.
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On December 04 2006 11:28 azndsh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2006 09:47 thedeadhaji wrote:
"1/3rd of women under the age of 20 have experienced at least one pregnancy"
okay what the hell TT_TT pregnancy doesn't equal children. miscarriage and other natural causes means 75% of pregnancies don't actually go through then there's abortion, etc.
Last time I checked the year was 2006, not 1200. Asshole.
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
Ah, let 'em do it. It's not like I'm going to have sex in high school anyways.
Pro: the chances of people getting HIV and AIDS, etc decreases
Con: people are more encouraged to have sex due to the increase in "safety" (or so they think )
So I doubt it would do much good.
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On December 04 2006 12:38 infinity21 wrote:Ah, let 'em do it. It's not like I'm going to have sex in high school anyways. Pro: the chances of people getting HIV and AIDS, etc decreases Con: people are more encouraged to have sex due to the increase in "safety" (or so they think ) So I doubt it would do much good.
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if anything, it would do good. Some kids may start having sex more, but the figure that matters is pregancies and stds. Both of them would reduce significantly.
plus alot of kids have a hard time getting laid anyway^_^
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Canada6683 Posts
On December 04 2006 12:50 OverTheUnder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2006 12:38 infinity21 wrote:Ah, let 'em do it. It's not like I'm going to have sex in high school anyways. Pro: the chances of people getting HIV and AIDS, etc decreases Con: people are more encouraged to have sex due to the increase in "safety" (or so they think ) So I doubt it would do much good. ??? if anything, it would do good. Some kids may start having sex more, but the figure that matters is pregancies and stds. Both of them would reduce significantly. plus alot of kids have a hard time getting laid anyway^_^
OverTheUnder, I think you're giving high school kids too much credit here... You're assuming that teenage kids who are about to have sex will actually care about STDs. They've already been educated on what happens when they have sex. Girls get pregnant. I think we all learned that in high school, or elementary school for that matter. Honestly, it's their choice to have sex and get HIV, AIDS, STDs, and get pregnant. Getting free condoms might reduce the risk of infection but will encourage premarital sex (in high school) as I mentioned in my post above.
Remember, high school kids that have premarital sex obviously didn't learn anything in high school (with all the education on how it's so bad, risks of getting STDs, etc). They still have sex regardless. So it's a pretty risky assumption when you say they'll learn to control their sexual desires.
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On December 04 2006 13:03 infinity21 wrote:
OverTheUnder, I think you're giving high school kids too much credit here... You're assuming that teenage kids who are about to have sex will actually care about STDs. They've already been educated on what happens when they have sex. Girls get pregnant. I think we all learned that in high school, or elementary school for that matter. Honestly, it's their choice to have sex and get HIV, AIDS, STDs, and get pregnant. Getting free condoms might reduce the risk of infection but will encourage premarital sex (in high school) as I mentioned in my post above.
Remember, high school kids that have premarital sex obviously didn't learn anything in high school (with all the education on how it's so bad, risks of getting STDs, etc). They still have sex regardless. So it's a pretty risky assumption when you say they'll learn to control their sexual desires.
While I'm not exactly supportive of going around and screwing whoever, whenever (I've only had one sexual partner all of my life, whom I'm engaged to), I do not like your approach to "preventing disease". Preaching abstinence instead of birth control/safe sex methods is counter-productive. Yes, it gives some moral backing, but ultimately it is up to them what they want to do, not society. Just because they're teens doesn't mean they don't deserve the right to have protection. This is all like saying you tell younger kids never to cross the street, whether they look both ways or not, because they could get hit. You shouldn't inhibit them like that, but rather let them learn and hold their hand, give them that extra safety, when they do cross.
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United States12265 Posts
Passing out condoms in high schools is ridiculous. Kids and teens are supposed to be educated in high schools, so why not stick with education? Talk about dangers and consequences of unprotected and protected sex, promiscuity, etc., and just leave it at that. There's no need to waste time and tax dollars distributing condoms. In my opinion that crosses the line between basic education and enablement.
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Canada6683 Posts
On December 04 2006 13:47 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2006 13:03 infinity21 wrote:
OverTheUnder, I think you're giving high school kids too much credit here... You're assuming that teenage kids who are about to have sex will actually care about STDs. They've already been educated on what happens when they have sex. Girls get pregnant. I think we all learned that in high school, or elementary school for that matter. Honestly, it's their choice to have sex and get HIV, AIDS, STDs, and get pregnant. Getting free condoms might reduce the risk of infection but will encourage premarital sex (in high school) as I mentioned in my post above.
Remember, high school kids that have premarital sex obviously didn't learn anything in high school (with all the education on how it's so bad, risks of getting STDs, etc). They still have sex regardless. So it's a pretty risky assumption when you say they'll learn to control their sexual desires. While I'm not exactly supportive of going around and screwing whoever, whenever (I've only had one sexual partner all of my life, whom I'm engaged to), I do not like your approach to "preventing disease". Preaching abstinence instead of birth control/safe sex methods is counter-productive. Yes, it gives some moral backing, but ultimately it is up to them what they want to do, not society. Just because they're teens doesn't mean they don't deserve the right to have protection. This is all like saying you tell younger kids never to cross the street, whether they look both ways or not, because they could get hit. You shouldn't inhibit them like that, but rather let them learn and hold their hand, give them that extra safety, when they do cross.
But school does everything necessary for teenagers. By the way, I'm a teenager myself, being in Grade 12. But I don't think it should be done in a way that promotes premarital sex. They (i.e. the school) teach us about the consequences of having premarital sex, such as AIDS, STDs, etc. They teach us what happens to your 16 year old girlfriend if you have unprotected sex. They teach us everything we need to make rational decisions. It's these stupid idiots that decide to have unprotected sex at the age of 16, when you're most likely not ready to be a parent, emotionally and financially. If they want condoms, they can go buy them. Seriously, just go buy condoms. It can't exactly be that difficult.
I never said people should never have premarital sex. It's society, not me, that says that. To counter your point, I'd like to say that, nobody would actually hold a teenagers' hands when crossing the street. That was done when they were innocent children, incapable of making rational decisions for themselves. What they do to teenagers is give them more freedom. That is, the parents tell their teenage son that crossing the street without looking is dangerous because you can be hit by a car. I'm against the view that teenagers should be overprotected like children. We're at a point where we can make some important decisions for ourselves.
The point I'm trying to make is, the school tells us of every single consequence to having unprotected, premarital sex. They say: "these are the consequences. Do it at your own risk." I honestly think they've done quite enough for us to make an educated decision.
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my school used to give them out until recently
i doubt that the actual people having sex would go for the condoms -_-
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They gave them out at my high school, which usually resulted in them being unwrapped and placed on the andles of the combination locks of people's lockers.
Aside from the obvious practical uses, though , I can honestly and from experience say that the fact that condoms were readily available, and the fact that that was so forcibly advertised to us, made a lot of kids feel like "everyone" was having sex so they should too, and they did. That's not good.
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Canada6683 Posts
On December 04 2006 14:29 uNcontroLable wrote:They gave them out at my high school, which usually resulted in them being unwrapped and placed on the andles of the combination locks of people's lockers. Aside from the obvious practical uses, though , I can honestly and from experience say that the fact that condoms were readily available, and the fact that that was so forcibly advertised to us, made a lot of kids feel like "everyone" was having sex so they should too, and they did. That's not good.
Yeah, that's what I thought might happen. Distributing condoms may lead to more people having sex. So really, it promotes premarital sex by having them available, which is discouraged nowadays. But I must say, I didn't see all these "practical" uses.. 
Not being able to get a condom may lead to people thinking that since they don't have protection, they shouldn't have sex. Which can only be a good thing if you consider the number of pregnant teenagers and teenagers with STDs.
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there´s a similar controversy where I live (last 3 posts made reference to mexico wtf) , but instead of high school kids here is 6th grade elementary (11-12 year old)
On December 04 2006 14:33 infinity21 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2006 14:29 uNcontroLable wrote:They gave them out at my high school, which usually resulted in them being unwrapped and placed on the andles of the combination locks of people's lockers. Aside from the obvious practical uses, though , I can honestly and from experience say that the fact that condoms were readily available, and the fact that that was so forcibly advertised to us, made a lot of kids feel like "everyone" was having sex so they should too, and they did. That's not good. Yeah, that's what I thought might happen. Distributing condoms may lead to more people having sex. So really, it promotes premarital sex by having them available, which is discouraged nowadays. But I must say, I didn't see all these "practical" uses..
since when is wrong to have sex or what´s the problem with more people having?
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Canada6683 Posts
On December 04 2006 14:33 whatever wrote:there´s a similar controversy where I live (last 3 posts made reference to mexico wtf) , but instead of high school kids here is 6th grade elementary (11-12 year old) Show nested quote +On December 04 2006 14:33 infinity21 wrote:On December 04 2006 14:29 uNcontroLable wrote:They gave them out at my high school, which usually resulted in them being unwrapped and placed on the andles of the combination locks of people's lockers. Aside from the obvious practical uses, though , I can honestly and from experience say that the fact that condoms were readily available, and the fact that that was so forcibly advertised to us, made a lot of kids feel like "everyone" was having sex so they should too, and they did. That's not good. Yeah, that's what I thought might happen. Distributing condoms may lead to more people having sex. So really, it promotes premarital sex by having them available, which is discouraged nowadays. But I must say, I didn't see all these "practical" uses.. since when is wrong to have sex or what´s the problem with more people having?
Problem? Oh, nothing. Just some people infected with AIDS, HIVs, STDs, etc. no biggie.
And notice how I say "premarital sex". Which IS, I repeat, IS discouraged by society because it leads to so many complications.
edit: yes, we are talking about high school students. Not adults.
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On December 04 2006 14:33 whatever wrote:there´s a similar controversy where I live (last 3 posts made reference to mexico wtf) , but instead of high school kids here is 6th grade elementary (11-12 year old) Show nested quote +On December 04 2006 14:33 infinity21 wrote:On December 04 2006 14:29 uNcontroLable wrote:They gave them out at my high school, which usually resulted in them being unwrapped and placed on the andles of the combination locks of people's lockers. Aside from the obvious practical uses, though , I can honestly and from experience say that the fact that condoms were readily available, and the fact that that was so forcibly advertised to us, made a lot of kids feel like "everyone" was having sex so they should too, and they did. That's not good. Yeah, that's what I thought might happen. Distributing condoms may lead to more people having sex. So really, it promotes premarital sex by having them available, which is discouraged nowadays. But I must say, I didn't see all these "practical" uses.. since when is wrong to have sex or what´s the problem with more people having?
The problem is a kid having sex merely because they think everyone else is doing it. That's not a good reason to become sexually active.
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