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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
November 19 2014 01:41 GMT
#1201
Is there a winning line though? Did someone post a winning line that this thread missed? If there were a winning line wouldn't it be on the internet by now?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
November 19 2014 01:55 GMT
#1202
To my knowledge no winning line has yet been produced. The position was good for Carlsen, which is why he kept at it for so long, well past the point where people were telling him he should just offer a draw. He played his heart out in that endgame, but Vishy defended well so it was not to be.
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mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
November 19 2014 02:21 GMT
#1203
the deeper engine searches (e.g. http://analysis.sesse.net/ ) considered it a draw pretty much the entire game, even very close after the bishop was traded for the 2 pawns. and the evaluation only went back even closer to 0 from there.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
November 19 2014 02:38 GMT
#1204
Carlsen probably knew it was a draw. But it's better to play it out forever than to offer a draw and find out after the game that he had a clear win.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
November 19 2014 02:47 GMT
#1205
Oh definitely. Even Svidler, silently cutting himself under the table for the last hour and a half in a desperate attempt to escape, said that it is after all a potentially deciding game in the chess world championship, and so if Carlsen thinks he can make something happen then he's completely right to try.
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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
November 19 2014 04:06 GMT
#1206
Carlsen thought he had a win somewhere after Bxg4, he mentioned it in the press conference. Couldn't find it though (probably because it wasn't there) and obviously he knew it was objectively a draw after bxc4. No harm in trying though, even if it made the last hour very tedious for the viewers.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
J. Corsair
Profile Joined June 2014
United States470 Posts
November 19 2014 05:29 GMT
#1207
Uninspiring play from Anand.... again.
“...it is human nature, I suppose, to be futile and ridiculous.” - Scaramouche
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 19 2014 10:48 GMT
#1208
On November 19 2014 11:38 IgnE wrote:
Carlsen probably knew it was a draw. But it's better to play it out forever than to offer a draw and find out after the game that he had a clear win.

he knew that the RN v R ending was a total draw. No win there. But Carlsen is a little sadistic, it's why I like him
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Arevall
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1133 Posts
November 19 2014 10:59 GMT
#1209
On November 19 2014 19:48 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2014 11:38 IgnE wrote:
Carlsen probably knew it was a draw. But it's better to play it out forever than to offer a draw and find out after the game that he had a clear win.

he knew that the RN v R ending was a total draw. No win there. But Carlsen is a little sadistic, it's why I like him


Same here. Although Carlsen looked quite tired yesterday

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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 19 2014 11:03 GMT
#1210
On November 19 2014 19:59 Arevall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2014 19:48 marvellosity wrote:
On November 19 2014 11:38 IgnE wrote:
Carlsen probably knew it was a draw. But it's better to play it out forever than to offer a draw and find out after the game that he had a clear win.

he knew that the RN v R ending was a total draw. No win there. But Carlsen is a little sadistic, it's why I like him


Same here. Although Carlsen looked quite tired yesterday

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I prefer to think "bored of having to play this pleb"
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
November 19 2014 16:38 GMT
#1211
Hope carlsen plays aggressive this game rather than trying to draw out the rest of the match.

rule 1 when playing with the lead - be aggressive.
he might be able to tire vishy out aswell and stuff him again with black.
Zerg for Life
Deleted User 97295
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1137 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 00:02:28
November 20 2014 00:00 GMT
#1212
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calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
November 20 2014 00:59 GMT
#1213
On November 19 2014 08:34 Laertes wrote:
It turns out I was wrong about the rook exchange guys, but some of the comments back on page 57 were pretty nasty, also it
doesn't change the fact that I am higher than 2k in rl.
USCF says you are provisionally 929. I'm jealous that you play at Marshall, though, I'd like to move to Manhattan just for that scene. I visited recently and thought the club was very nice. The manager was friendly/talkative and played a game with me.
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
November 20 2014 12:00 GMT
#1214
Carlsen is such a little cunt. In game 7, his attitude reminded me of some online noobs who will reach the opposite-coloured Bishop endgame with few seconds more on the clock and then blitz out million of random moves hoping to flag the other guy.

Ruy Lopez today, God save us from Berlin.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 20 2014 12:01 GMT
#1215
On November 20 2014 21:00 wingpawn wrote:
Carlsen is such a little cunt. In game 7, his attitude reminded me of some online noobs who will reach the opposite-coloured Bishop endgame with few seconds more on the clock and then blitz out million of random moves hoping to flag the other guy.

Ruy Lopez today, God save us from Berlin.

*waves*
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
November 20 2014 12:08 GMT
#1216
On November 20 2014 21:01 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 21:00 wingpawn wrote:
Carlsen is such a little cunt. In game 7, his attitude reminded me of some online noobs who will reach the opposite-coloured Bishop endgame with few seconds more on the clock and then blitz out million of random moves hoping to flag the other guy.

Ruy Lopez today, God save us from Berlin.

*waves*

marvellosity, are you the guy who comments on ChessTempo problem solutions frequently? There's someone with your nick having good insight about them, I figured it might be you...
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 20 2014 12:09 GMT
#1217
yes, that's me.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 12:15:31
November 20 2014 12:14 GMT
#1218
On November 20 2014 21:00 wingpawn wrote:
Carlsen is such a little cunt. In game 7, his attitude reminded me of some online noobs who will reach the opposite-coloured Bishop endgame with few seconds more on the clock and then blitz out million of random moves hoping to flag the other guy.

Ruy Lopez today, God save us from Berlin.


There's an underappreciated technique in live games where you transfer your bishop to the right colour and then win using basic endgame technique.

edit: the trick is to use long, almost-diagonal moves
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 12:18:51
November 20 2014 12:15 GMT
#1219
On November 20 2014 21:09 marvellosity wrote:
yes, that's me.

Nice! I'm using it for tactics only, constantly hovering just under 2000 mark, gets frustrating.

Too bad my strategy and endgame skills are even worse.

On November 20 2014 21:14 hypercube wrote:
There's an underappreciated technique in live games where you transfer your bishop to the right colour and then win using basic endgame technique.

edit: the trick is to use long, almost-diagonal moves


Haha, my only chess coach I've ever had used to do that. Sometimes, he would pretend to play a serious game only to sneak in as many illegal moves as possible to check if his student were aware. Almost causing some heart attacks on the way.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 20 2014 12:24 GMT
#1220
On November 20 2014 21:15 wingpawn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 21:09 marvellosity wrote:
yes, that's me.

Nice! I'm using it for tactics only, constantly hovering just under 2000 mark, gets frustrating.

Too bad my strategy and endgame skills are even worse.

Unfortunately I'm too lazy to think these days, so my Standard rating is really low, because I treat it like blitz.

Unsurprisingly my blitz rating on there is markedly higher, where just moving without thinking pays dividends much more :p

Standard
Rating: 1867.8 (RD: 39.45) (Best Active Rating: 2628 Worst Active Rating: 1640)
Active Rank: 1101/12503 (Better than: 91.2% Best Active: 1 Worst Active: 3693)

Blitz
Rating: 2166.7 (RD: 139.75) (Best Active Rating: 2809 Worst Active Rating: 1945)
Active Rank: Not Active/2162 (Best Active: 1 Worst Active: 164)

And blitz ratings are usually relatively lower... :/
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