EPTUK to crack down on internet porn - Page 3
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Snotling
Germany885 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
On July 23 2013 20:52 Danglars wrote: I had no idea that his political advisers would think that he gains in public sentiment to be seen as helping the children and families and not taking dangerous steps to limit speech. I mean, it's not a popular stand to side with pornographers in any fight, but still, this does not come at a time when it's seen that the great danger to children and families is the availability of pornography. Compare that to rising youth delinquency and unemployment. Even consider things an order of magnitude below that: privacy in the age of social media and advertising, mistakes in checking the right boxes on website agreements affecting what information is available on you in the future. What is the fate of online advertising for escort services or other frowned upon lesser moral violations with this? If certain groups can be seen as negatively impacting the safety of children, how goes their freedom to operate websites seen by UK citizens? Do you have to opt-in to hate speech to see these, etc? I like your idea. On July 23 2013 21:02 Snotling wrote: this will work for about two days, then there will be ways around it. as always There is, its called "calling your ISP and notifying them that you want to be able to watch porn". | ||
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Melwach
Germany176 Posts
On July 23 2013 20:36 Foblos wrote: I don't see the problem. I wouldn't want my kids to have the chance to happen across porn when they aren't looking at it, and I've read numerous studies about how porn can sabotage relationships. The PM is indeed protecting families and youth. They aren't "censoring the internet" as some of you have said, because you can opt in to porn. If you want to do something, you shouldn't be ashamed about it and if you are perhaps that is an indication that you should reassess it. Well, one problem is that you establish a system for further censorship. We might even accept the idea, that this goverment only has the good of youth and family in their minds. But what about some years into the future? Why not ban websites that lead to terrorist propaganda? Far right or far left organisations? Critical bloggers? Political parties with the "wrong" ideas? It will be extremely hard to get rid of it once it's been used and it's a system that is very tempting for the ruling people to exploit. Problematic, since the line between good intentions and abuse can be very thin. Mechanisms like that tend to be exploited. I agree that there should be easy-to-use programs that enable partents to block certain content for young children, but an opt-out system managed by the state is very problematic in my eyes. Mind going a bit further about how porn sabotages relationships? Are you talking about wrong expectations of people who translate drastic porn imagery into their sex-life? I agree that it's problematic if young men and women take their sexual education and sexual role models out of pornographic videos, which is why I'd like a functioning system for content blocking. It just shouldn't be in the hands of the goverment. It should be installable software - optional, as a choice to get it for your family. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10167 Posts
On July 23 2013 20:58 sc4k wrote: I'd just like to point out that we have no evidence that you are not a total fuck up. Well i can take my own word for it. And since i know there can be exceptions i am asking for facts on that. We watch violence since we are really young aswell, but people only raise their voices when it's mostly on videogames. Specially to spend money on this instead of just (sexual) education. | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
On July 23 2013 21:05 Melwach wrote: Well, one problem is that you establish a system for further censorship. We might even accept the idea, that this goverment only has the good of youth and family in their minds. But what about some years into the future? Why not ban websites that lead to terrorist propaganda? Far right or far left organisations? Critical bloggers? Political parties with the "wrong" ideas? It will be extremely hard to get rid of it once it's been used and it's a system that is very tempting for the ruling people to exploit. Problematic, since the line between good intentions and abuse can be very thin. Mechanisms like that tend to be exploited. I agree that there should be easy-to-use programs that enable partents to block certain content for young children, but an opt-out system managed by the state is very problematic in my eyes. Mind going a bit further about how porn sabotages relationships? Are you talking about wrong expectations of people who translate drastic porn imagery into their sex-life? I agree that it's problematic if young men and women take their sexual education and sexual role models out of pornographic videos, which is why I'd like a functioning system for content blocking. It just shouldn't be in the hands of the goverment. It should be installable software - optional, as a choice to get it for your family. They still havnt banned a single website, so you're going to have to motivate your fear of no bans turning into V for Vendetta. | ||
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Melwach
Germany176 Posts
On July 23 2013 21:10 Catch]22 wrote: They still havnt banned a single website, so you're going to have to motivate your fear of no bans turning into V for Vendetta. I just remember similar plans in Australia and the list of websites that was released. A good number of non-pornographic websites was on the blacklist. http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2009/03/19/1237054961100.html?page=fullpage (I have no idea how legit this site is since I have no idea about Australian news sites, but it was all over the other media) | ||
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Snotling
Germany885 Posts
On July 23 2013 21:04 Catch]22 wrote: I like your idea. There is, its called "calling your ISP and notifying them that you want to be able to watch porn". i ment it will be possible even with the filter activated | ||
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Jarek
Australia35 Posts
 . Just another attempt to censor the internet (outside of porn). If you read other sources there's talk about banning other "illegal" subject matter and if any legislation is passed it would probably give the government free hand to block whatever they choose.And for people not wanting their kids to come across porn, there's plenty of programs to block it (keywords/sites etc). | ||
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29 fps
United States5725 Posts
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i zig zag around you
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Green_25
Great Britain696 Posts
That said, I appreciate trying to protect kids. I find it kind of sad how kids lose their innocence so early these days. But I think its the responsibility of the parents, not the government. For those talking about free speech etc, we don't really have a constitution in the UK, we have traditions and principles, where people are just expected to use common sense. Which is why this law will be shut down. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
The other problem is that it is too easy to get around ISP filtering anyway. Things like child porn are already blocked by British ISPs. Pedophiles do not just start Chrome and watch child porn on Youtube, which is what the filtering would block. | ||
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Paraietta
United Kingdom130 Posts
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i zig zag around you
70 Posts
On July 23 2013 21:41 hzflank wrote: The thing that bothers me about this is that simulated rape porn will be illegal. Who decides what is simulated rape and what is not? If a guy handcuffs his wife and films it, is that simulated rape porn? The other problem is that it is too easy to get around ISP filtering anyway. Things like child porn are already blocked by British ISPs. Pedophiles do not just start Chrome and watch child porn on Youtube, which is what the filtering would block. *edited* if post is serious, then i don't know what to say. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
What exactly don't you understand? | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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i zig zag around you
70 Posts
On July 23 2013 21:46 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: What exactly don't you understand? i don't know what to think. apparently some people can't tell what rape is. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 23 2013 21:45 i zig zag around you wrote: *edited* if post is serious, then i don't know what to say. Why? It is not about whether I like to watch that sort of thing (I don't). It;s about me not wanting to accidentally possess material that could lead to me becoming a convicted sex offender. | ||
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