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On January 16 2019 00:15 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2019 21:12 schaf wrote:
How does no deal increase the likelihood of reunification? I'm under the impression that treating NI different from the rest of UK would go more in that direction. No deal is just a go ahead for terrorists, isn't it? No deal (with no backstop) means the return of a hard border between north and south. Such a situation would be practically untenable in modern times. Before Ireland and the UK joined the then-EEC in 1973, there was the Common Travel Area, which allowed citizens of both countries to travel freely with no passport requirement. But, at the border, checkpoints were present for customs purposes. I don't know how movement of people will be affected in the event of a no deal, and how compatible the CTA is with the EU. I've always been of the belief that if NI had a special arrangement, it could have the best of both worlds.
The republic of Ireland have said they would not put up a hard border in the event of No deal as have the EU and the UK.
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202 yay
432 nay
That's a bit disappointing,depending on your perspective off course.
Now whats next,noone knows.
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Here is hoping May cancels Brexit to give them the finger and then calls for new elections.
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no confidence vote announced by Jeremy Corbyn pretty much as expected.
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On January 16 2019 04:47 Garrl wrote:
no confidence vote announced by Jeremy Corbyn pretty much as expected. I will laugh so hard if it fails :p
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That's the biggest ever margin a UK government has lost a vote by. Corbyn calls a no confidence vote for tomorrow. The government won't lose probably though.
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On January 16 2019 04:47 Garrl wrote:
no confidence vote announced by Jeremy Corbyn pretty much as expected.
Isn't this like 3rd of such vote in couple months?
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On January 16 2019 04:48 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2019 04:47 Garrl wrote:
no confidence vote announced by Jeremy Corbyn pretty much as expected. I will laugh so hard if it fails :p
prepare to laugh then, its very likely to fail unless May upsets the ERG massively.
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On January 16 2019 04:49 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2019 04:47 Garrl wrote:
no confidence vote announced by Jeremy Corbyn pretty much as expected. Isn't this like 3rd of such vote in couple months?
she had 1 conservative party vote of confidence she has faced 0 parliamentary confidence votes until tomorrow.
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On January 16 2019 04:49 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2019 04:47 Garrl wrote:
no confidence vote announced by Jeremy Corbyn pretty much as expected. Isn't this like 3rd of such vote in couple months?
There have been slight differences between each one, and they have very different consequences. A no confidence vote will bring down the government as a necessity this time, whereas last time it would have only forced May to resign.
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On January 16 2019 04:50 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2019 04:49 Grettin wrote:On January 16 2019 04:47 Garrl wrote:
no confidence vote announced by Jeremy Corbyn pretty much as expected. Isn't this like 3rd of such vote in couple months? she had 1 conservative party vote of confidence she has faced 0 parliamentary confidence votes until tomorrow. https://twitter.com/richjm/status/1085262704745553925
On January 16 2019 04:51 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2019 04:49 Grettin wrote:On January 16 2019 04:47 Garrl wrote:
no confidence vote announced by Jeremy Corbyn pretty much as expected. Isn't this like 3rd of such vote in couple months? There have been slight differences between each one, and they have very different consequences. A no confidence vote will bring down the government as a necessity this time, whereas last time it would have only forced May to resign.
Gotcha. Thanks for the info!
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No confidence vote tomorrow. Beforehand they said that a no confidence vote would have little chance to make it as torys would vote against but seeing the result of the vote just now I am not so sure about that anymore.
If I would have to guess,whish is always fun to do,then I guess the vote will make it.
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may seems likely to remain PM for the lack of an alternative.
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On January 16 2019 04:57 ticklishmusic wrote:
may seems likely to remain PM for the lack of an alternative.
Its shocking to me that she hasn't resigned. She obviously can't do this, and simply being determined to do it isn't enough any more.
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On January 16 2019 04:57 ticklishmusic wrote:
may seems likely to remain PM for the lack of an alternative.
Depends if the con remainers or brexiteers decide to get rid of her, both could decide to turn against her then give confidence to a new leader (they would have 14 days to find a new leader before a general election.) The DUP could also turn on May remember the vote will be very close as she has a minority government, only a few cons or the DUP need to turn against her for her to be forced out.
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New elections could maybe halt the brexit all together?
Like maybe a scenario where there is new elections and parliament decides to withdraw the brexit for now to let a new government decide what to do. Not sure if that is realistic at all btw.
There maybe is no alternative but I don't see a way forward for May either,the defeat is to overwhelming to have hopes of a slightly better deal getting through. If she stays in power the only thing she can do is lead the UK to a hard brexit or withdraw the whole brexit plan for now. Something that she clearly doesn't want to do seeing everything she has said (people have voted we have to deliver and such).
@below:i thought the eu court did decide that Britain could withdraw from the brexit on its own and would not need eu permission to do so. Maybe its different now I honestly do not know but I thought Britain could withdraw brexit on its own.
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On January 16 2019 05:01 pmh wrote:
New elections could maybe halt the brexit all together?
Like maybe a scenario where there is new elections and parliament decides to withdraw the brexit for now to let a new government decide what to do. Not sure if that is realistic at all btw.
There maybe is no alternative but I don't see a way forward for May either,the defeat is to overwhelming to have hopes of a slightly better deal getting through. If she stays in power the only thing she can do is lead to a hard brexit or withdraw the whole brexit plan for now. Something that she clearly doesn't want to do seeing everything she said (people have voted we have to deliver and such)
Its general election or No deal in my opinion, there is no majority to stop brexit in parliament, no majority for Mays deal, the alternative plans involve accepting May's deal so they don't work, delaying article 50 doesn't change anything and needs the EU permission which it wont accept unless its to finish signing off a deal or stop brexit.
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On January 16 2019 04:58 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2019 04:57 ticklishmusic wrote:
may seems likely to remain PM for the lack of an alternative. Depends if the con remainers or brexiteers decide to get rid of her, both could decide to turn against her then give confidence to a new leader (they would have 14 days to find a new leader before a general election.) The DUP could also turn on May remember the vote will be very close as she has a minority government, only a few cons or the DUP need to turn against her for her to be forced out. Again, no one wants to be in charge when Brexit happens. The brexiters want Brexit to happen while they are not in charge so they can blame the fallout on someone else with 'I would have gotten a better deal'.
If someone wanted to be in charge May would have been kicked out any time in the last 2 years.
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Urgh Jeremy Corbyn playing politics. Where does he stand on Brexit? Isn't he of the same position as May? Is anybody actually debating what the deal on offer is and how it is different from previously? In the end both hard brexiteers and those for remain are against the deal for opposite reasons. There is simply no way for both sides to co-operate.
Corbyn is not offering a deal any different from what is May is offering, he is simply attempting to in power.
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