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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42609 Posts
September 01 2017 13:30 GMT
#3221
On September 01 2017 21:29 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan’s defense ministry on Thursday sought $160 million in a record budget request to develop swift, longer-range missiles to extend its military punch in East Asia, countering growing Chinese strength and an increasing North Korean threat.

If approved, the proposal for a rise of 2.5 percent in defense spending to 5.26 trillion yen ($48 billion) for the year starting April 1 would be the sixth straight annual increase as Prime Minister Shinzo Abe bolsters the military.

The funds will pay for ballistic missile defense upgrades, six F-35 stealth fighters, four V-22 Osprey tilt rotor troop carriers, besides orders for new naval vessels, including a submarine and two compact warships.

Around $90 million of the requested missile development funds of $160 million will go on studying hypersonic missiles to quickly penetrate enemy defenses.

The rest will pay for research on extending missile range, technology that could potentially be used to help develop strike weapons.

South Korea’s air force conducted an exercise with two U.S. nuclear-capable bombers above the Korean peninsula on Thursday, two days after a North Korean missile fired over Japan sharply raised tension.

“The research and development is for island defense,” a Ministry of Defence official told a briefing, referring to the southwestern Okinawa island chain skirting the East China Sea, where Japan is embroiled in a territorial dispute with China.

The funding for missile development, though relatively small, could nonetheless spark controversy, since Japan’s war-renouncing constitution imposes restrictions on strike weapons for the military.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said Japan had consistently hyped the so-called “China threat” to increase its defense spending, and urged it to learn the lessons of history and pay heed to its neighbors’ security concerns.

“Regardless of what its reasons are, Japan’s defense spending is increasing every year and has reached a new historical high. We express concern about this,” Hua told a regular press briefing.

Some lawmakers of the ruling Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) argue that Japan needs weapons able to strike North Korean missile sites, so as to deter attacks by Pyongyang.

The longest range missiles in Japan’s arsenal, which includes anti-aircraft and anti-ship munitions, have ranges of less than 300 kilometers.

A group of LDP lawmakers that recommended Japan acquire strike weapons was led by Minister of Defence Itsunori Onodera before he took up his post in August.

But such a proposed shift in military strategy would face stiff political opposition from critics in Japan who say Abe’s hawkish policies have gone too far, hurting his already soggy popularity.

“Striking enemy bases after an attack to stop subsequent launches would seem like a natural thing to do, but that would be difficult for people in Japan to accept under the current constitution,” an LDP lawmaker said, asking not to be identified because he was not authorized to talk to the media.

The proposed defense budget will face scrutiny by Ministry of Finance officials who may seek to rein in military outlays as they juggle demands for higher spending on health and welfare for Japan’s aging population.


Source

This is what really puts pressure on China. China has zero desire to get into an arms race with Japan by accident but every time China fails to keep NK on the leash Japan gets more armed.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11822 Posts
September 01 2017 14:58 GMT
#3222
On September 01 2017 22:30 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2017 21:29 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan’s defense ministry on Thursday sought $160 million in a record budget request to develop swift, longer-range missiles to extend its military punch in East Asia, countering growing Chinese strength and an increasing North Korean threat.

If approved, the proposal for a rise of 2.5 percent in defense spending to 5.26 trillion yen ($48 billion) for the year starting April 1 would be the sixth straight annual increase as Prime Minister Shinzo Abe bolsters the military.

The funds will pay for ballistic missile defense upgrades, six F-35 stealth fighters, four V-22 Osprey tilt rotor troop carriers, besides orders for new naval vessels, including a submarine and two compact warships.

Around $90 million of the requested missile development funds of $160 million will go on studying hypersonic missiles to quickly penetrate enemy defenses.

The rest will pay for research on extending missile range, technology that could potentially be used to help develop strike weapons.

South Korea’s air force conducted an exercise with two U.S. nuclear-capable bombers above the Korean peninsula on Thursday, two days after a North Korean missile fired over Japan sharply raised tension.

“The research and development is for island defense,” a Ministry of Defence official told a briefing, referring to the southwestern Okinawa island chain skirting the East China Sea, where Japan is embroiled in a territorial dispute with China.

The funding for missile development, though relatively small, could nonetheless spark controversy, since Japan’s war-renouncing constitution imposes restrictions on strike weapons for the military.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said Japan had consistently hyped the so-called “China threat” to increase its defense spending, and urged it to learn the lessons of history and pay heed to its neighbors’ security concerns.

“Regardless of what its reasons are, Japan’s defense spending is increasing every year and has reached a new historical high. We express concern about this,” Hua told a regular press briefing.

Some lawmakers of the ruling Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) argue that Japan needs weapons able to strike North Korean missile sites, so as to deter attacks by Pyongyang.

The longest range missiles in Japan’s arsenal, which includes anti-aircraft and anti-ship munitions, have ranges of less than 300 kilometers.

A group of LDP lawmakers that recommended Japan acquire strike weapons was led by Minister of Defence Itsunori Onodera before he took up his post in August.

But such a proposed shift in military strategy would face stiff political opposition from critics in Japan who say Abe’s hawkish policies have gone too far, hurting his already soggy popularity.

“Striking enemy bases after an attack to stop subsequent launches would seem like a natural thing to do, but that would be difficult for people in Japan to accept under the current constitution,” an LDP lawmaker said, asking not to be identified because he was not authorized to talk to the media.

The proposed defense budget will face scrutiny by Ministry of Finance officials who may seek to rein in military outlays as they juggle demands for higher spending on health and welfare for Japan’s aging population.


Source

This is what really puts pressure on China. China has zero desire to get into an arms race with Japan by accident but every time China fails to keep NK on the leash Japan gets more armed.

Isn't Chinas long term arms race against the US more than Japan? A militarized Japan is something they don't remember fondly though so would likely be easy to play up in media and so on.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8641 Posts
September 02 2017 01:51 GMT
#3223
On September 01 2017 15:47 Simberto wrote:
The two nations visions of unity are so vastly different that the only way for a unification to happen is if NK collapses or invades SK successfully.

When NK says unification, they mean "SK joins us under our glorious leader".

When SK says unification, they mean "NK becomes a part of our nation (probably with some stopgaps so we can find a way to deal with that economically devastated country without breaking our own...actually, we are not even completely sure if we want that at all)

If you think stuff like the refugee crisis in europe was a problem, or if you know all of the complicated problems that arose due to german unification, think about what happens when the "rich population" to "refugee" ratio is 2:1, or when the second half of the country is as economically devastated as the North.

i dont think anyone considers it to be feasible, or at the very least everyone is aware of the difficulties unification would present, but there is a longing and a "i wish" attitude towards it.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-03 06:44:16
September 03 2017 06:31 GMT
#3224
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/02/north-korea-shaken-by-strong-tremor-which-could-signal-a-weapons-test-reuters.html

Reading the associated reddit thread, it caused a tremor with ~30 times more energy imparted than the last one, which means a megaton+ nuclear weapon. That's not a good sign.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
SkrollK
Profile Joined January 2015
France580 Posts
September 03 2017 07:26 GMT
#3225
Sucessfully tested H bomb according to french media (France24).

Also capable of being mounted on a missile.

I guess we will soon have a clearer view of what kju wants now...
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42609 Posts
September 03 2017 07:29 GMT
#3226
Hopefully Mattis will explain that Trump didn't mean his red line or some shit and we can all still have a world tomorrow.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12387 Posts
September 03 2017 07:51 GMT
#3227
NK always knows US will not dare to attack them because it is costly and for what? To defeat the "evil dictator"?
They always can do whatever they want and if anything, they are probably more concerned about China's reaction.

BUT Trump being so out in front about bringing fury etc and not actually doing anything makes it worse for the US.
How can any allies in the East going to trust Trump when he said he will send warships that was later found out not there.

Philippines is already reducing its ties with the US and embracing China.
How long until more in the middle East flopping to Russia and Asia going to China/India?
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
September 03 2017 07:58 GMT
#3228
I mean, if you pay attention to the last decade or so, there are plenty of instances of a shift away from a US-centric alliance in the areas mentioned towards a more Eastward orientation. That shouldn't be a surprise in and of itself. Though it's hard to deny that certain instances of poorly conceived policy may accelerate or exacerbate that shift.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5572 Posts
September 03 2017 08:18 GMT
#3229
On September 03 2017 16:26 SkrollK wrote:
Sucessfully tested H bomb according to french media (France24).

Also capable of being mounted on a missile.

I guess we will soon have a clearer view of what kju wants now...

We can independently confirm nuclear tests but the veracity of them having missile-capable warheads should be taken with a grain of salt as long as the only source is is DPRK.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
September 03 2017 10:21 GMT
#3230
Meanwhile, Japan's meteorological agency said the tremors were at least ten times as powerful as the North's previous test, which was in September of last year, Reuters reported. But South Korea's meteorological agency put the energy at five to six times the fifth nuclear test, Reuters reported.

Yonhap reported that the year-ago explosion triggered a 5.04 magnitude earthquake with a presumed yield of 10 kilotons.

Jeffrey Lewis, a director of the East Asia Nonproliferation Program at Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey, said on Twitter on Sunday that the size of the earthquake indicated that the explosion could be estimated at ranging from around a few hundred kilotons to around a megaton


Somehow I never thought they would be able to get to the heavy yield stage of nukes. Now they can just nuke an entire carrier fleet even if it's spread out. I think the options for 'easy' military solutions are gone now. (I know they were never easy, but relative to nukes)

China needs to step up and help defuse this regime.
Neosteel Enthusiast
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
September 03 2017 11:22 GMT
#3231
Directly from their propaganda arm

Yes im
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
September 03 2017 13:34 GMT
#3232
Oh crap
NK has Acquired the Ginyu Force
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
KungKras
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden484 Posts
September 03 2017 13:36 GMT
#3233
That dancing is really good actually
"When life gives me lemons, I go look for oranges"
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
September 03 2017 13:59 GMT
#3234
If only we could settle conflicts with dance-offs
Neosteel Enthusiast
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
September 03 2017 14:03 GMT
#3235
On September 03 2017 22:59 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
If only we could settle conflicts with dance-offs


Lika Pakistan vs India?


They have this daily!


Imagine now KPop vs those NK military dance group, every day at the inner Korean border. This would also significantly boost tourist income of the border region, so nobody would ever want to go to war again because losing that source of income would be too big of a loss!
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
September 03 2017 14:09 GMT
#3236
On September 03 2017 23:03 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2017 22:59 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
If only we could settle conflicts with dance-offs


Lika Pakistan vs India?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9y2qtaopbE
They have this daily!


Imagine now KPop vs those NK military dance group, every day at the inner Korean border. This would also significantly boost tourist income of the border region, so nobody would ever want to go to war again because losing that source of income would be too big of a loss!

Haha amazing. And seeing as they haven't nuked each other yet it's working too.
Neosteel Enthusiast
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
September 03 2017 14:37 GMT
#3237
On September 03 2017 22:59 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
If only we could settle conflicts with dance-offs


You know what they say: "Make art not war"
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17252 Posts
September 03 2017 22:39 GMT
#3238
Such things always remind me of this:

Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
September 03 2017 22:59 GMT
#3239
On September 03 2017 20:22 ImFromPortugal wrote:
Directly from their propaganda arm

https://youtu.be/tKRelLh88YE?t=17s

Damn, that is seriously impressive. US military, what is your escalatory response?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
September 03 2017 23:04 GMT
#3240
Wow that dance video is actually really impressive.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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