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On February 04 2015 15:03 Howie_Dewitt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 12:53 sgtnoobkilla wrote:Guess the gimmie food and monies or I nuke joo "negotiations" didn't work out too well for the North this time, since Kim-Fatty the Third is raising a tantrum about it on North Korean TV: North Korea strikes down US talksNorth Korea has ruled out any resumption of dialogue with the United States, threatening to react to any US 'war of aggression' with nuclear strikes and cyber warfare. The statement from the country's top military body, the National Defence Commission, came after reported moves by Washington and Pyongyang to revive long-stalled six-nation talks on denuclearisation. ...... North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un, who is head of the NDC, said on the weekend that Pyongyang refused to sit any longer at the table 'with rabid dogs barking' about toppling its socialist system.'Since the gangster-like US imperialists are blaring that they will 'bring down' the DPRK (North Korea)... the army and people of the DPRK cannot but officially notify the Obama administration... that the DPRK has neither need nor willingness to sit at negotiating table with the US any longer,' the NDC said. If the US ignites 'a war of aggression' and unleashes a nuclear war, North Korea will 'counter it through its own nuclear strikes', it said in a statement carried by the North's official Korean Central News Agency. 'And if the former tries to bring down the latter through a cyber warfare, it will react to it with its own pre-eminent cyber warfare and will thus bring earlier the final ruin of the US,' said the statement titled 'US imperialists will face final doom'. Source Meanwhile in an ironic turn of events, China seems to be giving the cold shoulder to NK while Russia has announced joint military exercises with...the North? China's defense chief in Seoul for talks on N. Korea, security tiesChinese Defense Minister Chang Wanquan is in Seoul for a three-day visit to hold talks with his South Korean counterpart Han Min-koo on Wednesday afternoon. Topping the agenda will be military and nuclear threats from Pyongyang and the current security situation on the peninsula. The defense ministry is also expected to call on China to put more pressure on Pyongyang to end its nuclear program. They will also discuss ways to further boost bilateral cooperation, including the establishment of a direct military hotline between the two ministers. ..... Source Russia plans joint military drills with N. Korea and CubaRussia plans to commence joint military drills with the likes of North Korea and Cuba according to Russian armed forces Chief of Staff Valery Gerasimov. The statement was made public during a meeting on Saturday that featured leaders of all of Russia’s armed forces groups. “We are planning an expansion of the communication lines of our military central command,” Gerasimov stated. “We are entering preliminary negotiations with the armed forces of Brazil, Vietnam, Cuba and the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. We are going to conduct a series of joint naval and air force exercises, as well as joint drills of our ground troops and air assault troops.”..... Source Isn't Cuba communist, too? Are they trying to make a super thing? (Disclaimer: I am in high school and know next to nothing about politics or any of that)
Yes they are and so is Vietnam. Russia is just flexing their anti west muscle because of all the thing happening in Ukraine.
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On February 04 2015 15:03 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
Isn't Cuba communist, too? Are they trying to make a super thing? (Disclaimer: I am in high school and know next to nothing about politics or any of that)
Both are still commie as RvB pointed out. But relations towards the U.S. have thawed quite a bit since the majority of the hardline old guard in these countries have since been replaced or are being replaced by a younger generation seeking to rebuild relations with America.
Mind you, those countries are free to do hold exercises with Russia as much as they want; it's neither illegal nor is it the U.S.' business to interfere with them. It honestly seems more like a petty attempt by the Kremlin to derail Washington's rapprochement efforts with Cuba and Vietnam; especially with Cuba for obvious reasons.
However, the (potentially) worrying one is this increased support for the North. I may be approaching tinfoil territory here, but the way I see it there's nothing stopping Russia from providing increased technical "assistance" to NK, regardless of UN sanctions, as a way of getting back at the U.S. for Ukraine and their ongoing financial problems. After all, the North needs to update their hardware and can't buy from elsewhere, not even China which as of recently been less than happy to prop up an unruly leader that only obeys Beijing half the time.
This is just speculation of course. Needless to say only time will tell if we've been duped or not.
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Hard to know today what is propaganda and what is not, so Im not gonna care much for something from bbc.
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North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un, already known for his unique hairdo, has updated his look.
Kim's new hairstyle remains cropped on the sides and heavy on top, but he appears to have grown his hair out and had it sculpted into a trapezoidal shape. And, for good measure, it seems as if he's had his eyebrows trimmed
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A more in-depth analysis
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And the year's exercises are off to an 'explosive' start, with celebratory fireworks courtesy of the KPA!
North Korea, angered by drills, fires short-range missiles off coast(Reuters) - North Korea fired two short-range missiles off its east coast on Monday, the South Korean military said, a move seen as a protest against annual military exercises between South Korea and the United States that were due to start hours later. The missiles hit the sea early on Monday morning after traveling for about 490 km (305 miles), according to South Korea's defence ministry. The firing came on the day when the U.S.-South Korean military exercises were scheduled to begin. The secretive North denounces the drills as a preparation for war. South Korean Defence Ministry spokesman Kim Min-seok said North Korea fired the missiles without designating any no-sail zones, which was regarded as a provocation. "If North Korea takes provocative actions, our military will react firmly and strongly so North Korea will regret it in its bones," Kim told a news briefing. Pyongyang has escalated its rhetoric against the drills, with a spokesman for its army general staff saying Washington and Seoul "should be dealt with only by merciless strikes". ..... Source
N. Korea threatens missile attack on anti-Pyongyang leafletsSEOUL, March 2 (Yonhap) -- North Korea threatened Monday to fire cannons or missiles at anti-Pyongyang leaflets sent from South Korea, amid growing military tension on the peninsula over ongoing joint military drills between Seoul and Washington. "(North Korea) will aim at and attack any balloons or unmanned drones carrying leaflets," said North Korea's propaganda website, Uriminzokkiri. "We don't hide that the (future) response could be not just a few shots of gunfire but it could be cannons or missiles." ..... Earlier in the day, the North fired two short-range missiles into the East Sea in protest against the start of the joint Key Resolve-Foal Eagle military exercises. ..... "Leaflet scattering is a clear war aggression in the international law," Uriminzokkiri said, threatening that all the responsibility for such campaigns will be taken by the South. Despite prolonged inter-Korean feuding over the leaflet issue, the South Korean government has largely remained inactive, saying that the campaign is part of the activists' right to free speech. ..... Source
Considering their love for explosions, I sometimes wonder if Michael Bay secretly works for Kim-Chop-Chubbs Jr. when he's not directing rubbish...
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More house cleaning in progress apparently:
(3rd LD) N. Korea's defense chief executed: S. Korea intelSEOUL, May 13 (Yonhap) -- North Korea has executed its defense chief on charges of treason, South Korea's spy agency said Wednesday, in the latest sign of a reign of terror by leader Kim Jong-un. Hyon Yong-chol, the chief of North Korea's People's Armed Forces, was executed by firing squad using an anti-aircraft gun at a military school in Pyongyang around April 30, the National Intelligence Service (NIS) said. Hyon, 66, was seen dozing off during a military event and did not carry out Kim's instructions, a senior official of the agency told a group of reporters. The spy agency also gave a similar briefing to lawmakers in a closed-door parliamentary session on Wednesday. Hyon's execution is the latest in a series of public executions in the communist country. ..... The NIS said that given available information, Hyon seemed to be purged not because he sought a rebellion but because he was "disrespectful" to the young leader. Over the past six months, Kim punished other key senior officials including Ma Won-chun, director of the Designing Department at the North's powerful National Defense Commission. "As key officials have voiced more complaints, Kim has deepened a reign of terror by purging them in negligence of proper procedure," the official said. "We believe that there are growing doubts about Kim's leadership among North Korean ranking officials." ..... Source
North Korea Defence Chief Hyon Yong-chol 'executed'North Korea's Defence Minister Hyon Yong-chol has been executed for showing disloyalty to Kim Jong-il, South Korea's spy agency has told parliament. MPs were told Mr Hyon was killed on 30 April by anti-aircraft fire in front of an audience of hundreds, the Yonhap news agency reports. It said Mr Hyon had fallen asleep during an event attended by Kim Jong-un and had not carried out instructions. Reports from North Korea are impossible to independently confirm. Analysts told the BBC that while reshuffling of officials happens often in North Korea, the execution of a figure so close to Mr Kim was surprising and cause for concern about the country's stability. Analysis site NK News said Mr Hyon had last appeared in state media a day before the alleged execution date. Hyon Yong-Chol, as defence minister, was as close to Kim Jong-un as it is possible to get. Such a public and brutal method of execution as obliteration by anti-aircraft gun would emphasise the cost of disloyalty. Intelligence reports always have to be treated with scepticism but, in this case, the claims of the South Korean spy agency will be easy to verify. If they are not true, the defence minister would appear again in public. Earlier, the South Korean agency said that senior officials were being executed at the rate of one a week. It all adds up to a picture of a leader in Pyongyang who feels very insecure and who is dangerous in his insecurity. ..... Source
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Who needs Game of Thrones when you can just read news on North Korea?
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On May 13 2015 16:42 maartendq wrote:
Who needs Game of Thrones when you can just read news on North Korea?
but where is the sex?
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
classic execution by aa gun
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Next up: execution by torpedo in an Intex inflatable pool.
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i can't find myself feeling sorry when senior members of totalitarian regimes meet these grisly ends, since they probably facilitated these kinds of executions on other people. kinda like how lavrentiy beria had his predecessor murdered, then later met a similar fate. what goes around comes around i guess
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Well i guess the issue is many people hope that those executions go so far as to destabilize the whole leadership circle. They all feel unsafe now, and are surely plotting how to get rid of Un. Usually military dictators are easier (internationally) to deal with than personality cult dictators, maybe that could open up the country in the medium term.
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It's just silly how much of a Napoleonic complex North Korea has further developed with Kim Jong-Un at the helm, it makes me wonder if their proto-typical "death to anyone who forces us to change our view of the world" will wear thin on the rest of the world. I'm guessing there's plenty of powerful countries that are fine with NK being a psychotic totalitarian state since they are unaffected by their antics, but the inability of the country to actually follow through on its death threats seem so laughable. Could you imagine how quickly a war would be over between the US and NK? Especially a nuclear war that NK appears to be clamoring for? I feel reasonably comfortable saying that the US has learned from their past and will hopefully not ever deploy nuclear weapons against another country, but I can't imagine NK finishing on the upper-hand if any war-like scenario did play out.
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On May 13 2015 22:34 Zdrastochye wrote:
It's just silly how much of a Napoleonic complex North Korea has further developed with Kim Jong-Un at the helm, it makes me wonder if their proto-typical "death to anyone who forces us to change our view of the world" will wear thin on the rest of the world. I'm guessing there's plenty of powerful countries that are fine with NK being a psychotic totalitarian state since they are unaffected by their antics, but the inability of the country to actually follow through on its death threats seem so laughable. Could you imagine how quickly a war would be over between the US and NK? Especially a nuclear war that NK appears to be clamoring for? I feel reasonably comfortable saying that the US has learned from their past and will hopefully not ever deploy nuclear weapons against another country, but I can't imagine NK finishing on the upper-hand if any war-like scenario did play out.
It would be easier to ignore Kim Jong-Un and North Korea as a whole if it didn't have a population of 25 million people living in squalor. The human rights violations alone make them worth paying attention to, and is also a good reason why we can't just bomb them and be done with it. One would hope that if Kim Jong-Un is overthrown a more reasonable government could replace him, but that is unlikely and would take time even if they have the best of intentions.
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On May 14 2015 02:38 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 22:34 Zdrastochye wrote:
It's just silly how much of a Napoleonic complex North Korea has further developed with Kim Jong-Un at the helm, it makes me wonder if their proto-typical "death to anyone who forces us to change our view of the world" will wear thin on the rest of the world. I'm guessing there's plenty of powerful countries that are fine with NK being a psychotic totalitarian state since they are unaffected by their antics, but the inability of the country to actually follow through on its death threats seem so laughable. Could you imagine how quickly a war would be over between the US and NK? Especially a nuclear war that NK appears to be clamoring for? I feel reasonably comfortable saying that the US has learned from their past and will hopefully not ever deploy nuclear weapons against another country, but I can't imagine NK finishing on the upper-hand if any war-like scenario did play out. It would be easier to ignore Kim Jong-Un and North Korea as a whole if it didn't have a population of 25 million people living in squalor. The human rights violations alone make them worth paying attention to, and is also a good reason why we can't just bomb them and be done with it. One would hope that if Kim Jong-Un is overthrown a more reasonable government could replace him, but that is unlikely and would take time even if they have the best of intentions.
The real problem is Seoul. We kill Kim Jong-Un. They retaliate by opening up the cold war to a hot war and start shelling Seoul. If we are lucky no nukes are ready to launch at that exact time or get taken down before hitting anything vital.
It is much easier to kill a random terrorist leader whose entire organisation can field less than 1/100 of the NK manpower and has much worse technology and geographic position.
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Anti-aircraft execution perspective...
The fastest MLB fastball.. 100mph would be right at 100 ft/lbs of energy.
Run of the mill .45 caliber pistol round... 200 grains at 900fps is 360 ft/lbs of energy.
Run of the mill .300 WIN Mag hunting cartridge... 200 grains at 3,000fps is 4,000 ft/lbs of energy.
30mm AA shell... 3/4ths of a pound would be 5,250 grains at 3500fps is 143,000 ft/lbs of energy.
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On May 13 2015 21:35 ahswtini wrote:
i can't find myself feeling sorry when senior members of totalitarian regimes meet these grisly ends, since they probably facilitated these kinds of executions on other people. kinda like how lavrentiy beria had his predecessor murdered, then later met a similar fate. what goes around comes around i guess
it's a sorry situation. any time there's a powerful administration willing to put its own senior members to death removing it from power is going to be messy and difficult. yea sure people are responsible for their actions, but at the same time i've never been in a position of having to defy a psychotic regime to uphold my moral standards, so my personal opinion on what's right to do means nothing coming from my cushy western life
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On May 14 2015 04:35 RCMDVA wrote:
Anti-aircraft execution perspective...
The fastest MLB fastball.. 100mph would be right at 100 ft/lbs of energy.
Run of the mill .45 caliber pistol round... 200 grains at 900fps is 360 ft/lbs of energy.
Run of the mill .300 WIN Mag hunting cartridge... 200 grains at 3,000fps is 4,000 ft/lbs of energy.
30mm AA shell... 3/4ths of a pound would be 5,250 grains at 3500fps is 143,000 ft/lbs of energy.
did the maths
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Also, as someone studying physics those units hurt my eyes.
a) imperial is a shitty system
b) even if that were not the case, lbs is not a unit of force, and even if it were (google tells me that apparently you really don't have a real unit for force as opposed to mass), ft/lbs is definitively not a unit of energy. Energy = Force * Length, thus even in your silly unit system Force would be lbf*ft
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