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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
On February 02 2017 12:54 xDaunt wrote: I have no doubt that Trump is swinging dick on some of these calls. Business as usual ended last month. Now we get to see how his style plays. As a wild guess, it will distance America's allies, create further enmity amongst neutral nations and further antagonize America's enemies. Putin must be delighted. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
This must be the 4D-chess. But why does it feel more like losing tic-tac-toe as the starting player. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
Edit: Will wait to see what information comes about this whole thing... media jumping the gun quite fast it seems. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46687 Posts
On February 02 2017 13:21 Djzapz wrote: Man this threatening to send US troops to Mexico is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard... is this man completely immune to reason -_- What exactly is he threatening with that move? He's going to send troops to make sure the wall gets built properly? To make sure Mexico reimburses the United States for it? To make sure no "bad hombres" run across the border in the mean time? What kind of power play is he seeking, by threatening to mobilize troops into Mexico? | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On February 02 2017 13:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: What exactly is he threatening with that move? He's going to send troops to make sure the wall gets built properly? To make sure Mexico reimburses the United States for it? To make sure no "bad hombres" run across the border in the mean time? What kind of power play is he seeking, by threatening to mobilize troops into Mexico? I think he ment wiping out all the cartels by force | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
There's zero difference between these "protesters" and SA stormtroopers starting riots at opposing political rallies in 1920s Germany. But remember, it's Trump and his supporters who are the fascists. The next time hundreds of Trump supporters start rioting and beating Trump opponents will be the first. Trump opponents have done it at least a half-dozen times. It's only a matter of time before someone gets killed by these fascist "protesters." | ||
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Deleted User 173346
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On February 02 2017 13:26 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I think he ment wiping out all the cartels by force Yeah Calderon tried that and Mexico became a bloodbath and at times more people died per week in Mexico than Iraq. Add to the fact the Cartels have some of the most modern weapons that ISIS could only dream of getting as they are supplied by US gangs etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On February 02 2017 13:27 DeepElemBlues wrote: Fascists at UC Berkeley mobbing Trump supporters and beating them with fists and feet and flagpoles, setting fires, destroying property, shooting fireworks at police, pepper spraying people generally being fascists, because Milo was going to have a speech there tonight. Which was canceled of course as there weren't enough police on the scene to protect the building the speech was supposed to take place in. There's zero difference between these "protesters" and SA stormtroopers starting riots at opposing political rallies in 1920s Germany. But remember, it's Trump and his supporters who are the fascists. The next time hundreds of Trump supporters start rioting and beating Trump opponents will be the first. Trump opponents have done it at least a half-dozen times. It's only a matter of time before someone gets killed by these fascist "protesters." I don't endorse riots and physical violence. That being said: what do you think the word "fascist" means? | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On February 02 2017 13:27 DeepElemBlues wrote: Fascists at UC Berkeley mobbing Trump supporters and beating them with fists and feet and flagpoles, setting fires, destroying property, shooting fireworks at police, pepper spraying people generally being fascists, because Milo was going to have a speech there tonight. Which was canceled of course as there weren't enough police on the scene to protect the building the speech was supposed to take place in. There's zero difference between these "protesters" and SA stormtroopers starting riots at opposing political rallies in 1920s Germany. But remember, it's Trump and his supporters who are the fascists. The next time hundreds of Trump supporters start rioting and beating Trump opponents will be the first. Trump opponents have done it at least a half-dozen times. It's only a matter of time before someone gets killed by these fascist "protesters." These days you can get away with whatever behavior you want, as long as you point enough fingers at other people to distract them. People have successfully turned reason and goodwill into a game, where he who strikes first wins. Because winning is all that matters. | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On February 02 2017 13:27 DeepElemBlues wrote: Fascists at UC Berkeley mobbing Trump supporters and beating them with fists and feet and flagpoles, setting fires, destroying property, shooting fireworks at police, pepper spraying people generally being fascists, because Milo was going to have a speech there tonight. Which was canceled of course as there weren't enough police on the scene to protect the building the speech was supposed to take place in. There's zero difference between these "protesters" and SA stormtroopers starting riots at opposing political rallies in 1920s Germany. But remember, it's Trump and his supporters who are the fascists. The next time hundreds of Trump supporters start rioting and beating Trump opponents will be the first. Trump opponents have done it at least a half-dozen times. It's only a matter of time before someone gets killed by these fascist "protesters." "There's zero difference between these "protesters" and SA stormtroopers starting riots at opposing political rallies in 1920s Germany." lol embellishing much and do you know what fascism is? Instead of grandstanding about being victimized by the small number of anti-discriminatory protests that have gone violent, how about stop giving those people a platform to advocate for discriminatory actions. That's why the protests occur in the first place. Just because some people are dicks doesn't invalidate their ideas and especially doesn't validate the victims'. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
On February 02 2017 13:27 DeepElemBlues wrote: There's zero difference between these "protesters" and SA stormtroopers You're hilarious | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 02 2017 13:27 DeepElemBlues wrote: Fascists at UC Berkeley mobbing Trump supporters and beating them with fists and feet and flagpoles, setting fires, destroying property, shooting fireworks at police, pepper spraying people generally being fascists, because Milo was going to have a speech there tonight. Which was canceled of course as there weren't enough police on the scene to protect the building the speech was supposed to take place in. There's zero difference between these "protesters" and SA stormtroopers starting riots at opposing political rallies in 1920s Germany. But remember, it's Trump and his supporters who are the fascists. The next time hundreds of Trump supporters start rioting and beating Trump opponents will be the first. Trump opponents have done it at least a half-dozen times. It's only a matter of time before someone gets killed by these fascist "protesters." I'm particularly amused by the fact that the protestors refer to themselves as "anti-fascists." But yeah, this is why I say that the regressive left needs to be wiped out. If nothing else, the sheer hypocrisy is intolerable. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On February 02 2017 13:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Yeah Calderon tried that and Mexico became a bloodbath and at times more people died per week in Mexico than Iraq. Add to the fact the Cartels have some of the most modern weapons that ISIS could only dream of getting as they are supplied by US gangs etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War But haven't you heard? Trump said Mexican soldiers were scared, Trumps soldiers aren't so it will be easy. /s | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On February 02 2017 13:27 DeepElemBlues wrote: Fascists at UC Berkeley mobbing Trump supporters and beating them with fists and feet and flagpoles, setting fires, destroying property, shooting fireworks at police, pepper spraying people generally being fascists, because Milo was going to have a speech there tonight. Which was canceled of course as there weren't enough police on the scene to protect the building the speech was supposed to take place in. There's zero difference between these "protesters" and SA stormtroopers starting riots at opposing political rallies in 1920s Germany. But remember, it's Trump and his supporters who are the fascists. The next time hundreds of Trump supporters start rioting and beating Trump opponents will be the first. Trump opponents have done it at least a half-dozen times. It's only a matter of time before someone gets killed by these fascist "protesters." hopefully the violent mob gets arrested and charged for their actions. most people overuse and misuse the word fascist, because they don't have a good understanding of it. trump is authoritarian, and a number of other bad things, but he's not really fascist. fine to hate the idiots, but remember all sides do have violent idiots. and there are actions by them from all sides. there's a lot of decent people with entirely valid objections, or at least a fair number. it's tricky how to deal with violent mobs, much as I like the concept of arresting them all, a great deal of research into best practices finds that sometimes a more soft touch produces the best outcomes. | ||
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Introvert
United States5082 Posts
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
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Deleted User 173346
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On February 02 2017 13:38 OuchyDathurts wrote: Ending the drug war would be the single biggest blow to cartels that could ever happen but that's never even being brought up as a solution. Invade a country if you want to incite more worldwide disdain though, seems brilliant. I hear people mention it a lot on forums, it seems far less common in mainstream political discourse. of course to use such a plan you really need to subscribe to a consequentialist theory of ethics, and many people have a much more deontological approach. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On February 02 2017 13:26 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I think he ment wiping out all the cartels by force America sure would get cranky without it's cocaine though. Good luck managing a US without cocaine and a reinvigorated war on drugs like cannabis. | ||
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