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Canada16217 Posts
On October 12 2012 15:11 Cascade wrote:Even if it he would be 100% sure that it was a burglar, taking the decision to kill another person over having some stuff stolen, is completely beyond my understanding. Killing before even being sure who it is, is just sad. 
it's funny how lightly you take someone stealing "some stuff" imagine what would happen if everyone acted like this although I do agree you wouldn't just shoot him you confront the robber if he has a knife or a weapon you should defend yourself in anyway you can but if he's un-armed you should probably just fight him and pin him to the ground and call the cops to have him arrested.
Also it's very strange he just shot him without asking who he was or trying to see if it actually was a robber and if he was armed or not.
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On October 12 2012 15:27 Silidons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 15:24 MurDeRsc2 wrote:
When will people learn and make laws against guns? We don't need them. If no one had guns, why would you need a gun to protect yourself? Wish the people of the United States would learn. The Euro countries that have banned them are ahead of the curve. We are so backwards in so many ways.. I don't know Japanese law but it seems Japan has their shit together with gun law. I'm highly against gun ownership, but the US is too far gone to do anything about guns. There are too many in circulation which are both registered and unregistered. That is why when I'm older I'm going to move to a different country.
Oh you are moving because of guns? Good idea. The odds of randomly getting shot are so high here. Especially if you live in the South.
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Why didn't he shoot to wound instead? Could have shot him in the back to paralyse instead, or the lower body it could have given him a good 20 minutes to get an ambulance to prevent death?...
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On October 12 2012 15:28 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 15:27 Silidons wrote:On October 12 2012 15:24 MurDeRsc2 wrote:
When will people learn and make laws against guns? We don't need them. If no one had guns, why would you need a gun to protect yourself? Wish the people of the United States would learn. The Euro countries that have banned them are ahead of the curve. We are so backwards in so many ways.. I don't know Japanese law but it seems Japan has their shit together with gun law. I'm highly against gun ownership, but the US is too far gone to do anything about guns. There are too many in circulation which are both registered and unregistered. That is why when I'm older I'm going to move to a different country. Oh you are moving because of guns? Good idea. The odds of randomly getting shot are so high here. Especially if you live in the South.
I can't tell if these posts are serious or not. If you are really thinking about leaving a country because you are afraid to get shot it wasn't just this dude shooting his son who is insanely paranoid...
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On October 12 2012 15:29 nihoh wrote:
Why didn't he shoot to wound instead? Could have shot him in the back to paralyse instead, or the lower body it could have given him a good 20 minutes to get an ambulance to prevent death?...
Theres a reason when police shoot they shoot to kill, wounds just means heap of lawsuits incoming.
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On October 12 2012 15:33 essencez wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 15:29 nihoh wrote:
Why didn't he shoot to wound instead? Could have shot him in the back to paralyse instead, or the lower body it could have given him a good 20 minutes to get an ambulance to prevent death?... Theres a reason when police shoot they shoot to kill, wounds just means heap of lawsuits incoming.
Good heavens, life sure is cheap to some.
On October 12 2012 15:32 DannyJ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 15:28 jdseemoreglass wrote:On October 12 2012 15:27 Silidons wrote:On October 12 2012 15:24 MurDeRsc2 wrote:
When will people learn and make laws against guns? We don't need them. If no one had guns, why would you need a gun to protect yourself? Wish the people of the United States would learn. The Euro countries that have banned them are ahead of the curve. We are so backwards in so many ways.. I don't know Japanese law but it seems Japan has their shit together with gun law. I'm highly against gun ownership, but the US is too far gone to do anything about guns. There are too many in circulation which are both registered and unregistered. That is why when I'm older I'm going to move to a different country. Oh you are moving because of guns? Good idea. The odds of randomly getting shot are so high here. Especially if you live in the South. I can't tell if these posts are serious or not. If you are really thinking about leaving a country because you are afraid to get shot it wasn't just this dude shooting his son who is insanely paranoid...
The U.S. is a great country, but I've gotta tell you, the prospect of doing a post doc in your country scares me a bit due to the gun culture.
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On October 12 2012 15:22 TheVanillaCoke wrote:
Jesus people... He's not some gun toting psychopath.
This guy was a HOMICIDE detective for 40 years. Do you have any idea what that can do to a guy? If you think examining a homicide doesn't leave scar tissue in the brain, You're crazy. This guy might have had PTSD, he might have had a flash back of some fucked up shit he saw in his 40 years of homicide, and when his son came in the back door, His instincts took over and he cracked.
This has to be considered. There just isn't enough evidence (we may never get it as members of the public) to say whether he went crazy, was already crazy, just wanted to shoot someone, had a snap reaction that turned out badly, or if the son came in pretending to be a burglar, or if he simply could not judge the situation properly due to age/PTSD/etc and pulled the trigger, maybe he meant it to be a warning shot, or any number of other factors.
A jury will decide if he is innocent or guilty. It's not for a bunch of people who read the hastily written aftermath article to make a snap call on whether or not this guy was an idiot for carrying a gun or not. Personally I agree with VanillaCoke in this instance, probably highly trained, however old/retired, and not some fool who only ever went to the shooting range to shoot until the one night when he killed his own son.
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On October 12 2012 15:22 TheVanillaCoke wrote:
Jesus people... He's not some gun toting psychopath.
This guy was a HOMICIDE detective for 40 years. Do you have any idea what that can do to a guy? If you think examining a homicide doesn't leave scar tissue in the brain, You're crazy. This guy might have had PTSD, he might have had a flash back of some fucked up shit he saw in his 40 years of homicide, and when his son came in the back door, His instincts took over and he cracked.
Sounds like you hit the nail on the... well, this sounds most likely.
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The shooter seems to have ptsd that's untreated :/. Such paranoia and rash decision making is a bi product of worrying about dying to criminals for over 40 years. This lead him to have a survival kill or be killed mentality.
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On October 12 2012 15:46 Jimmycliff wrote:
The shooter seems to have ptsd that's untreated :/. Such paranoia and rash decision making is a bi product of worrying about dying to criminals for over 40 years. This lead him to have a survival kill or be killed mentality.
He was a homicide detective, they investigate death scenes, they don't patrol, they sit in an office and wait for a call, and then go investigate the body. If you're interested in the subject, I recommend Homicide by David Simon.
Also, who are you to diagnose the man? It could be just as easily blamed on advanced age as it could on PTSD.
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On October 12 2012 15:27 Silidons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 15:25 KillAudio wrote:On October 12 2012 15:11 brachester wrote:
Jesus, this is not about why he owns a gun, but why the fuck does he just fucking shoot on sight? An ex-cop should have known better than that This. Exactly this. Should have identified first who's he shooting at. lol just imagine if every time someone breaks into a house, the homeowner said "hello sir, do you have identification?"
More like "hey son, is that you ?"
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On October 12 2012 15:33 essencez wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 15:29 nihoh wrote:
Why didn't he shoot to wound instead? Could have shot him in the back to paralyse instead, or the lower body it could have given him a good 20 minutes to get an ambulance to prevent death?... Theres a reason when police shoot they shoot to kill, wounds just means heap of lawsuits incoming.
That statement is false. When police shoot they are explicitly trained to wound, not kill.
Police aim for limbs; soldiers aim for center of mass.
Moreover the penalty for a lawsuit, at least in the US, is much higher if the victim of police mistreatment dies rather than being wounded, so your statement doesn't make sense, either.
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On October 12 2012 14:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:OP, Show nested quote +Well, why did the cop, and the teacher have a gun? And why is it their first instinct to shoot first? Time for another gun control debate, huh? Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 15:00 GolemMadness wrote:
This is why people shouldn't own guns. Too many lack the common sense to use them properly. No one should have the freedom to do X because a few people abuse X? Sounds rather silly, and I personally don't even care to own a gun. On topic: It's a tragedy. Perhaps they lived in a neighborhood where there's a lot of crime, or seeing as how it was late at night, perhaps the man was scared or tired. Obviously it was a mistake. Let's see what a judge says.
That's a flawed argument.
Iimagine everyone has a nuke and some crazy dude started using it, are you gonna support people to continue carrying nukes? and claim our argument is a silly sounding argument as well?
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BUT GUYS WE NEED THE GUNS TO PROTECT OURSELVES DON'T TAKE THEM AWAY
I really feel sorry for the few sane US citizens who aren't retarded enough to think you should always have a gun in the house no matter what.
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So, had it been an actual burglar, it would have been ok to shoot him in the head by US laws?
Wow...
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Even if guns were to be 100% outlawed for citizens of the US, there would still be a lot of people with guns, it would just develop the black market it has, to the level of what drugs has.
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On October 12 2012 16:08 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 14:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:OP, Well, why did the cop, and the teacher have a gun? And why is it their first instinct to shoot first? Time for another gun control debate, huh? On October 12 2012 15:00 GolemMadness wrote:
This is why people shouldn't own guns. Too many lack the common sense to use them properly. No one should have the freedom to do X because a few people abuse X? Sounds rather silly, and I personally don't even care to own a gun. On topic: It's a tragedy. Perhaps they lived in a neighborhood where there's a lot of crime, or seeing as how it was late at night, perhaps the man was scared or tired. Obviously it was a mistake. Let's see what a judge says. That's a flawed argument. Iimagine everyone has a nuke and some crazy dude started using it, are you gonna support people to continue carrying nukes? and claim our argument is a silly sounding argument as well?
Come on, nukes? Really? You're comparing gun ownership to a bomb that can kill millions in fractions of a second? Give me a break...
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Oh man, feel so bad for this guy. Must really really suck to be him right now
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On October 12 2012 16:12 Xayoz wrote:
So, had it been an actual burglar, it would have been ok to shoot him in the head by US laws?
Wow...
Different states have different laws regarding it.
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On October 12 2012 15:34 sevencck wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 15:33 essencez wrote:On October 12 2012 15:29 nihoh wrote:
Why didn't he shoot to wound instead? Could have shot him in the back to paralyse instead, or the lower body it could have given him a good 20 minutes to get an ambulance to prevent death?... Theres a reason when police shoot they shoot to kill, wounds just means heap of lawsuits incoming. Good heavens, life sure is cheap to some. Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 15:32 DannyJ wrote:On October 12 2012 15:28 jdseemoreglass wrote:On October 12 2012 15:27 Silidons wrote:On October 12 2012 15:24 MurDeRsc2 wrote:
When will people learn and make laws against guns? We don't need them. If no one had guns, why would you need a gun to protect yourself? Wish the people of the United States would learn. The Euro countries that have banned them are ahead of the curve. We are so backwards in so many ways.. I don't know Japanese law but it seems Japan has their shit together with gun law. I'm highly against gun ownership, but the US is too far gone to do anything about guns. There are too many in circulation which are both registered and unregistered. That is why when I'm older I'm going to move to a different country. Oh you are moving because of guns? Good idea. The odds of randomly getting shot are so high here. Especially if you live in the South. I can't tell if these posts are serious or not. If you are really thinking about leaving a country because you are afraid to get shot it wasn't just this dude shooting his son who is insanely paranoid... The U.S. is a great country, but I've gotta tell you, the prospect of doing a post doc in your country scares me a bit due to the gun culture.
Yeah, I like and visit the US on fairly regular occasions, but for the most part I don't feel safe at all. I can walk down the worst street/neighbourhood in my city just fine, because I know worse case scenario is someone runs out their house with a knife or some other melee weapon. In which case I'd still have a chance to run/defend myself from the crazed psycho.
The thought that gun access is so loose and so many people could potentially just up and shoot me is a frightening one. Not that all Americans are gun-touting pyschos lol, just that the potential and mentality is there.
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