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On September 18 2012 03:50 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 03:46 Positronic wrote:On September 18 2012 03:42 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 18 2012 03:37 Evilmystic wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks that using the terms "pedophilic" while speaking about content with postpubertal children or "child porn" to content where there is no pornography is beyond retarded? So I decided out of frustration not knowing whether they were 12 year olds or 17 or so on the site opened a few of the links... I found Faye Raegan, Lexi Belle and some other notable porn stars in the majority of the images. The rest looked like college students or older... Is this really what we're labling as child pornography now? Hell, maybe I'm a pedophile to then for watching some porn here and there. I think the image of CP should really be changed because when I went in looking I had my eyes squinted expecting to see someone the age of my little sister and then shut my laptop in horror... But not only did I NOT find any actual pornography (other then the actual porn stars) but none of them seemed underage... Anywho, if you're brave enough start looking but I only went into 3 of them and I mean after looking at the 3 and not seeing anything I feel comfortable to assume the rest probably are around the same. Anybody find anything else, my opinion would definitely change if they harbored actual child pornography. This line of reasoning is terrible. "I've looked at a minority of places where this has been reported and thanks to that small experience I've decided that I'm comfortable dismissing all the evidence to the contrary". Edit: Also you have no idea what is going on if you don't assume that the places hosting 12 year old girls vs 17 year olds aren't going to be private sub reddits now. I have yet to actually see any evidence of the contrary, and I said if anyone finds something else I'd have no issue changing my stance... I feel like everyone is blowing smoke but zero proof is ever shown with actual children for me to be outraged... I looked around, still haven't found anything. I may not have digged far enough but I have yet to see anyone pull up some disturbing shit. A better question is how do you know they're in the private sub forums (sure they might be, but I'm making assumptions based off of a little bit of looking around, you're basing assumptions off... Nothing? opinion?) Why are you so passive aggressive also, calm down.
Do you really want me to post proof of this stuff? It's probably bannable material on this website and the entire point of the original post is to show where this stuff has gone down on Reddit, and nobody should be forced to upload or link material of jailbait or childporn to satisfy you if you're not willing to believe it.
Especially if you've looked at only 3 of the subforums and act like you're more knowledgeable than someone who has actually worked with SomethingAwful to put this stuff out there (me). Or that you're comfortable with all the other forums based on that. What a ridiculous idea. XD man, you really are naive if you're asking stupid questions like "Well how do you know they're in private subreddits!?"
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Northern Ireland25339 Posts
Good job, drive it all underground where it's difficult to monitor people! At no stage do I claim anything like jailbait thread viwer = child rapist but it is probably advisable to keep an eye on some of the more abhorrent posters in these kind of subreddits.
And yes, there is a bit of a different between finding teens hot and child porn. Not to mention the issue of whether the girls in question consented to have their pictures used in such a manner.
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Russian Federation266 Posts
On September 18 2012 03:58 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 03:55 Evilmystic wrote:On September 18 2012 03:42 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 18 2012 03:37 Evilmystic wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks that using the terms "pedophilic" while speaking about content with postpubertal children or "child porn" to content where there is no pornography is beyond retarded? So I decided out of frustration not knowing whether they were 12 year olds or 17 or so on the site opened a few of the links... I found Faye Raegan, Lexi Belle and some other notable porn stars in the majority of the images. The rest looked like college students or older... Is this really what we're labling as child pornography now? Hell, maybe I'm a pedophile to then for watching some porn here and there. I think the image of CP should really be changed because when I went in looking I had my eyes squinted expecting to see someone the age of my little sister and then shut my laptop in horror... But not only did I NOT find any actual pornography (other then the actual porn stars) but none of them seemed underage... Anywho, if you're brave enough start looking but I only went into 3 of them and I mean after looking at the 3 and not seeing anything I feel comfortable to assume the rest probably are around the same. Anybody find anything else, my opinion would definitely change if they harbored actual child pornography. There is almost no real child pornography in the "normal" Internet, it only exists in cryptographic pseudonymous networks. The reason is pretty obvious - in almost every country in the world sharing such content is illegal and only really stupid people would risk doing it without proper "disguise", and stupid people rarely possess any sort of such content. Closest thing available outside of darknets/i2p/TOR/etc are pictures and videos of non-nude underage people (most of them posted by themselves on the social networks) and webcam porn with 16/17 y.o. girls (because it's often impossible to distinguish them from 18+ ones without actually checking their IDs). Ahh ok that makes more sense, then why is reddit involved? I mean if it's not on the "normal" internet, where reddit resides then how could this be there and no one see it? Maybe I just don't understand subreddits well enough.
I think about 99% of such reports about childporn are simply bullshit - it either doesn't contain underage people or isn't pornographic. Remaining 1% indeed report illegal material but it is removed as soon as moderators/admins of the site see it posted.
p.s. the numbers are made up, but I think they are not far away from reality
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On September 18 2012 03:50 Positronic wrote:
And yes, you could consider it just a medium, but you have to hold the administrators responsible for allowing exploitative material on the site when they have every tool to remove it, they just choose not to.
You make it sound so easy, though. Reddit already does remove illegal material; what's left is all questionably legal. Where do they draw the line on what to remove and what to leave, and how much effort are they supposed to expend doing so? If you think there should be no "morally corrupt" material on the Internet, we may as well shut the whole thing down right now.
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To be honest people need to fuck off about the teens in bras on reddit, it's a community that is formed of mainly under 18 people with the rest being around 18 to 22/4. Quite frankly i see nothing "morally" wrong with an 15 years old being turned on by someone who is 17, nor of a 20 years old that does the same thing.
The whole point of reddit is not to look at it as a "community", since its not a fucking community, is a bunch of communities and reddit is just a host site for them.
If you were to look at the top reddits ( aka politics, ama, "gaming", funny... etc) there are a whole bunch of other way fucking worse thing than suggestive teen photos.
And if you are gonna talk about legality ? They are in there damn rights to post those photo there as far as pornography goes since they are not fucking pornography.
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On September 18 2012 04:00 Positronic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 03:50 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 18 2012 03:46 Positronic wrote:On September 18 2012 03:42 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 18 2012 03:37 Evilmystic wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks that using the terms "pedophilic" while speaking about content with postpubertal children or "child porn" to content where there is no pornography is beyond retarded? So I decided out of frustration not knowing whether they were 12 year olds or 17 or so on the site opened a few of the links... I found Faye Raegan, Lexi Belle and some other notable porn stars in the majority of the images. The rest looked like college students or older... Is this really what we're labling as child pornography now? Hell, maybe I'm a pedophile to then for watching some porn here and there. I think the image of CP should really be changed because when I went in looking I had my eyes squinted expecting to see someone the age of my little sister and then shut my laptop in horror... But not only did I NOT find any actual pornography (other then the actual porn stars) but none of them seemed underage... Anywho, if you're brave enough start looking but I only went into 3 of them and I mean after looking at the 3 and not seeing anything I feel comfortable to assume the rest probably are around the same. Anybody find anything else, my opinion would definitely change if they harbored actual child pornography. This line of reasoning is terrible. "I've looked at a minority of places where this has been reported and thanks to that small experience I've decided that I'm comfortable dismissing all the evidence to the contrary". Edit: Also you have no idea what is going on if you don't assume that the places hosting 12 year old girls vs 17 year olds aren't going to be private sub reddits now. I have yet to actually see any evidence of the contrary, and I said if anyone finds something else I'd have no issue changing my stance... I feel like everyone is blowing smoke but zero proof is ever shown with actual children for me to be outraged... I looked around, still haven't found anything. I may not have digged far enough but I have yet to see anyone pull up some disturbing shit. A better question is how do you know they're in the private sub forums (sure they might be, but I'm making assumptions based off of a little bit of looking around, you're basing assumptions off... Nothing? opinion?) Why are you so passive aggressive also, calm down. Do you really want me to post proof of this stuff? It's probably bannable material on this website and the entire point of the original post is to show where this stuff has gone down on Reddit, and nobody should be forced to upload or link material of jailbait or childporn to satisfy you if you're not willing to believe it. Especially if you've looked at only 3 of the subforums and act like you're more knowledgeable than someone who has actually worked with SomethingAwful to put this stuff out there (me). Or that you're comfortable with all the other forums based on that. What a ridiculous idea. XD man, you really are naive if you're asking stupid questions like "Well how do you know they're in private subreddits!?"
There wont be any CP private subreddits on reddit. Like it has been said before, CP mostly is shared on stuff like TOR,darknet, ... where connections are secure and the feds can't get your IP. You'd be an idiot sharing CP on site a like reddit.
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Why the fuck did you post spam from SRS onto TL? They're a troll subreddit that is filled with hate and bigotry and the mods there will ban you immediately for going against the circlejerk (see their sidebar).
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Hey OP, why are you on the Internet? It disgusts me every time people use the internet when I know what kind of awful things exist there. I'm appalled about what those millions of users do on there.
Do you see the problem with your argument?
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On September 18 2012 04:13 Talho wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 04:00 Positronic wrote:On September 18 2012 03:50 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 18 2012 03:46 Positronic wrote:On September 18 2012 03:42 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 18 2012 03:37 Evilmystic wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks that using the terms "pedophilic" while speaking about content with postpubertal children or "child porn" to content where there is no pornography is beyond retarded? So I decided out of frustration not knowing whether they were 12 year olds or 17 or so on the site opened a few of the links... I found Faye Raegan, Lexi Belle and some other notable porn stars in the majority of the images. The rest looked like college students or older... Is this really what we're labling as child pornography now? Hell, maybe I'm a pedophile to then for watching some porn here and there. I think the image of CP should really be changed because when I went in looking I had my eyes squinted expecting to see someone the age of my little sister and then shut my laptop in horror... But not only did I NOT find any actual pornography (other then the actual porn stars) but none of them seemed underage... Anywho, if you're brave enough start looking but I only went into 3 of them and I mean after looking at the 3 and not seeing anything I feel comfortable to assume the rest probably are around the same. Anybody find anything else, my opinion would definitely change if they harbored actual child pornography. This line of reasoning is terrible. "I've looked at a minority of places where this has been reported and thanks to that small experience I've decided that I'm comfortable dismissing all the evidence to the contrary". Edit: Also you have no idea what is going on if you don't assume that the places hosting 12 year old girls vs 17 year olds aren't going to be private sub reddits now. I have yet to actually see any evidence of the contrary, and I said if anyone finds something else I'd have no issue changing my stance... I feel like everyone is blowing smoke but zero proof is ever shown with actual children for me to be outraged... I looked around, still haven't found anything. I may not have digged far enough but I have yet to see anyone pull up some disturbing shit. A better question is how do you know they're in the private sub forums (sure they might be, but I'm making assumptions based off of a little bit of looking around, you're basing assumptions off... Nothing? opinion?) Why are you so passive aggressive also, calm down. Do you really want me to post proof of this stuff? It's probably bannable material on this website and the entire point of the original post is to show where this stuff has gone down on Reddit, and nobody should be forced to upload or link material of jailbait or childporn to satisfy you if you're not willing to believe it. Especially if you've looked at only 3 of the subforums and act like you're more knowledgeable than someone who has actually worked with SomethingAwful to put this stuff out there (me). Or that you're comfortable with all the other forums based on that. What a ridiculous idea. XD man, you really are naive if you're asking stupid questions like "Well how do you know they're in private subreddits!?" There wont be any CP private subreddits on reddit. Like it has been said before, CP mostly is shared on stuff like TOR,darknet, ... where connections are secure and the feds can't get your IP. You'd be an idiot sharing CP on site a like reddit.
CP idiocy is not even really a question, for example a My Little Pony artist was livestreaming his drawing session awhile ago apparently and kept his stream open long enough for his viewers to get a good look at his child porn collection. Then I believe killed himself.
My problem with Reddit is more of the degree that they allow images of younger kids who have no idea about where their picture has ended up to be posted in forums dedicated to the sexual pleasure of those who have access to it. CP or jailbait, still feels very weird to be on a site that has that duality to it.
On September 18 2012 04:17 Rhine wrote:
Hey OP, why are you on the Internet? It disgusts me every time people use the internet when I know what kind of awful things exist there. I'm appalled about what those millions of users do on there.
Do you see the problem with your argument?
XD I'm not even going to respond to this because your argument actually makes no sense.
On September 18 2012 04:16 javy_ wrote:
Why the fuck did you post spam from SRS onto TL? They're a troll subreddit that is filled with hate and bigotry and the mods there will ban you immediately for going against the circlejerk (see their sidebar).
Because the entire purpose of SRS is to post the hate and bigotry that fills up Reddit? You do understand that the material posted there is from the rest of the site right? Be angry at Reddit as a whole or at the individuals posting the content that's shown in SRS, not the people making it known what idiocy is perpetrated there.
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On September 18 2012 01:46 TotalNightmare wrote:
Why the FUCK did you have to post a post that lists ALL the bloody child pornography on reddit!?
Its just the most fucking horrible idea to give those things more traffic.
Please edit. Seroisly.
PS:
forgive my language but really, I just had to be PERFECTLY CLEAR
Relax, only pedos and shitheads like that are going to visit that, and those people are going to fuck over (no pun intended) other people regardless of what they see on the internet.
As for the topic at hand, it is fucking retarded that Reddit is willing to tolerate this, for countless reasons I am sure I do not need to list for the sake of the people present. It is one of the main reasons I do not visit the site. You can be an idiotic idealist if it pleases you, but when you tolerate, and, indeed, assist people who, statistically speaking, cause incomprehensible suffering to dozens of people over their lifetimes, you need to go to hell.
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On September 18 2012 04:17 Rhine wrote:
Hey OP, why are you on the Internet? It disgusts me every time people use the internet when I know what kind of awful things exist there. I'm appalled about what those millions of users do on there.
Do you see the problem with your argument?
When you use the internet, it doesn't benefit the people who put the awful things up. If you agree that these subreddits are bad and that reddit should take them down, then you believe reddit itself (the owners/operators) is bad, and you going to the site directly benefits them through advertising.
You can debate whether reddit, which as a private website has the right to censor content that is posted, should use that authority, but if it *is* doing something very wrong, boycotting it is perfectly reasonable as a response.
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Wait a minute, so you are telling me, that you can find pictures of kids on the internet? Wait, wait, they are on a page that allows hosting pictures/links? Holy shit this is huge, we need to warn people!
Yes it's bad/illegal/horrible/enter whatever you feel like, but that's.... internet. I love when media try to wrap their heads around the internet at correct it's every corner, and mind you, it has a lot and I mean a lot of dark corners.
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I use reddit for things like /r/gaming, /r/trees because I like to see those high comics :D, and the front page. Still, after finding out about the hidden wiki nothing surprises me.
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I basically see reddit as a light-version of 4chan.
I barely ever go there except for maybe the sc2 and dota2 subreddits...
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On September 18 2012 04:00 Positronic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 03:50 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 18 2012 03:46 Positronic wrote:On September 18 2012 03:42 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 18 2012 03:37 Evilmystic wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks that using the terms "pedophilic" while speaking about content with postpubertal children or "child porn" to content where there is no pornography is beyond retarded? So I decided out of frustration not knowing whether they were 12 year olds or 17 or so on the site opened a few of the links... I found Faye Raegan, Lexi Belle and some other notable porn stars in the majority of the images. The rest looked like college students or older... Is this really what we're labling as child pornography now? Hell, maybe I'm a pedophile to then for watching some porn here and there. I think the image of CP should really be changed because when I went in looking I had my eyes squinted expecting to see someone the age of my little sister and then shut my laptop in horror... But not only did I NOT find any actual pornography (other then the actual porn stars) but none of them seemed underage... Anywho, if you're brave enough start looking but I only went into 3 of them and I mean after looking at the 3 and not seeing anything I feel comfortable to assume the rest probably are around the same. Anybody find anything else, my opinion would definitely change if they harbored actual child pornography. This line of reasoning is terrible. "I've looked at a minority of places where this has been reported and thanks to that small experience I've decided that I'm comfortable dismissing all the evidence to the contrary". Edit: Also you have no idea what is going on if you don't assume that the places hosting 12 year old girls vs 17 year olds aren't going to be private sub reddits now. I have yet to actually see any evidence of the contrary, and I said if anyone finds something else I'd have no issue changing my stance... I feel like everyone is blowing smoke but zero proof is ever shown with actual children for me to be outraged... I looked around, still haven't found anything. I may not have digged far enough but I have yet to see anyone pull up some disturbing shit. A better question is how do you know they're in the private sub forums (sure they might be, but I'm making assumptions based off of a little bit of looking around, you're basing assumptions off... Nothing? opinion?) Why are you so passive aggressive also, calm down. Do you really want me to post proof of this stuff? It's probably bannable material on this website and the entire point of the original post is to show where this stuff has gone down on Reddit, and nobody should be forced to upload or link material of jailbait or childporn to satisfy you if you're not willing to believe it. Especially if you've looked at only 3 of the subforums and act like you're more knowledgeable than someone who has actually worked with SomethingAwful to put this stuff out there (me). Or that you're comfortable with all the other forums based on that. What a ridiculous idea. XD man, you really are naive if you're asking stupid questions like "Well how do you know they're in private subreddits!?"
Oh, so you're one of those guys who is trying to be the world police, trying to shut down sites which shows any possibility of questionable content involving teen photos, no wonder SomethingAwful has such bad reputation. Why don't you ban subreddit like picsofdeadkids which is much worse than those listed ones. I know, it's socially acceptable to watch even the worst gore (including kids) but god forbid there is any photo of 17 year old girls on the internet. Thanks, America.
Just to note before I get accused by some prude mob, I do not support child pornography or child abuse in any way.
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On September 18 2012 04:32 jnd wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 04:00 Positronic wrote:On September 18 2012 03:50 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 18 2012 03:46 Positronic wrote:On September 18 2012 03:42 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 18 2012 03:37 Evilmystic wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks that using the terms "pedophilic" while speaking about content with postpubertal children or "child porn" to content where there is no pornography is beyond retarded? So I decided out of frustration not knowing whether they were 12 year olds or 17 or so on the site opened a few of the links... I found Faye Raegan, Lexi Belle and some other notable porn stars in the majority of the images. The rest looked like college students or older... Is this really what we're labling as child pornography now? Hell, maybe I'm a pedophile to then for watching some porn here and there. I think the image of CP should really be changed because when I went in looking I had my eyes squinted expecting to see someone the age of my little sister and then shut my laptop in horror... But not only did I NOT find any actual pornography (other then the actual porn stars) but none of them seemed underage... Anywho, if you're brave enough start looking but I only went into 3 of them and I mean after looking at the 3 and not seeing anything I feel comfortable to assume the rest probably are around the same. Anybody find anything else, my opinion would definitely change if they harbored actual child pornography. This line of reasoning is terrible. "I've looked at a minority of places where this has been reported and thanks to that small experience I've decided that I'm comfortable dismissing all the evidence to the contrary". Edit: Also you have no idea what is going on if you don't assume that the places hosting 12 year old girls vs 17 year olds aren't going to be private sub reddits now. I have yet to actually see any evidence of the contrary, and I said if anyone finds something else I'd have no issue changing my stance... I feel like everyone is blowing smoke but zero proof is ever shown with actual children for me to be outraged... I looked around, still haven't found anything. I may not have digged far enough but I have yet to see anyone pull up some disturbing shit. A better question is how do you know they're in the private sub forums (sure they might be, but I'm making assumptions based off of a little bit of looking around, you're basing assumptions off... Nothing? opinion?) Why are you so passive aggressive also, calm down. Do you really want me to post proof of this stuff? It's probably bannable material on this website and the entire point of the original post is to show where this stuff has gone down on Reddit, and nobody should be forced to upload or link material of jailbait or childporn to satisfy you if you're not willing to believe it. Especially if you've looked at only 3 of the subforums and act like you're more knowledgeable than someone who has actually worked with SomethingAwful to put this stuff out there (me). Or that you're comfortable with all the other forums based on that. What a ridiculous idea. XD man, you really are naive if you're asking stupid questions like "Well how do you know they're in private subreddits!?" Oh, so you're one of those guys who is trying to be the world police, trying to shut down sites which shows any possibility of questionable content involving teen photos, no wonder SomethingAwful has such bad reputation. Why don't you ban subreddit like picsofdeadkids which is much worse than those listed ones. I know, it's socially acceptable to watch even the worst gore (including kids) but god forbid there is any photo of 17 year old girls on the internet. Thanks, America. Just to note before I get accused by some prude mob, I do not support child pornography or child abuse in any way.
Actually SomethingAwful has done a lot of good things (tens of thousands of dollars donated to various causes around the world), but don't let that stop you from believing I'm working to take away your right to fantasize about that girl next door who's still in high school. And why wouldn't you get rid of a forum dedicated to posting pics of dead kids?\
edit: Yeah and GOD FORBID anything like this keep existing
"Creepshots' FAQ states: "Creepshots are CANDID. If a person is posing for and/or aware that a picture is being taken, then it ceases to be candid and thus is no longer a creepshot. A creepshot captures the natural, raw sexiness of the subject without their vain attempts at putting on a show for the camera. That is the essence of the creepshot, that is what makes a true creepshot worth the effort and that is why this sub-reddit exists.""
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Cooper Anderson, go home! His ideas are wrong and here's why, reddit is only a messenger and platform for communication. I don't mind that reddit harbors "creepy" pictures as those images were taken by a third person and eventual crimes are cannot be committed by a bystander. The censorship of internet has lead to the mass surveillance we have today.
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to be honest there are a lot worse things on Reddit than "facebook cleavage" *coughspacedickscough*
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Although this topic is out of date,I just wanna say that if you spend any time at all on the site, it becomes apparent that there are a lot of racists and sexists on reddit. On top of that, the non bigoted people on there have some gut reaction against censorship so for some reason they think that they need to defend the rights of everyone else no matter how ugly their opinions. Also a lot of young kids read reddit, and if they see this shit as accepted on reddit, they might think its acceptable in everyday life, which can lead to some screwed up kids.
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Russian Federation266 Posts
On September 18 2012 04:53 besteady wrote:
Although this topic is out of date,I just wanna say that if you spend any time at all on the site, it becomes apparent that there are a lot of racists and sexists on reddit. On top of that, the non bigoted people on there have some gut reaction against censorship so for some reason they think that they need to defend the rights of everyone else no matter how ugly their opinions. Also a lot of young kids read reddit, and if they see this shit as accepted on reddit, they might think its acceptable in everyday life, which can lead to some screwed up kids.
And they are completely right with their position.
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