EPT![[image loading]](http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Hopton/4469.jpg)
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Supermarine Spitfire Type 365-Mk PRXI
![[image loading]](http://www.spitfiresociety.demon.co.uk/spitpix/pl983_l.jpg)
Poll: Spitfire or Swallow?
(Vote): Supermarine Spitfire
(Vote): Messerschmitt Swallow
(Vote): ... f u
So which one you guys like best? Vote away.
-Mynock
[P] Spit or Swallow (w/ pictures)
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Mynock
4492 Posts
or Supermarine Spitfire Type 365-Mk PRXI Poll: Spitfire or Swallow? (Vote): Supermarine Spitfire (Vote): Messerschmitt Swallow (Vote): ... f u So which one you guys like best? Vote away. -Mynock | ||
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QuietIdiot
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 Are these WWII planes and how well did the two perform in combat/flight?edit: ZOMg I just got it  | ||
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Oxygen
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you own | ||
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EAGER-beaver
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Man I was disapointed! | ||
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miNi
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FuDDx
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oneofthem
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Locked
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..... SUPERMARINE!!!11 | ||
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decafchicken
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OctoPuSs
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CyuntiyuL
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On January 17 2006 17:09 decafchicken wrote: I knew this was gonna be some sort of twisted pun. I was kind of hoping it was a pun when I saw "w/ pictures" | ||
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inkblot
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EvilTeletubby
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baal
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Theres an anecdote where the best pilot returning after a difficult mission met the Fürer in person and when he offered anything he wanted he said "i want a spirtfire" lol :D | ||
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artofmagic
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to miss the mark
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On January 17 2006 20:14 artofmagic wrote: i bet everyone who checked this topic, expected something else.. Really? | ||
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Mynock
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On January 17 2006 19:50 EvilTeletubby wrote: Honestly Mynock, how long had you been planning on doing this? Haha, good question, I first had the idea 3 days ago, just didn't want to go on any forums while studying... :/ -Mynock | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA | ||
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miNi
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MoltkeWarding
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Not that it matters, even an armed Mk IX spitfire is no match in air to air combat against a 262, but at least it would have been a fight. :/ | ||
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Xeroth
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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but thats not what this thread is about | ||
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Ack1027
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On January 17 2006 22:15 MoltkeWarding wrote: Unfortunately, the designation on this Mk XI spitfire is PR (Photographic reconaissance) meaning they are unarmed. Not that it matters, even an armed Mk IX spitfire is no match in air to air combat against a 262, but at least it would have been a fight. :/ Why? | ||
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rpf289
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MoltkeWarding
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Here is a chart of WW2 fighters: Speed in Km/h vs Altitude in M ![[image loading]](http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8641/fightercomparison8fc.gif) Blue = Spitfire Mk. IX (on which the Mk. XI was based) Green = P51 Mustang Yellow = Spitfire Mk.21 Red = Me-262 http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/gustin_military/perf/perf.html | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27150 Posts
Would you like to play the speculative historian and tell me your opinion? Had germany not focused so much on the V rockets and successfully completed the development of their jet aircraft, would it have changed the outcome of the war? I wrote a paper on this a couple years ago and found it an interesting topic. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
I don't really know how good germany's preliminary jet fighters were on range (the focke wulfe was a hunk of junk, come on) but if their early efforts could give them the boost they needed in time, Britain would be mangled and it would be germany versus us, the americans, and the ruskies. I don't think they could have held their territory for long (especially if they'd occupied Britain as well) considering how fast they fell after Normandy.  | ||
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Manit0u
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![[image loading]](http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/9378/bf38.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/9378/bf33.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/9378/bf4.jpg) Messerschmitt BF-109 simply beautiful | ||
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Passion
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edit: anyway! On January 17 2006 23:08 MoltkeWarding wrote: Here is a chart of WW2 fighters: Speed in Km/h vs Altitude in M Blue = Spitfire Mk. IX (on which the Mk. XI was based) Green = P51 Mustang Yellow = Spitfire Mk.21 Red = Me-262 http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/gustin_military/perf/perf.html Rating a plane solely on these statistics is bullshit. On January 17 2006 23:47 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Mani you know as well as the rest of us that if Germany's fighter aircraft had better range Britain would have been fucked I don't really know how good germany's preliminary jet fighters were on range (the focke wulfe was a hunk of junk, come on) but if their early efforts could give them the boost they needed in time, Britain would be mangled and it would be germany versus us, the americans, and the ruskies. I don't think they could have held their territory for long (especially if they'd occupied Britain as well) considering how fast they fell after Normandy. the occupation of britain would mean that the US would have to start their invasion all the way from the other side of the ocean and would give German extended control of the waters. so first of all, they'd see the invasion coming long before it would actually happen, and prepare accordingly second, they would be able to do (more) damage before the actual drop. third, air attacks were mostly based from the UK. UK being under German control would take away this risk and the diverse resource could be relocated to better use. etc. so basically, controlling britain would have made a huge difference stratigically and warfare based. the outcome of the second world war might have been completely different. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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We'll never know if it would have been enough though | ||
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Luhh
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As far as armament, they were about equal. I read in an artice where some german pilots actually had some problems with the me-262 just because of it's great speed. They had very little time to actually aim and fire, and it frequently overshot more agile fighters or slow bombers. But in the end I guess I agree that the advantage would be with the 262, because the spit would be fighting on the 262 pilots terms due to difference in speed. The best german fighter was most likely the FW-190. Powerful engine, good climbrate, good turning rate, heavy figherpower, and sturdy. Also, the early fighters had trouble with visibility because of the cockpit positioning. As you see on the early spit, they couldn't check their six easily because the cockpit was buried in the fuselage. Later on it was raised and positioned more ontop, as well as having thicker and larger shaped glass design. Edit: Btw, that first picture is not of an ME-262, and I love the design of the ME-109 despite of all it's flaws. ^^ | ||
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