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JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
May 05 2012 19:01 GMT
#241
On May 06 2012 03:52 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 03:34 Goozen wrote:
As i and many have said, money will be replaced by something else. and what people forget is we will all be averaged out to a global scale, so 1pc for 20 people, 1tv for 15, 3people will live in 1 room etc. basically we will all be quite poor.


we have the technology and resources to easily make 7 billion PC 7 billion cell phones 7 billlion apartments/houses.
And the stuff wont be built to fail after warrenty it will be built to be exchangable recycling meaning u can update your phone for a better version maybe specialized for whatever your intresst might be.

If You took every car every cell phone every TV that had been lost to cyclical consumption it will greatly exceed 7 billion.

ownage is useless access i everything.

its more efficent to Stream a movie then it is to download burn it down and save it forever. Same goes for cars,boats.

When you become aware whats possible and in some places been done you get furious the rest of the world hasent kept up.


Countries that can't afford TVs generally don't have widespread broadband internet access either. In other words, it's only more efficient after you've already spent billions building out your IT infrastructure.

And no, I don't want to share ownership of my car. Rentals are always beat to hell. Tragedy of the commons at its finest...
Goozen
Profile Joined February 2012
Israel701 Posts
May 05 2012 19:07 GMT
#242
On May 06 2012 03:52 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 03:34 Goozen wrote:
As i and many have said, money will be replaced by something else. and what people forget is we will all be averaged out to a global scale, so 1pc for 20 people, 1tv for 15, 3people will live in 1 room etc. basically we will all be quite poor.


we have the technology and resources to easily make 7 billion PC 7 billion cell phones 7 billlion apartments/houses.
And the stuff wont be built to fail after warrenty it will be built to be exchangable recycling meaning u can update your phone for a better version maybe specialized for whatever your intresst might be.

If You took every car every cell phone every TV that had been lost to cyclical consumption it will greatly exceed 7 billion.

ownage is useless access i everything.

its more efficent to Stream a movie then it is to download burn it down and save it forever. Same goes for cars,boats.

When you become aware whats possible and in some places been done you get furious the rest of the world hasent kept up.

We dont have enough of those resources, never mind the power output required to power all of these as it will be 20x our current usage.
Alot of cellphones get recycled so even though in total we have passed the 7billion we wont have all at once.
We lack room, infrastructure and resources unless you want people living in mass higrises with about 2rooms for a 5man family.
i Also dont understand how you can compare the streaming of a movie to cars and boats? please explain this.
Never mind the fact every time the tech changes it will take years to keep up so basically you get a pc that you cant change for 20 years.
The flaws in this idea are massive. every economist and city planner will tell you why its rubbish and unrealistic (all our needs from wind and solar? really?) and this is before talking about the lack of incentive and the fact robots cannot do these things yet.
DeliCiousVP
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden343 Posts
May 05 2012 19:08 GMT
#243
On May 06 2012 03:48 Toasterbaked wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 03:29 DeliCiousVP wrote:
On May 06 2012 03:02 DeathCompany wrote:
Mmmmmm so... what ever i am entitled to and can receive... the homeless man down the block who doesnt work or anything. gets aswell?


You think u work hard ? Your think you work harder then a 16 hour sweatshop laborer that works for less then a dollar? You are siphoning of the stockmarket exploiting the rest of the world. If that hobo isen't entitled to anything your entitled to half of a dollar a day. We all live on welfare from our countries whether we work or not.


Those events are indeed unfortunate to see, but the idea you are suggesting (that the laborer becomes equally paid as say, a heart surgeon) is the equivalent of communism. Fair wages are definitely possible within a capitalist system.

What are you suggesting we do about them?


This is not communism, Its conciousness its acknowledging how the world works. People saying this would never work are confused it is already working it has been since the agricultural evolution.

We lost the phone connectors we lost ATM people we lost people working in the field. Technological unemployment is whats taking the jobs its why 600 million people across the world is unemployed.

Either you accept this as fact or you condemn 600 million people to die an continue to senteance 200 000 people to death every day. all because you value being "right" "your opinion" and "illusion" over reality
www.youtube.com/user/DeliCiousTZM
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
May 05 2012 19:12 GMT
#244
On May 06 2012 04:08 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 03:48 Toasterbaked wrote:
On May 06 2012 03:29 DeliCiousVP wrote:
On May 06 2012 03:02 DeathCompany wrote:
Mmmmmm so... what ever i am entitled to and can receive... the homeless man down the block who doesnt work or anything. gets aswell?


You think u work hard ? Your think you work harder then a 16 hour sweatshop laborer that works for less then a dollar? You are siphoning of the stockmarket exploiting the rest of the world. If that hobo isen't entitled to anything your entitled to half of a dollar a day. We all live on welfare from our countries whether we work or not.


Those events are indeed unfortunate to see, but the idea you are suggesting (that the laborer becomes equally paid as say, a heart surgeon) is the equivalent of communism. Fair wages are definitely possible within a capitalist system.

What are you suggesting we do about them?


This is not communism, Its conciousness its acknowledging how the world works. People saying this would never work are confused it is already working it has been since the agricultural evolution.

We lost the phone connectors we lost ATM people we lost people working in the field. Technological unemployment is whats taking the jobs its why 600 million people across the world is unemployed.

Either you accept this as fact or you condemn 600 million people to die an continue to senteance 200 000 people to death every day. all because you value being "right" "your opinion" and "illusion" over reality


Please explain your nonsense about sentencing 200,000 people to death every day. I'd love to hear what fantasy land you live in.
DeliCiousVP
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden343 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 19:20:13
May 05 2012 19:15 GMT
#245
On May 06 2012 04:07 Goozen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 03:52 DeliCiousVP wrote:
On May 06 2012 03:34 Goozen wrote:
As i and many have said, money will be replaced by something else. and what people forget is we will all be averaged out to a global scale, so 1pc for 20 people, 1tv for 15, 3people will live in 1 room etc. basically we will all be quite poor.


we have the technology and resources to easily make 7 billion PC 7 billion cell phones 7 billlion apartments/houses.
And the stuff wont be built to fail after warrenty it will be built to be exchangable recycling meaning u can update your phone for a better version maybe specialized for whatever your intresst might be.

If You took every car every cell phone every TV that had been lost to cyclical consumption it will greatly exceed 7 billion.

ownage is useless access i everything.

its more efficent to Stream a movie then it is to download burn it down and save it forever. Same goes for cars,boats.

When you become aware whats possible and in some places been done you get furious the rest of the world hasent kept up.

We dont have enough of those resources, never mind the power output required to power all of these as it will be 20x our current usage.
Alot of cellphones get recycled so even though in total we have passed the 7billion we wont have all at once.
We lack room, infrastructure and resources unless you want people living in mass higrises with about 2rooms for a 5man family.
i Also dont understand how you can compare the streaming of a movie to cars and boats? please explain this.
Never mind the fact every time the tech changes it will take years to keep up so basically you get a pc that you cant change for 20 years.
The flaws in this idea are massive. every economist and city planner will tell you why its rubbish and unrealistic (all our needs from wind and solar? really?) and this is before talking about the lack of incentive and the fact robots cannot do these things yet.


We have enough resources, Obviously infrastructre would need to be built to accompony this for every country we have abundant with energy but its hard for many of you to realise this because you havent received the information needed.

Many of you are builing this puzzle with 6/20 pieces missing but if you have all the pieces it becomes commen sense.

Lets say you dont own a car you have access to one your first thought is "I dont wanna wait some 10 minutes to get my car" to my house thats some BS I agree and you could own your own car untill the system would be efficent enough to facilitate the pace you require.

We could effienctly put 400 billion people on the earth without living crowded and thats not counting water and underwater cities.

And lets not forget we need to get out there and fight the Zerg But when we go we wont have some weak monetary infrastructure but a Resource based economy.

Its a transition nobody is gonna stop you from owning a car but when you feel its more satifiying to trade it in for access instead you do that and not one second before.
www.youtube.com/user/DeliCiousTZM
Razuik
Profile Joined October 2010
United States409 Posts
May 05 2012 19:22 GMT
#246
On May 05 2012 21:35 Toasterbaked wrote:
I can't believe people are taking this seriously...

Money, a mere tool for convenience of trading efficiently, is not a problem of the world (people wouldn't be magically attracted to money if it had no value) but it is simply an outlet for human greed, that everyone wants more and more.

You're all going to be living in the same value of houses, same clothes, same value of cars, ect because...

Everyone wants to live in a palace, but there will not be enough resources to make one for everyone... If the guy next to you gets a palace for free, what's stopping you from getting a palace?

You would have to *work* for the palace. That is the fundamentals of capitalism.

Also, it is not to mention that someone/some organization will have to be in control to monitor the supply distribution,
supposedly 100% made from robots, which will give the person/group practically indefinite power over people.

This is a system bound to fail as relies on the goodwill of everyone.

It's amazing how easily people are persuaded by a happy video full of happy pictures of happy people doing absolutely no work.
Goozen
Profile Joined February 2012
Israel701 Posts
May 05 2012 19:25 GMT
#247
On May 06 2012 04:15 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 04:07 Goozen wrote:
On May 06 2012 03:52 DeliCiousVP wrote:
On May 06 2012 03:34 Goozen wrote:
As i and many have said, money will be replaced by something else. and what people forget is we will all be averaged out to a global scale, so 1pc for 20 people, 1tv for 15, 3people will live in 1 room etc. basically we will all be quite poor.


we have the technology and resources to easily make 7 billion PC 7 billion cell phones 7 billlion apartments/houses.
And the stuff wont be built to fail after warrenty it will be built to be exchangable recycling meaning u can update your phone for a better version maybe specialized for whatever your intresst might be.

If You took every car every cell phone every TV that had been lost to cyclical consumption it will greatly exceed 7 billion.

ownage is useless access i everything.

its more efficent to Stream a movie then it is to download burn it down and save it forever. Same goes for cars,boats.

When you become aware whats possible and in some places been done you get furious the rest of the world hasent kept up.

We dont have enough of those resources, never mind the power output required to power all of these as it will be 20x our current usage.
Alot of cellphones get recycled so even though in total we have passed the 7billion we wont have all at once.
We lack room, infrastructure and resources unless you want people living in mass higrises with about 2rooms for a 5man family.
i Also dont understand how you can compare the streaming of a movie to cars and boats? please explain this.
Never mind the fact every time the tech changes it will take years to keep up so basically you get a pc that you cant change for 20 years.
The flaws in this idea are massive. every economist and city planner will tell you why its rubbish and unrealistic (all our needs from wind and solar? really?) and this is before talking about the lack of incentive and the fact robots cannot do these things yet.


We have enough resources, Obviously infrastructre would need to be built to accompony this for every country we have abundant with energy but its hard for many of you to realise this because you havent received the information needed.

Many of you are builing this puzzle with 6/20 pieces missing but if you have all the pieces it becomes commen sense.

Lets say you dont own a care you have access to one your first thought is "I dont wanna wait some 10 minutes to get my car" to my house thats some BS I agree and you could own your own care untill the system would be efficent enough to facilitate the pace you require.

We could effienctly put 400 billion people on the earth without living crowded and thats not counting water and underwater cities.

And lets not forget we need to get out there and fight the Zerg But when we go we wont have some weak monetary infrastructure but a Resource based economy.

Its a transition nobody is gonna stop you from owning a car but when you feel its more satifiying to trade it in for access instead you do that and not one second before.


Enlighten me on us having enough power and resources for all his, tell me how will you stop people from owning things and enforce laws without fines? how do you get the whole world to agree to this? how do we get the few who need to work to actually work when they get all they need? how do we stop people finding somthing else to replace money? (location as status, clothes, arts etc). Water and underwater cites? really? imagine a tsunami on 1 of those never mind the upkeep and resources to construct. how do we stop people from being more wasteful when everything is "free"? Also the whole bit of "ownership" not exesting dosnt work and smells of communisim, want a good example? here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz

This "idea" is just like saying: "if we had world peace all would be good" without saying how thats even remotely doable.
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
May 05 2012 19:25 GMT
#248
On May 06 2012 04:15 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 04:07 Goozen wrote:
On May 06 2012 03:52 DeliCiousVP wrote:
On May 06 2012 03:34 Goozen wrote:
As i and many have said, money will be replaced by something else. and what people forget is we will all be averaged out to a global scale, so 1pc for 20 people, 1tv for 15, 3people will live in 1 room etc. basically we will all be quite poor.


we have the technology and resources to easily make 7 billion PC 7 billion cell phones 7 billlion apartments/houses.
And the stuff wont be built to fail after warrenty it will be built to be exchangable recycling meaning u can update your phone for a better version maybe specialized for whatever your intresst might be.

If You took every car every cell phone every TV that had been lost to cyclical consumption it will greatly exceed 7 billion.

ownage is useless access i everything.

its more efficent to Stream a movie then it is to download burn it down and save it forever. Same goes for cars,boats.

When you become aware whats possible and in some places been done you get furious the rest of the world hasent kept up.

We dont have enough of those resources, never mind the power output required to power all of these as it will be 20x our current usage.
Alot of cellphones get recycled so even though in total we have passed the 7billion we wont have all at once.
We lack room, infrastructure and resources unless you want people living in mass higrises with about 2rooms for a 5man family.
i Also dont understand how you can compare the streaming of a movie to cars and boats? please explain this.
Never mind the fact every time the tech changes it will take years to keep up so basically you get a pc that you cant change for 20 years.
The flaws in this idea are massive. every economist and city planner will tell you why its rubbish and unrealistic (all our needs from wind and solar? really?) and this is before talking about the lack of incentive and the fact robots cannot do these things yet.


We have enough resources, Obviously infrastructre would need to be built to accompony this for every country we have abundant with energy but its hard for many of you to realise this because you havent received the information needed.

Many of you are builing this puzzle with 6/20 pieces missing but if you have all the pieces it becomes commen sense.

Lets say you dont own a car you have access to one your first thought is "I dont wanna wait some 10 minutes to get my car" to my house thats some BS I agree and you could own your own car untill the system would be efficent enough to facilitate the pace you require.

We could effienctly put 400 billion people on the earth without living crowded and thats not counting water and underwater cities.

And lets not forget we need to get out there and fight the Zerg But when we go we wont have some weak monetary infrastructure but a Resource based economy.

Its a transition nobody is gonna stop you from owning a car but when you feel its more satifiying to trade it in for access instead you do that and not one second before.


'Resource based economy' = magic and pixy dust

There is ZERO evidence that proves it would work let alone that it would be better than the current system.
DeliCiousVP
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden343 Posts
May 05 2012 19:27 GMT
#249
On May 06 2012 04:22 Razuik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 21:35 Toasterbaked wrote:
I can't believe people are taking this seriously...

Money, a mere tool for convenience of trading efficiently, is not a problem of the world (people wouldn't be magically attracted to money if it had no value) but it is simply an outlet for human greed, that everyone wants more and more.

You're all going to be living in the same value of houses, same clothes, same value of cars, ect because...

Everyone wants to live in a palace, but there will not be enough resources to make one for everyone... If the guy next to you gets a palace for free, what's stopping you from getting a palace?

You would have to *work* for the palace. That is the fundamentals of capitalism.

Also, it is not to mention that someone/some organization will have to be in control to monitor the supply distribution,
supposedly 100% made from robots, which will give the person/group practically indefinite power over people.

This is a system bound to fail as relies on the goodwill of everyone.

It's amazing how easily people are persuaded by a happy video full of happy pictures of happy people doing absolutely no work.


Its amazing how people block out transformative information in favour of status quo and static identities. That fascinates me. i feel bad for some of my American brothers who must have gone through intense social programing to assume anything that isent letting hobos starve to death on the street is communism.
www.youtube.com/user/DeliCiousTZM
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
May 05 2012 19:33 GMT
#250
On May 06 2012 04:27 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 04:22 Razuik wrote:
On May 05 2012 21:35 Toasterbaked wrote:
I can't believe people are taking this seriously...

Money, a mere tool for convenience of trading efficiently, is not a problem of the world (people wouldn't be magically attracted to money if it had no value) but it is simply an outlet for human greed, that everyone wants more and more.

You're all going to be living in the same value of houses, same clothes, same value of cars, ect because...

Everyone wants to live in a palace, but there will not be enough resources to make one for everyone... If the guy next to you gets a palace for free, what's stopping you from getting a palace?

You would have to *work* for the palace. That is the fundamentals of capitalism.

Also, it is not to mention that someone/some organization will have to be in control to monitor the supply distribution,
supposedly 100% made from robots, which will give the person/group practically indefinite power over people.

This is a system bound to fail as relies on the goodwill of everyone.

It's amazing how easily people are persuaded by a happy video full of happy pictures of happy people doing absolutely no work.


Its amazing how people block out transformative information in favour of status quo and static identities. That fascinates me. i feel bad for some of my American brothers who must have gone through intense social programing to assume anything that isent letting hobos starve to death on the street is communism.


Yeah because we totally don't have homeless shelters and welfare in the US.
Goozen
Profile Joined February 2012
Israel701 Posts
May 05 2012 19:35 GMT
#251
On May 06 2012 04:27 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Its amazing how people block out transformative information in favour of status quo and static identities. That fascinates me. i feel bad for some of my American brothers who must have gone through intense social programing to assume anything that isent letting hobos starve to death on the street is communism.


You totally ignored that he basically said and has been proven time and time again why this idea will fail and not only because its actual communism and not socialist. so your attack is irrelevant to whats discussed here in any way shape or form.
Toasterbaked
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States160 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 19:48:09
May 05 2012 19:42 GMT
#252
On May 06 2012 04:27 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 04:22 Razuik wrote:
On May 05 2012 21:35 Toasterbaked wrote:
I can't believe people are taking this seriously...

Money, a mere tool for convenience of trading efficiently, is not a problem of the world (people wouldn't be magically attracted to money if it had no value) but it is simply an outlet for human greed, that everyone wants more and more.

You're all going to be living in the same value of houses, same clothes, same value of cars, ect because...

Everyone wants to live in a palace, but there will not be enough resources to make one for everyone... If the guy next to you gets a palace for free, what's stopping you from getting a palace?

You would have to *work* for the palace. That is the fundamentals of capitalism.

Also, it is not to mention that someone/some organization will have to be in control to monitor the supply distribution,
supposedly 100% made from robots, which will give the person/group practically indefinite power over people.

This is a system bound to fail as relies on the goodwill of everyone.

It's amazing how easily people are persuaded by a happy video full of happy pictures of happy people doing absolutely no work.


Its amazing how people block out transformative information in favour of status quo and static identities. That fascinates me. i feel bad for some of my American brothers who must have gone through intense social programing to assume anything that isent letting hobos starve to death on the street is communism.


Capitalism =/= letting people starve to death. In what point of this argument did I state that hobos deserved to die because they couldn't find work?

The statement I made above refers to the moneyless, "free" society that the OP is discussing, rather than to the homeless.

On May 05 2012 11:44 BlindKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 11:05 Le French wrote:
Not new. Marx and even Adam Smith has proposed this before. Its not impossible, but it will take international cooperation and a major reworking of social systems.


Not to mention reworking the way a human behaves. Put me in a system that has everything out for free and no effort required and I'll break it in a month.

First of all imagine the world with limited resources ..... and then imagine that demands of resources are regulated by how much one have in exchange for the resources. Then imagine a system that would allow you to obtain resources without offering any in return. The level of resources demanded would skyrocket (based on my common sense) : From teenagers wanting TWO Ipads (because one is too mainstream) to people living below poverty line getting stuff for free and their standard of living goes up to match those teenagers.

Yes all this is yippie and hippie, everyone is well fed, having the time of their lives, just generally happy.
Here comes the crunch:
Who wants to work and create resources (manufacturers, entrepreneurs) for others for no return, whilst others are having the time of their lives hanging out with their friends and families?
Who wants spend time to obtain the necessary credentials (CPA, doctor, engineering) and provide the resources to others?

Whilst demand for resources increases, supply for resources decreases (Some people will stay working because they like working but my common sense dictates that a lot wouldnt).

Imagine Gen-Z kids who grow up thinking they are entitled to a computer, car,PS3, X-Box (luxuries). Imagine a whole world filled with whiny immature humans who want more and more and more whilst giving less and less.

The tendency to want more and more (greed) coupled with the tendency to take the path of least resistance (laziness) would cause the system to implode and descend into anarchy.

If the system does get put in place, I hope I am right in the middle of it when it happens and pray it lasts longer than my life so I don't have to suffer in the future.

+1
Aka lossmule.sky in east
DeliCiousVP
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden343 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 19:48:21
May 05 2012 19:44 GMT
#253
First of socialism is great obviously the propaganda in the US is blackcoating it and its one of the no no words. And im only trying to "Enlighten" you all because of the suffering it will save the people around you and across the globe.

This is the future and its coming and you will acknowledge it all hopefully sooner rather then later. Its a marathon and some of us already reached the goal and are waiting for the rest of you all catch up.

my personal reason for supporting this has nothing to do with the wellbeing of the world but rather that researchers will have the means they need to discover cures and make us all live forever.

So sons dont you all wanna live forever.

“Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized In the first it is ridiculed, in the second it is opposed, in the third it is regarded as self-evident” - Arthur Schopenhauer
www.youtube.com/user/DeliCiousTZM
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
May 05 2012 19:49 GMT
#254
On May 06 2012 04:44 DeliCiousVP wrote:
First of socialism is great obviously the propaganda in the US is blackcoating it and its one of the no no words. And im only trying to "Enlighten" you all because of the suffering it will save the people around you and across the globe.

This is the future and its coming and you will acknowledge it all hopefully sooner rather then later. Its a marathon and some of us already reached the goal and are waiting for the rest of you all catch up.

my personal reason for supporting this has nothing to do with the wellbeing of the world but rather that researchers will have the reasons they need to discover cures and make us all live forever.

So sons dont you all wanna live forever.

“Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized In the first it is ridiculed, in the second it is opposed, in the third it is regarded as self-evident” - Arthur Schopenhauer


Do you have ANYTHING other than a shiny video as proof it will work?

Like mathematical formulas or empirical evidence? Anything?
Goozen
Profile Joined February 2012
Israel701 Posts
May 05 2012 19:49 GMT
#255
On May 06 2012 04:44 DeliCiousVP wrote:
First of socialism is great obviously the propaganda in the US is blackcoating it and its one of the no no words. And im only trying to "Enlighten" you all because of the suffering it will save the people around you and across the globe.

This is the future and its coming and you will acknowledge it all hopefully sooner rather then later. Its a marathon and some of us already reached the goal and are waiting for the rest of you all catch up.

my personal reason for supporting this has nothing to do with the wellbeing of the world but rather that researchers will have the reasons they need to discover cures and make us all live forever.

So sons dont you all wanna live forever.

“Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized In the first it is ridiculed, in the second it is opposed, in the third it is regarded as self-evident” - Arthur Schopenhauer


So basically you ignore all the facts and issues people have posted and yet you say it will happen..... not to mention you attack the US when people from many places have told you why this wont work.
This is sort of like ron paul supports saying "he will win you will see!" despite the fact he will loose horribly.
Toasterbaked
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States160 Posts
May 05 2012 19:52 GMT
#256
So... This idea is going to make us all immortal?

Total socialism is ridiculed because it has been tried before, which has proven to fail.

I'm going to ignore the hippy-style "I know the how the future should run and you are all too stupid to understand" statement.
Aka lossmule.sky in east
DeliCiousVP
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden343 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 20:11:46
May 05 2012 20:08 GMT
#257
On May 06 2012 04:49 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 04:44 DeliCiousVP wrote:
First of socialism is great obviously the propaganda in the US is blackcoating it and its one of the no no words. And im only trying to "Enlighten" you all because of the suffering it will save the people around you and across the globe.

This is the future and its coming and you will acknowledge it all hopefully sooner rather then later. Its a marathon and some of us already reached the goal and are waiting for the rest of you all catch up.

my personal reason for supporting this has nothing to do with the wellbeing of the world but rather that researchers will have the reasons they need to discover cures and make us all live forever.

So sons dont you all wanna live forever.

“Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized In the first it is ridiculed, in the second it is opposed, in the third it is regarded as self-evident” - Arthur Schopenhauer


Do you have ANYTHING other than a shiny video as proof it will work?

Like mathematical formulas or empirical evidence? Anything?


Yes

There are alot of places where you can get this information, But i get the impression you are more intrested in trying to debunk and riddicule then actualy take in information and will spend your time question the integretity of everything.

https://www.google.se/#q=Zeitgeist&hl=sv&prmd=imvns&source=univ&tbm=vid&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=yIelT4GQNfT04QT4veCnCQ&sqi=2&ved=0CKoBEKsE&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=5b23f1c1728a9645&biw=1920&bih=1070

Also socialist countries are proving vastly superior in Public Health/Education/Longevity. One of the reasons swedes are so good (In comparasion to population of the country) in so many things is because of their socialistic values. Obviously the proganda machine in the US would never let that slip through.

DId you know that Finish kids are among the most educated kids in the world while having the shortest work days? 4 hour school vs 12 hour korean school.
www.youtube.com/user/DeliCiousTZM
Goozen
Profile Joined February 2012
Israel701 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 20:17:32
May 05 2012 20:16 GMT
#258
On May 06 2012 05:08 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 04:49 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2012 04:44 DeliCiousVP wrote:
First of socialism is great obviously the propaganda in the US is blackcoating it and its one of the no no words. And im only trying to "Enlighten" you all because of the suffering it will save the people around you and across the globe.

This is the future and its coming and you will acknowledge it all hopefully sooner rather then later. Its a marathon and some of us already reached the goal and are waiting for the rest of you all catch up.

my personal reason for supporting this has nothing to do with the wellbeing of the world but rather that researchers will have the reasons they need to discover cures and make us all live forever.

So sons dont you all wanna live forever.

“Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized In the first it is ridiculed, in the second it is opposed, in the third it is regarded as self-evident” - Arthur Schopenhauer


Do you have ANYTHING other than a shiny video as proof it will work?

Like mathematical formulas or empirical evidence? Anything?


Yes

There are alot of places where you can get this information, But i get the impression you are more intrested in trying to debunk and riddicule then actualy take in information and will spend your time question the integretity of everything.

https://www.google.se/#q=Zeitgeist&hl=sv&prmd=imvns&source=univ&tbm=vid&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=yIelT4GQNfT04QT4veCnCQ&sqi=2&ved=0CKoBEKsE&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=5b23f1c1728a9645&biw=1920&bih=1070

Also socialist countries are proving vastly superior in Public Health/Education/Longevity. One of the reasons swedes are so good (In comparasion to population of the country) in so many things is because of their socialistic values. Obviously the proganda machine in the US would never let that slip through.

DId you know that Finish kids are among the most educated kids in the world while having the shortest work days? 4 hour school vs 12 hour korean school.


I come from a socialist country and i can tell you this whole idea has nothing to do with socialism so this socialist argument has nothing to do with this whole idea, its totally irrelevant.

Also videos uploaded by a group with a certain agenda without having neutral experts is worthless.
DeliCiousVP
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden343 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 20:28:09
May 05 2012 20:20 GMT
#259
On May 06 2012 05:16 Goozen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 05:08 DeliCiousVP wrote:
On May 06 2012 04:49 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2012 04:44 DeliCiousVP wrote:
First of socialism is great obviously the propaganda in the US is blackcoating it and its one of the no no words. And im only trying to "Enlighten" you all because of the suffering it will save the people around you and across the globe.

This is the future and its coming and you will acknowledge it all hopefully sooner rather then later. Its a marathon and some of us already reached the goal and are waiting for the rest of you all catch up.

my personal reason for supporting this has nothing to do with the wellbeing of the world but rather that researchers will have the reasons they need to discover cures and make us all live forever.

So sons dont you all wanna live forever.

“Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized In the first it is ridiculed, in the second it is opposed, in the third it is regarded as self-evident” - Arthur Schopenhauer


Do you have ANYTHING other than a shiny video as proof it will work?

Like mathematical formulas or empirical evidence? Anything?


Yes

There are alot of places where you can get this information, But i get the impression you are more intrested in trying to debunk and riddicule then actualy take in information and will spend your time question the integretity of everything.

https://www.google.se/#q=Zeitgeist&hl=sv&prmd=imvns&source=univ&tbm=vid&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=yIelT4GQNfT04QT4veCnCQ&sqi=2&ved=0CKoBEKsE&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=5b23f1c1728a9645&biw=1920&bih=1070

Also socialist countries are proving vastly superior in Public Health/Education/Longevity. One of the reasons swedes are so good (In comparasion to population of the country) in so many things is because of their socialistic values. Obviously the proganda machine in the US would never let that slip through.

DId you know that Finish kids are among the most educated kids in the world while having the shortest work days? 4 hour school vs 12 hour korean school.


I come from a socialist country and i can tell you this whole idea has nothing to do with socialism so this socialist argument has nothing to do with this whole idea, its totally irrelevant.

Also videos uploaded by a group with a certain agenda without having neutral experts is worthless.


That would be more belivable if your country next to your name didnt say ISRAEL and also as predicted to your comment leading. it is as neutral as its ever gonna get and anyone showing anything that dont coexist with your current state of mind is considered corrupt and having an agenda.

You are not open to change when you are defending your static identity because to be "wrong" to "me" is to be shamed. Thus you must fight to defend your static identity because to do anything but is to take in change and considered a treat to the being.

You win
www.youtube.com/user/DeliCiousTZM
Goozen
Profile Joined February 2012
Israel701 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 20:25:42
May 05 2012 20:23 GMT
#260
On May 06 2012 05:20 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 05:16 Goozen wrote:
On May 06 2012 05:08 DeliCiousVP wrote:
On May 06 2012 04:49 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2012 04:44 DeliCiousVP wrote:
First of socialism is great obviously the propaganda in the US is blackcoating it and its one of the no no words. And im only trying to "Enlighten" you all because of the suffering it will save the people around you and across the globe.

This is the future and its coming and you will acknowledge it all hopefully sooner rather then later. Its a marathon and some of us already reached the goal and are waiting for the rest of you all catch up.

my personal reason for supporting this has nothing to do with the wellbeing of the world but rather that researchers will have the reasons they need to discover cures and make us all live forever.

So sons dont you all wanna live forever.

“Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized In the first it is ridiculed, in the second it is opposed, in the third it is regarded as self-evident” - Arthur Schopenhauer


Do you have ANYTHING other than a shiny video as proof it will work?

Like mathematical formulas or empirical evidence? Anything?


Yes

There are alot of places where you can get this information, But i get the impression you are more intrested in trying to debunk and riddicule then actualy take in information and will spend your time question the integretity of everything.

https://www.google.se/#q=Zeitgeist&hl=sv&prmd=imvns&source=univ&tbm=vid&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=yIelT4GQNfT04QT4veCnCQ&sqi=2&ved=0CKoBEKsE&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=5b23f1c1728a9645&biw=1920&bih=1070

Also socialist countries are proving vastly superior in Public Health/Education/Longevity. One of the reasons swedes are so good (In comparasion to population of the country) in so many things is because of their socialistic values. Obviously the proganda machine in the US would never let that slip through.

DId you know that Finish kids are among the most educated kids in the world while having the shortest work days? 4 hour school vs 12 hour korean school.


I come from a socialist country and i can tell you this whole idea has nothing to do with socialism so this socialist argument has nothing to do with this whole idea, its totally irrelevant.

Also videos uploaded by a group with a certain agenda without having neutral experts is worthless.


That would be more belivable if your country next to your name didnt say ISRAEL.


Public healthcare? public education? controlled prices on food? its not 100% but has a load of aspects and if u read what i linked before http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz you will see that such things have been attempted here.
Also you ignore that i said that socialism isnt whats discussed by the OP.
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