Jail for eating a live goldfish? - Page 23
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ChosenBrad1322
United States562 Posts
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Moa
United States790 Posts
No, it isn't even a crime. | ||
NonFactor
Sweden698 Posts
Whole situation is just stupid. | ||
lu_cid
United States428 Posts
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
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Terrafros
Netherlands194 Posts
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Ravenimus
Australia11 Posts
If it was a bear eating a live goldfish, or a cat eating a live goldfish, I am very certain that it wouldn't recieve jail time or a $20,000 fine; they don't even have opposable thumbs so how could they write a cheque! Where is the equality there RSPCA/ PETA?!?!?You sold out your own species for the betterment of the other one, the one that would gladly eat you in the same position. The equal yet seperate rhetoric they spew sounds a little bit like a certain era in US history. | ||
r.Evo
Germany14079 Posts
On April 24 2012 15:51 Terrafros wrote: Hurting an animal for the sake of entertainment is just disgusting. I won't lose a night of sleep if this guy does end up serving jailtime. I'm not calling for it, but I won't find it much of an issue if it happens regardless. FYP. That's what it boils down to imo. | ||
r.Evo
Germany14079 Posts
On April 24 2012 16:10 Ravenimus wrote: This is so very sensationalist. If it was a bear eating a live goldfish, or a cat eating a live goldfish, I am very certain that it wouldn't recieve jail time or a $20,000 fine; they don't even have opposable thumbs so how could they write a cheque! Where is the equality there RSPCA/ PETA?!?!?You sold out your own species for the betterment of the other one, the one that would gladly eat you in the same position. The equal yet seperate rhetoric they spew sounds a little bit like a certain era in US history. Does a cat or bear eat a live goldfish to make money and gain publicity? Certainly not. At SOME point there has to be a line drawn. Is it okay to eat a live cockroach? A live cat? A live octopus? A live goldfish? As some other poster pointed out earlier the law draws the line at vertebrates. If that's the line, he definitely crossed it and should be dealt with accordingly. Here's the explanation of WHY it's drawn at vertebrates: On April 24 2012 10:31 Chairman Ray wrote: A lot of replies have compared eating a goldfish to eating live octopus or eating live scorpions and spiders. I'd like to point out a clear distinction on why a goldfish is not allowed to be eaten this way. The animal cruelty law that the man is charged for is focused on the animal group of vertebrates, which are creatures with spines. A creature's ability to feel the pain stimulus rests in the spinal column. The evolutionary purpose of it is to give certain creatures a faster reaction time to immediate danger, since there is less neural distance between your spine and your nerves. Creatures without spines are not able to feel the same pain stimulus, instead they have different mechanics of stimulus. These different mechanics of stimulus, as far as scientists can tell, do not cause any suffering to the creature. For example, when you eat a live octopus, the octopus knows it's being eaten, but it does not suffer from physical pain, nor does it have the mental capacity for emotional suffering either, so legally we are allowed to eat an octopus alive. A goldfish does have a spine, and therefore is able to suffer from the pain of being eaten, so that's why there's a law in place against animal cruelty for vertebrates. Just make it clear, I do not support the charges laid against this man for eating a goldish, I just needed to clarify that there is a clear distinction between eating a goldfish, and eating other things alive. | ||
Noruxas
Netherlands129 Posts
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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
On April 24 2012 17:24 Noruxas wrote: I heard fish have a memory of about 3 seconds. I'm sure he forgot he got eaten.....wait...... Early in the thread a guy corrected me when he gave me link that proved gold fish' have 3-4 months of memory. | ||
Fusa
Canada148 Posts
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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
How the fuck do you eat anything without hurting it? :s Do you think your steak or your bacon was grown in a lab? Do you think sushi and lobster grows on trees? Animals suffer far worse than this goldfish did every single day, and no one gives a shit because it's just animals. I'd say getting your head bitten off is far more human than getting boiled alive or put on a conveyor belt into the death machine or having your throat slit. Yet the former earned a guy a lawsuit while the other earn corporations a ton of money. I wouldn't worry for the guy though. It's just some nutcases having a fit. He won't actually be punished in any way (other than having his videos removed from Youtube.) | ||
Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
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Plague1503
Croatia466 Posts
On April 23 2012 18:24 SolHeiM wrote: Where do you draw the line when it comes to eating things alive? Personally, a developed frontal lobe. Not saying I would ever eat anything alive, but "morally" speaking I'm willing to draw it there. | ||
Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
What exactly do you mean? | ||
MichaelDonovan
United States1453 Posts
Good call. | ||
Plague1503
Croatia466 Posts
A developed frontal lobe is generally considered to be the criterion for self-awareness. Disclaimer, if anyone's going to start arguing about the philosophy or semantics of self-awareness on account of my post, leave me out of it please. | ||
r.Evo
Germany14079 Posts
On April 26 2012 17:30 Vorenius wrote: How the fuck do you eat anything without hurting it? :s Do you think your steak or your bacon was grown in a lab? Do you think sushi and lobster grows on trees? Animals suffer far worse than this goldfish did every single day, and no one gives a shit because it's just animals. I'd say getting your head bitten off is far more human than getting boiled alive or put on a conveyor belt into the death machine or having your throat slit. Yet the former earned a guy a lawsuit while the other earn corporations a ton of money. I wouldn't worry for the guy though. It's just some nutcases having a fit. He won't actually be punished in any way (other than having his videos removed from Youtube.) First of all I said "for the sake of entertainment". While I don't accept or approve how things work when it comes to the ways in which most people get their food from animals, I can understand and tolerate it to a certain degree. Second of all, which steak or bacon? I'm a vegetarian since like 6 years. =P | ||
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