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ChosenBrad1322
Profile Joined April 2012
United States562 Posts
April 24 2012 06:09 GMT
#441
So is it illegal to fish in this place? If it's not then this is a joke.
Moa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States790 Posts
April 24 2012 06:11 GMT
#442
Simple, does the punishment fit the crime?

No, it isn't even a crime.
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NonFactor
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden698 Posts
April 24 2012 06:27 GMT
#443
Meh, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who thinks this, but isn't this what shows like Fear Factor do like every week?



Whole situation is just stupid.
lu_cid
Profile Joined April 2008
United States428 Posts
April 24 2012 06:37 GMT
#444
What the actual fuck. Animals eating other animals is part of nature. Welcome to reality.
ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
April 24 2012 06:43 GMT
#445
what about tasteless eating live octopus with allyn
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Terrafros
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands194 Posts
April 24 2012 06:51 GMT
#446
Eating a live animal for the sake of entertainment is just disgusting. I won't lose a night of sleep if this guy does end up serving jailtime. I'm not calling for it, but I won't find it much of an issue if it happens regardless.
Ravenimus
Profile Joined February 2012
Australia11 Posts
April 24 2012 07:10 GMT
#447
This is so very sensationalist.

If it was a bear eating a live goldfish, or a cat eating a live goldfish, I am very certain that it wouldn't recieve jail time or a $20,000 fine; they don't even have opposable thumbs so how could they write a cheque! Where is the equality there RSPCA/ PETA?!?!?You sold out your own species for the betterment of the other one, the one that would gladly eat you in the same position.

The equal yet seperate rhetoric they spew sounds a little bit like a certain era in US history.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
April 24 2012 07:12 GMT
#448
On April 24 2012 15:51 Terrafros wrote:
Hurting an animal for the sake of entertainment is just disgusting. I won't lose a night of sleep if this guy does end up serving jailtime. I'm not calling for it, but I won't find it much of an issue if it happens regardless.


FYP. That's what it boils down to imo.
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 07:17:01
April 24 2012 07:15 GMT
#449
On April 24 2012 16:10 Ravenimus wrote:
This is so very sensationalist.

If it was a bear eating a live goldfish, or a cat eating a live goldfish, I am very certain that it wouldn't recieve jail time or a $20,000 fine; they don't even have opposable thumbs so how could they write a cheque! Where is the equality there RSPCA/ PETA?!?!?You sold out your own species for the betterment of the other one, the one that would gladly eat you in the same position.

The equal yet seperate rhetoric they spew sounds a little bit like a certain era in US history.


Does a cat or bear eat a live goldfish to make money and gain publicity? Certainly not.

At SOME point there has to be a line drawn. Is it okay to eat a live cockroach? A live cat? A live octopus? A live goldfish?


As some other poster pointed out earlier the law draws the line at vertebrates. If that's the line, he definitely crossed it and should be dealt with accordingly.

Here's the explanation of WHY it's drawn at vertebrates:


On April 24 2012 10:31 Chairman Ray wrote:
A lot of replies have compared eating a goldfish to eating live octopus or eating live scorpions and spiders. I'd like to point out a clear distinction on why a goldfish is not allowed to be eaten this way.

The animal cruelty law that the man is charged for is focused on the animal group of vertebrates, which are creatures with spines. A creature's ability to feel the pain stimulus rests in the spinal column. The evolutionary purpose of it is to give certain creatures a faster reaction time to immediate danger, since there is less neural distance between your spine and your nerves. Creatures without spines are not able to feel the same pain stimulus, instead they have different mechanics of stimulus. These different mechanics of stimulus, as far as scientists can tell, do not cause any suffering to the creature. For example, when you eat a live octopus, the octopus knows it's being eaten, but it does not suffer from physical pain, nor does it have the mental capacity for emotional suffering either, so legally we are allowed to eat an octopus alive. A goldfish does have a spine, and therefore is able to suffer from the pain of being eaten, so that's why there's a law in place against animal cruelty for vertebrates.

Just make it clear, I do not support the charges laid against this man for eating a goldish, I just needed to clarify that there is a clear distinction between eating a goldfish, and eating other things alive.

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Noruxas
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands129 Posts
April 24 2012 08:24 GMT
#450
I heard fish have a memory of about 3 seconds. I'm sure he forgot he got eaten.....wait......
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Thylacine
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden882 Posts
April 24 2012 09:49 GMT
#451
On April 24 2012 17:24 Noruxas wrote:
I heard fish have a memory of about 3 seconds. I'm sure he forgot he got eaten.....wait......


Early in the thread a guy corrected me when he gave me link that proved gold fish' have 3-4 months of memory.
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Fusa
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada148 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 10:00:33
April 24 2012 09:59 GMT
#452
I ate a salmon* raw once while fishing, dont tell anyone but I let it go with 4 bites out of it
Thylacine
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden882 Posts
April 24 2012 12:34 GMT
#453
Added to the OP that the video got removed by youtube.
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Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
April 26 2012 08:30 GMT
#454
On April 24 2012 16:12 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 15:51 Terrafros wrote:
Hurting an animal for the sake of entertainment is just disgusting. I won't lose a night of sleep if this guy does end up serving jailtime. I'm not calling for it, but I won't find it much of an issue if it happens regardless.


FYP. That's what it boils down to imo.

How the fuck do you eat anything without hurting it? :s

Do you think your steak or your bacon was grown in a lab? Do you think sushi and lobster grows on trees? Animals suffer far worse than this goldfish did every single day, and no one gives a shit because it's just animals.

I'd say getting your head bitten off is far more human than getting boiled alive or put on a conveyor belt into the death machine or having your throat slit. Yet the former earned a guy a lawsuit while the other earn corporations a ton of money.

I wouldn't worry for the guy though. It's just some nutcases having a fit. He won't actually be punished in any way (other than having his videos removed from Youtube.)
Thylacine
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden882 Posts
April 26 2012 09:21 GMT
#455
^ I think hes gonna get a small fine at the very least.
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Plague1503
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia466 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 09:34:30
April 26 2012 09:30 GMT
#456
On April 23 2012 18:24 SolHeiM wrote:
Where do you draw the line when it comes to eating things alive?

Personally, a developed frontal lobe. Not saying I would ever eat anything alive, but "morally" speaking I'm willing to draw it there.
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Thylacine
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden882 Posts
April 26 2012 09:33 GMT
#457
On April 26 2012 18:30 Plague1503 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 18:24 SolHeiM wrote:
Where do you draw the line when it comes to eating things alive?

Personally, a developed frontal lobe.


What exactly do you mean?
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MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
April 26 2012 09:33 GMT
#458
On April 26 2012 18:30 Plague1503 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 18:24 SolHeiM wrote:
Where do you draw the line when it comes to eating things alive?

Personally, a developed frontal lobe.

Good call.
Plague1503
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia466 Posts
April 26 2012 09:36 GMT
#459
On April 26 2012 18:33 Thylacine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 18:30 Plague1503 wrote:
On April 23 2012 18:24 SolHeiM wrote:
Where do you draw the line when it comes to eating things alive?

Personally, a developed frontal lobe.


What exactly do you mean?

A developed frontal lobe is generally considered to be the criterion for self-awareness. Disclaimer, if anyone's going to start arguing about the philosophy or semantics of self-awareness on account of my post, leave me out of it please.
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
April 26 2012 09:37 GMT
#460
On April 26 2012 17:30 Vorenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 16:12 r.Evo wrote:
On April 24 2012 15:51 Terrafros wrote:
Hurting an animal for the sake of entertainment is just disgusting. I won't lose a night of sleep if this guy does end up serving jailtime. I'm not calling for it, but I won't find it much of an issue if it happens regardless.


FYP. That's what it boils down to imo.

How the fuck do you eat anything without hurting it? :s

Do you think your steak or your bacon was grown in a lab? Do you think sushi and lobster grows on trees? Animals suffer far worse than this goldfish did every single day, and no one gives a shit because it's just animals.

I'd say getting your head bitten off is far more human than getting boiled alive or put on a conveyor belt into the death machine or having your throat slit. Yet the former earned a guy a lawsuit while the other earn corporations a ton of money.

I wouldn't worry for the guy though. It's just some nutcases having a fit. He won't actually be punished in any way (other than having his videos removed from Youtube.)


First of all I said "for the sake of entertainment". While I don't accept or approve how things work when it comes to the ways in which most people get their food from animals, I can understand and tolerate it to a certain degree.


Second of all, which steak or bacon? I'm a vegetarian since like 6 years. =P
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