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On October 23 2012 07:55 sevencck wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:46 silynxer wrote:
@sc2superfan101: In case you missed my edits please read and reply to them. So do you do so much against abortion that it changes your life substantially and if so in what way? what do you suggest that I do? I vote, I stay informed on the issue, I have attended rallies, I will attend rallies. I will give money to pro-life politicians, and as soon as I am financially able, will volunteer my time to a pro-life organization. I also try to discuss the issue with as many people as possible. now, if this isn't enough for you, than you do have an obligation to define what is enough. not just keep saying: "well, I feel like you should do more." rest assured. I become very, very distraught when I think about abortion. in fact, I usually am filled with a burning white rage and a overpowering desire to punch something. however, since we're talking about practicality, those are irrelevant. my punching something won't help. my getting angry and screaming and calling everyone on here murderers won't help. my blowing up abortion clinics definitely won't help. what else can I do? don't just say: "do more." specify! An outright ban on abortion is all but an impossibility. You're practically throwing away your vote if that's what you're going after. Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:55 Souma wrote:On October 23 2012 07:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:46 silynxer wrote:
@sc2superfan101: In case you missed my edits please read and reply to them. So do you do so much against abortion that it changes your life substantially and if so in what way? what do you suggest that I do? I vote, I stay informed on the issue, I have attended rallies, I will attend rallies. I will give money to pro-life politicians, and as soon as I am financially able, will volunteer my time to a pro-life organization. I also try to discuss the issue with as many people as possible. now, if this isn't enough for you, than you do have an obligation to define what is enough. not just keep saying: "well, I feel like you should do more." rest assured. I become very, very distraught when I think about abortion. in fact, I usually am filled with a burning white rage and a overpowering desire to punch something. however, since we're talking about practicality, those are irrelevant. my punching something won't help. my getting angry and screaming and calling everyone on here murderers won't help. my blowing up abortion clinics definitely won't help. what else can I do? don't just say: "do more." specify! All I know is if there were young children being slaughtered every day at some building 10 minutes away from me, nobody in my city would just sit around waiting for a vote. Your point?
My point is that I agree with you, obviously.
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On October 23 2012 07:55 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:46 silynxer wrote:
@sc2superfan101: In case you missed my edits please read and reply to them. So do you do so much against abortion that it changes your life substantially and if so in what way? what do you suggest that I do? I vote, I stay informed on the issue, I have attended rallies, I will attend rallies. I will give money to pro-life politicians, and as soon as I am financially able, will volunteer my time to a pro-life organization. I also try to discuss the issue with as many people as possible. now, if this isn't enough for you, than you do have an obligation to define what is enough. not just keep saying: "well, I feel like you should do more." rest assured. I become very, very distraught when I think about abortion. in fact, I usually am filled with a burning white rage and a overpowering desire to punch something. however, since we're talking about practicality, those are irrelevant. my punching something won't help. my getting angry and screaming and calling everyone on here murderers won't help. my blowing up abortion clinics definitely won't help. what else can I do? don't just say: "do more." specify! All I know is if there were young children being slaughtered every day at some building 10 minutes away from me, nobody in my city would just sit around waiting for a vote.
you do realize that I can respond that according to my world view, you not only are sitting around, but are actively trying to promote the slaughter of those young children?
and once again, you have not outlined what I should do. just said: "IDK, do something!"
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On October 23 2012 07:57 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:55 sevencck wrote:On October 23 2012 07:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:46 silynxer wrote:
@sc2superfan101: In case you missed my edits please read and reply to them. So do you do so much against abortion that it changes your life substantially and if so in what way? what do you suggest that I do? I vote, I stay informed on the issue, I have attended rallies, I will attend rallies. I will give money to pro-life politicians, and as soon as I am financially able, will volunteer my time to a pro-life organization. I also try to discuss the issue with as many people as possible. now, if this isn't enough for you, than you do have an obligation to define what is enough. not just keep saying: "well, I feel like you should do more." rest assured. I become very, very distraught when I think about abortion. in fact, I usually am filled with a burning white rage and a overpowering desire to punch something. however, since we're talking about practicality, those are irrelevant. my punching something won't help. my getting angry and screaming and calling everyone on here murderers won't help. my blowing up abortion clinics definitely won't help. what else can I do? don't just say: "do more." specify! An outright ban on abortion is all but an impossibility. You're practically throwing away your vote if that's what you're going after. On October 23 2012 07:55 Souma wrote:On October 23 2012 07:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:46 silynxer wrote:
@sc2superfan101: In case you missed my edits please read and reply to them. So do you do so much against abortion that it changes your life substantially and if so in what way? what do you suggest that I do? I vote, I stay informed on the issue, I have attended rallies, I will attend rallies. I will give money to pro-life politicians, and as soon as I am financially able, will volunteer my time to a pro-life organization. I also try to discuss the issue with as many people as possible. now, if this isn't enough for you, than you do have an obligation to define what is enough. not just keep saying: "well, I feel like you should do more." rest assured. I become very, very distraught when I think about abortion. in fact, I usually am filled with a burning white rage and a overpowering desire to punch something. however, since we're talking about practicality, those are irrelevant. my punching something won't help. my getting angry and screaming and calling everyone on here murderers won't help. my blowing up abortion clinics definitely won't help. what else can I do? don't just say: "do more." specify! All I know is if there were young children being slaughtered every day at some building 10 minutes away from me, nobody in my city would just sit around waiting for a vote. Your point? My point is that I agree with you, obviously.
Oh, OK sorry, I wasn't sure.
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On October 23 2012 07:57 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:55 Souma wrote:On October 23 2012 07:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:46 silynxer wrote:
@sc2superfan101: In case you missed my edits please read and reply to them. So do you do so much against abortion that it changes your life substantially and if so in what way? what do you suggest that I do? I vote, I stay informed on the issue, I have attended rallies, I will attend rallies. I will give money to pro-life politicians, and as soon as I am financially able, will volunteer my time to a pro-life organization. I also try to discuss the issue with as many people as possible. now, if this isn't enough for you, than you do have an obligation to define what is enough. not just keep saying: "well, I feel like you should do more." rest assured. I become very, very distraught when I think about abortion. in fact, I usually am filled with a burning white rage and a overpowering desire to punch something. however, since we're talking about practicality, those are irrelevant. my punching something won't help. my getting angry and screaming and calling everyone on here murderers won't help. my blowing up abortion clinics definitely won't help. what else can I do? don't just say: "do more." specify! All I know is if there were young children being slaughtered every day at some building 10 minutes away from me, nobody in my city would just sit around waiting for a vote. you do realize that I can respond that according to my world view, you not only are sitting around, but are actively trying to promote the slaughter of those young children? and once again, you have not outlined what I should do. just said: "IDK, do something!"
Well I'm not pro-life, so what do I care if fetuses get slaughtered? This is your fight, not mine. You think of something.
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On October 23 2012 07:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:46 silynxer wrote:
@sc2superfan101: In case you missed my edits please read and reply to them. So do you do so much against abortion that it changes your life substantially and if so in what way? what do you suggest that I do? I vote, I stay informed on the issue, I have attended rallies, I will attend rallies. I will give money to pro-life politicians, and as soon as I am financially able, will volunteer my time to a pro-life organization. I also try to discuss the issue with as many people as possible. now, if this isn't enough for you, than you do have an obligation to define what is enough. not just keep saying: "well, I feel like you should do more." rest assured. I become very, very distraught when I think about abortion. in fact, I usually am filled with a burning white rage and a overpowering desire to punch something. however, since we're talking about practicality, those are irrelevant. my punching something won't help. my getting angry and screaming and calling everyone on here murderers won't help. my blowing up abortion clinics definitely won't help. what else can I do? don't just say: "do more." specify!
Sorry but extreme times demand extreme measures, you don't stop a murderous regime by saying "if I find the time and money I might start doing something about it". This approach just screams of what I'm talking about.
Now it's sad that I can't give you a blueprint for revolution, I would like one myself. It's not going to be easy and you will have to sacrifice a lot though.
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On October 23 2012 07:57 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:55 Souma wrote:On October 23 2012 07:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:46 silynxer wrote:
@sc2superfan101: In case you missed my edits please read and reply to them. So do you do so much against abortion that it changes your life substantially and if so in what way? what do you suggest that I do? I vote, I stay informed on the issue, I have attended rallies, I will attend rallies. I will give money to pro-life politicians, and as soon as I am financially able, will volunteer my time to a pro-life organization. I also try to discuss the issue with as many people as possible. now, if this isn't enough for you, than you do have an obligation to define what is enough. not just keep saying: "well, I feel like you should do more." rest assured. I become very, very distraught when I think about abortion. in fact, I usually am filled with a burning white rage and a overpowering desire to punch something. however, since we're talking about practicality, those are irrelevant. my punching something won't help. my getting angry and screaming and calling everyone on here murderers won't help. my blowing up abortion clinics definitely won't help. what else can I do? don't just say: "do more." specify! All I know is if there were young children being slaughtered every day at some building 10 minutes away from me, nobody in my city would just sit around waiting for a vote. you do realize that I can respond that according to my world view, you not only are sitting around, but are actively trying to promote the slaughter of those young children? and once again, you have not outlined what I should do. just said: "IDK, do something!"
Hum. explain to me, if I have sex with my girlfriend, that she gets pregnant and get a miscarriage after a week (happens all the time), it means... it means... it means that a young child is dead?
Life must be really tragic for you dude... I wonder: do you make funerals everytime a 20 grams foetus aborts because of a miscarriage? I'm sincerly curious.
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On October 23 2012 07:59 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:57 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:55 Souma wrote:On October 23 2012 07:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:46 silynxer wrote:
@sc2superfan101: In case you missed my edits please read and reply to them. So do you do so much against abortion that it changes your life substantially and if so in what way? what do you suggest that I do? I vote, I stay informed on the issue, I have attended rallies, I will attend rallies. I will give money to pro-life politicians, and as soon as I am financially able, will volunteer my time to a pro-life organization. I also try to discuss the issue with as many people as possible. now, if this isn't enough for you, than you do have an obligation to define what is enough. not just keep saying: "well, I feel like you should do more." rest assured. I become very, very distraught when I think about abortion. in fact, I usually am filled with a burning white rage and a overpowering desire to punch something. however, since we're talking about practicality, those are irrelevant. my punching something won't help. my getting angry and screaming and calling everyone on here murderers won't help. my blowing up abortion clinics definitely won't help. what else can I do? don't just say: "do more." specify! All I know is if there were young children being slaughtered every day at some building 10 minutes away from me, nobody in my city would just sit around waiting for a vote. you do realize that I can respond that according to my world view, you not only are sitting around, but are actively trying to promote the slaughter of those young children? and once again, you have not outlined what I should do. just said: "IDK, do something!" Well I'm not pro-life, so what do I care if fetuses get slaughtered? This is your fight, not mine. You think of something.
i'm not the most well versed on abortion or potential courses of action...but would tin-foil hats for all of the fetuses protect them against the evil doctors at all?
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On October 23 2012 08:07 KING CHARLIE :D wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:59 Souma wrote:On October 23 2012 07:57 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:55 Souma wrote:On October 23 2012 07:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:46 silynxer wrote:
@sc2superfan101: In case you missed my edits please read and reply to them. So do you do so much against abortion that it changes your life substantially and if so in what way? what do you suggest that I do? I vote, I stay informed on the issue, I have attended rallies, I will attend rallies. I will give money to pro-life politicians, and as soon as I am financially able, will volunteer my time to a pro-life organization. I also try to discuss the issue with as many people as possible. now, if this isn't enough for you, than you do have an obligation to define what is enough. not just keep saying: "well, I feel like you should do more." rest assured. I become very, very distraught when I think about abortion. in fact, I usually am filled with a burning white rage and a overpowering desire to punch something. however, since we're talking about practicality, those are irrelevant. my punching something won't help. my getting angry and screaming and calling everyone on here murderers won't help. my blowing up abortion clinics definitely won't help. what else can I do? don't just say: "do more." specify! All I know is if there were young children being slaughtered every day at some building 10 minutes away from me, nobody in my city would just sit around waiting for a vote. you do realize that I can respond that according to my world view, you not only are sitting around, but are actively trying to promote the slaughter of those young children? and once again, you have not outlined what I should do. just said: "IDK, do something!" Well I'm not pro-life, so what do I care if fetuses get slaughtered? This is your fight, not mine. You think of something. i'm not the most well versed on abortion or potential courses of action...but would tin-foil hats for all of the fetuses protect them against the evil doctors at all?
If you offer the doctors a tinfoil hat, they might just feel inclined to listen to you! So give it a shot.
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Well gee, you would think pro-life people would be all for handing out birth control like goddamn candy if they actually felt that way.
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On October 23 2012 08:23 DoubleReed wrote:
Well gee, you would think pro-life people would be all for handing out birth control like goddamn candy if they actually felt that way.
They would also be against death penalty, but the life of a 3 weeks foetus is more important and holy than the one of an actual person if he happened to do something really bad yaknow?
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On October 23 2012 08:23 DoubleReed wrote:
Well gee, you would think pro-life people would be all for handing out birth control like goddamn candy if they actually felt that way.
I'm more for giving them 50 bucks or a crack rock for me to go to work on their insides with a wire coathanger.
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Birth control just encourages people to have sex and the death penalty is irrelevant to the abortion debate.
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On October 23 2012 07:41 3Form wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 06:06 Swazi Spring wrote:
Romney is pretty far left-wing, ignore his recent rhetoric and look at his record. He's only pretending to be a conservative, he's pretty much Obama 2.0. Seriously? You wouldn't know "left wing" if it hit you in the face! Really, don't bandy stuff like that around lightly. Does Obamacare make Obama "left wing"? What a joke! You should read up on some real left wing policies. At one point here in the UK we had nationalised railways, nationalised utilities (gas, electricity, water), nationalised industry - coal mining in particular. We've had militant unions that brought the government too it's knees, we've got universal healthcare free at point of use and our social security budget dwarfs all other departments. Policies like that would make your politicians foam at the mouth. Why is it that in America all it takes to get branded a lefty/socialist/raving-communist-tyrant is to implement some state backed social policies?
Every country is different, 3Form. You can point to dozens, if not hundreds, of different countries and point out that "they were more right wing than America, so America automatically is left-wing" or "they were more left-wing than America, so America automatically is right-wing," but it doesn't mean anything; all it shows is how much the other country sucks.
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On October 23 2012 08:27 Darknat wrote:
Birth control just encourages people to have sex and the death penalty is irrelevant to the abortion debate.
Sure it is. But forgive me if I call those "pro-life" people hypocrite when they happen to support institutionalized murder.
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On October 23 2012 08:25 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:23 DoubleReed wrote:
Well gee, you would think pro-life people would be all for handing out birth control like goddamn candy if they actually felt that way. They would also be against death penalty, but the life of a 3 weeks foetus is more important and holy than the one of an actual person if he happened to do something really bad yaknow?
Eh, I've never bought this argument, even as a pro-choicer. Death Penalty is for criminals of serious crimes, not babies. Not that I'm for the death penalty, but I've never felt that was inconsistent.
What I do think is inconsistent is people refusing to pay for people's birth control, refusing to pay for people's abortions, and totally fine with paying for people's pregnancies. You know, the most expensive of the three by far?
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On October 23 2012 08:27 Darknat wrote:
Birth control just encourages people to have sex and the death penalty is irrelevant to the abortion debate.
Pretty sure it is the orgasm that incentivises sex. Birth control just stops the STD known as pregnancy.
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On October 23 2012 08:27 Darknat wrote:
Birth control just encourages people to have sex and the death penalty is irrelevant to the abortion debate.
...just encourages people to have sex?
Is this bad or something? Sex is evil now?
Like, I don't understand your point, even if it was true.
Oh, let's just throw out all the economic benefits of birth control for the purposes of this conversation.
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Comparing the death penalty to abortion is juvenile. The two are easily distinguishable.
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On October 23 2012 08:02 silynxer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:46 silynxer wrote:
@sc2superfan101: In case you missed my edits please read and reply to them. So do you do so much against abortion that it changes your life substantially and if so in what way? what do you suggest that I do? I vote, I stay informed on the issue, I have attended rallies, I will attend rallies. I will give money to pro-life politicians, and as soon as I am financially able, will volunteer my time to a pro-life organization. I also try to discuss the issue with as many people as possible. now, if this isn't enough for you, than you do have an obligation to define what is enough. not just keep saying: "well, I feel like you should do more." rest assured. I become very, very distraught when I think about abortion. in fact, I usually am filled with a burning white rage and a overpowering desire to punch something. however, since we're talking about practicality, those are irrelevant. my punching something won't help. my getting angry and screaming and calling everyone on here murderers won't help. my blowing up abortion clinics definitely won't help. what else can I do? don't just say: "do more." specify! Sorry but extreme times demand extreme measures, you don't stop a murderous regime by saying "if I find the time and money I might start doing something about it". This approach just screams of what I'm talking about. Now it's sad that I can't give you a blueprint for revolution, I would like one myself. It's not going to be easy and you will have to sacrifice a lot though.
what extreme measures would you have me take? we already determined that further bloodshed would not solve the problem, which in my opinion, is that abortion is bloodshed. that leaves me very few options, especially when we are discussing practical solutions. it's not a matter of me not having the time or money, it's a matter of me not having any clue what else I should or even can do. if you have any suggestions, than please, by all means, give them to me. contrary to what you believe, I actually care a lot about this issue, and if you're suggestions were effective and peaceful, I would absolutely try to incorporate them.
my point is: it is not right to sit around saying: "you don't do enough!" but not tell the person what they should be doing otherwise. if you can't even come up with an answer, why do you expect me to?
On October 23 2012 08:04 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:57 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:55 Souma wrote:On October 23 2012 07:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:46 silynxer wrote:
@sc2superfan101: In case you missed my edits please read and reply to them. So do you do so much against abortion that it changes your life substantially and if so in what way? what do you suggest that I do? I vote, I stay informed on the issue, I have attended rallies, I will attend rallies. I will give money to pro-life politicians, and as soon as I am financially able, will volunteer my time to a pro-life organization. I also try to discuss the issue with as many people as possible. now, if this isn't enough for you, than you do have an obligation to define what is enough. not just keep saying: "well, I feel like you should do more." rest assured. I become very, very distraught when I think about abortion. in fact, I usually am filled with a burning white rage and a overpowering desire to punch something. however, since we're talking about practicality, those are irrelevant. my punching something won't help. my getting angry and screaming and calling everyone on here murderers won't help. my blowing up abortion clinics definitely won't help. what else can I do? don't just say: "do more." specify! All I know is if there were young children being slaughtered every day at some building 10 minutes away from me, nobody in my city would just sit around waiting for a vote. you do realize that I can respond that according to my world view, you not only are sitting around, but are actively trying to promote the slaughter of those young children? and once again, you have not outlined what I should do. just said: "IDK, do something!" Hum. explain to me, if I have sex with my girlfriend, that she gets pregnant and get a miscarriage after a week (happens all the time), it means... it means... it means that a young child is dead? Life must be really tragic for you dude... I wonder: do you make funerals everytime a 20 grams foetus aborts because of a miscarriage? I'm sincerly curious.
at the risk of taking this into a pro-life vs. pro-choice debate, I will say that yes, in my opinion, a young child is dead when a miscarriage occurs. and yes, this does sadden me. I don't hold a funeral for them, because 1) there is no body, and 2) I don't hold funerals for people I don't know. of course, being pro-life, I do feel horrible about the idea of a fetus dying, but it is the same horror I feel when someone dies of cancer.
but my point isn't to bring this discussion around to an argument about the validity of considering the fetus to be a child. we can argue about that, sure, but I am mainly focusing on the idea that pro-lifers are not really pro-life because "they don't do enough". if we don't do enough, than I want to know what is enough. not because I am trying to avoid doing more, on the contrary, it is because I DO want to do more, and if you have an idea for what else I can do, I want to incorporate your idea into my agenda.
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On October 23 2012 08:29 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:25 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 23 2012 08:23 DoubleReed wrote:
Well gee, you would think pro-life people would be all for handing out birth control like goddamn candy if they actually felt that way. They would also be against death penalty, but the life of a 3 weeks foetus is more important and holy than the one of an actual person if he happened to do something really bad yaknow? Eh, I've never bought this argument, even as a pro-choicer. Death Penalty is for criminals of serious crimes, not babies. Not that I'm for the death penalty, but I've never felt that was inconsistent. What I do think is inconsistent is people refusing to pay for people's birth control, refusing to pay for people's abortions, and totally fine with paying for people's pregnancies. You know, the most expensive of the three by far?
Well if you want to be pro-life, then start by not killing actual people. Simple as that. What they did is irrelevant when it comes to the sanctity of life isn't it?
"Pro-life" my ass.
Generally, those people see "killing the bad" guy as the solution to everything. Step in your garden? Kill him! Threatens you? Kill him! Is convinced of something bad? Kill him! Pro-life. Funny.
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