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On May 07 2013 03:57 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:47 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 03:31 Rhino85 wrote:
I would not have thought that would be your take on conscription. As far as registry and training I have conflicting opinions. I personally would love to see gun owners be more knowledgeable about gun safety. On the other hand I've known too many gun owners (my family included) that have spent a lifetime around guns and gun safety. Its part of my family's culture to teach gun safety and at a fairly early age. For myself, and I'm sure many other families, a 6-52 week program might be a bit over the top. I'd be more inclined to a strict written test similar to the Hunter's Safety Course you are required to have in some states before you can obtain a hunting license.
Then there's the gun registry. If it weren't the fact that every other nations gun bans were after a national registry I might be more willing to consider it. I don't believe a national registry will have an affect on illegal gun use. I'm pretty all or nothing when it comes to my personal opinions on guns. Either ban it or train everyone. I also play terran and all-ins are just part of the mindset :p My legal stance on them is pretty basic--I don't believe in government control of property ownership without sufficient evidence. I don't mind people being put on the terror watch list for ordering 200 lbs of anthrax, but I do mind being told that gun owners can't have guns and women can't have birth control without sufficient evidence on the subject. A shooting is not sufficient evidence for the same reason a meteor strike is insufficient evidence for living in a bunker. Being a criminal is already illegal. I would support anything to make it easier for cops to catch them--this is my main reason for liking a registry, to make it easier to track down what gun came from where when doing an investigation. I also believe in more safety training--because I already had to have a DMV guy sit in my passenger side watching me drive around town before they even think about issuing a driver's license. Cars a privilege, not a right (guns are rights though, 2nd amendment and all), but I still don't mind them having regulation and training because I don't mind the regulation and training expected of me as an american driver. I do hate guns though, and that definitely affects my viewpoints on them. I will argue for their restriction and ban every chance I get--but I really don't want them actually banned. I just personally hate them. Evidence for what specifically? Your last paragraph sounds like you have some personal conflicting feelings on the issue and aren't even too positive about your own opinion. You just personally hate them? I don't understand why. Guns aren't always bad, you've already admitted several times in this thread that there are some instances where a gun may be necessary, but you still seem to be trying to downplay the reality of defensive gun uses.
It's a very tenable position to support gun ownership while also supporting stricter regulation.
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On May 07 2013 02:19 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 01:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 01:52 Rhino85 wrote:On May 06 2013 23:02 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 15:07 Sermokala wrote:On May 03 2013 14:58 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 08:27 Sermokala wrote:On May 03 2013 05:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 05:21 Sermokala wrote:On May 03 2013 05:02 Thieving Magpie wrote:
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If the logic is that "we both know neither of those will stop stupid people from acquiring guns or make them store them properly" as an argument against gun control. Then we can use the same argument against rape and murder. Why not? Bad logic leads to bad logic.
One can't just say "we can't stop stupid people getting guns" and assume that that logic doesn't apply to other laws as well. Get off your high horse. You're being a complete asshole comparing the difference between people just being stupid with guns to people raping and murdering others. Have some dignity and self respect please. You don't have to try to use everyone's death to support your slanted views. What high horse? I'm saying the logic is not sound and doesn't make sense. Laws are present to reduce crime, not prevent it. Step one: Form society Step two: realize something is happening that society dislikes Step three: make law against it Step four: the thing happening happens less often, but still happens That's how laws work. Saying no guns laws because guns will still be used is bad stance to take. You're completely misconstruing what happens between your steps 2 and 3. Why not take away purple peoples right to vote because they elect shitty leaders. Why not pass a law where anarchists are outlaws and shot on sight? Why not ban peoples ability to eat fatty food when it kills our heath care costs in the country? Why allow somali immigrants to our country when all they do is cause trouble with everyone here and refuse to assimilate? You don't think any of your ideas though and you get them all from propaganda and treat it like the writ of god. If you ban purple people from voting--it does not stop their influence from affecting elections, it just reduces it. Banning something does not eliminate it--it reduces it. Much like banning rape in the US has not stopped rape from occurring. That is fact. Banning stealing has not stopped stealing from occurring, that is also fact. Banning guns will not stop all gun violence, that is also fact. But saying it won't stop all of crime is not a good argument to not have a law for it. You're utterly missing the point again. Its not about stopping something bad from occurring its about whether you should ban it in the first place. How you can use taking away the vote from a certin colored people and just saying "it just reduces their influence on elections" no it actually totally eliminates the influence they have on elections. Its also utterly raceist to deny people the right to vote based on the color of their skin. But by useing your logic its perfectly okay beacuse it reduces something bad from happening is how much of a joke your arguments are getting. Stop picking one point, completely misrepresenting it to yourself, straw man that into your entire post, and then have the idiocracy to actually post that shit. I don't even want to start on your -- usage, god help you wherever you picked that up. Let me repeat what I said. "If the logic is that "we both know neither of those will stop stupid people from acquiring guns or make them store them properly" as an argument against gun control. Then we can use the same argument against rape and murder. Why not? Bad logic leads to bad logic. One can't just say "we can't stop stupid people getting guns" and assume that that logic doesn't apply to other laws as well." As you can see, whether it is ethical to ban guns or not isn't what I have been discussing. I have been talking abou the argument that banning guns not preventing all gun violence as an arguments against gun control is a stupid argument because banning anything only reduces its influence, not remove it. My examples are of things currently banned in the US such as rape and stealing. That is because the act of banning is not a stopgap but an ethical stance. As a society, we are against rape, we are against stealing--so we ban that. As a society are we for or against gun violence? I'm pretty sure that murder by firearm is banned, what's your point? Since you can't read... let me quote myself. the act of banning is not a stopgap but an ethical stance. As a society, we are against rape, we are against stealing--so we ban that. We ban things we are ethically against. We do it not to "stop all murders" or "stop all rapes" but because we as a society are taking a stance against it. To argue that you can't ban guns because people will still get shot anyway is a bad argument against gun control because an item being illegal does not automatically stop its distribution. There are many arguments against gun control--saying gun violence would still happen anyway is a bad argument against gun control. A gun is not a crime. Your argument is worse than whatever argument you are attempting to refute.
A common argument against regulation is that it won't stop criminals. He's pointing out that just because the law will still be broken, doesn't make it useless. All laws are broken.
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Yeah, I think it's ironic that 3d printing and the like is going to ultimately cause the NRA's chief opponent to change from legislators to technology.
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My fear is that stuff like this will lead to more legislation involving the internet about what can and cannot be displayed/shown/downloaded/etc.
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Its going to be a long long time before you'll be able to print a working barrel for guns on a 3d printer.
If all legislation become incapable of stopping people from getting guns anymore the NRA will simply cease to exist. The whole thing is set up to fight legislation from the voters being their support and the corperations providing the lobbying. It can't just "change from legislators to technology".
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On May 07 2013 07:18 Sermokala wrote:
Its going to be a long long time before you'll be able to print a working barrel for guns on a 3d printer.
If all legislation become incapable of stopping people from getting guns anymore the NRA will simply cease to exist. The whole thing is set up to fight legislation from the voters being their support and the corperations providing the lobbying. It can't just "change from legislators to technology".
Well it might change form but the gun manufacturers will certainly work together to do something, and it might even be through attempted legislation.
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On May 07 2013 07:18 Sermokala wrote:
Its going to be a long long time before you'll be able to print a working barrel for guns on a 3d printer.
If all legislation become incapable of stopping people from getting guns anymore the NRA will simply cease to exist. The whole thing is set up to fight legislation from the voters being their support and the corperations providing the lobbying. It can't just "change from legislators to technology".
False. Barrels have already been made successfully using a 3d printer.
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On May 07 2013 07:34 Zealotdriver wrote:
False. Barrels have already been made successfully using a 3d printer.
Question. Which bear is the best bear?
+ Show Spoiler +sorry, reading that sentence reminded me of Dwight from "The Office" for some reason.... carry on
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On May 07 2013 07:18 Sermokala wrote:
Its going to be a long long time before you'll be able to print a working barrel for guns on a 3d printer.
If all legislation become incapable of stopping people from getting guns anymore the NRA will simply cease to exist. The whole thing is set up to fight legislation from the voters being their support and the corperations providing the lobbying. It can't just "change from legislators to technology".
I refuse to believe that gun manufacturers are not the main funders of the NRA.
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On May 07 2013 07:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 07:18 Sermokala wrote:
Its going to be a long long time before you'll be able to print a working barrel for guns on a 3d printer.
If all legislation become incapable of stopping people from getting guns anymore the NRA will simply cease to exist. The whole thing is set up to fight legislation from the voters being their support and the corperations providing the lobbying. It can't just "change from legislators to technology". I refuse to believe that gun manufacturers are not the main funders of the NRA.
Luckily, within a few months, EVERYONE can potentially be a gun manufacturer! ^_^
I had the biggest shit eating grin on my face when I read they successfully fired the damn thing. Man, I love the internet.
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On May 07 2013 08:04 Kimaker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 07:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 07:18 Sermokala wrote:
Its going to be a long long time before you'll be able to print a working barrel for guns on a 3d printer.
If all legislation become incapable of stopping people from getting guns anymore the NRA will simply cease to exist. The whole thing is set up to fight legislation from the voters being their support and the corperations providing the lobbying. It can't just "change from legislators to technology". I refuse to believe that gun manufacturers are not the main funders of the NRA. Luckily, within a few months, EVERYONE can potentially be a gun manufacturer! ^_^ I had the biggest shit eating grin on my face when I read they successfully fired the damn thing. Man, I love the internet.
Nothing brings joy to my face more, than the idea of untrained unlicensed people printing guns by the dozens and doing what they please with them 
Wait...
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On May 07 2013 08:04 Kimaker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 07:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 07:18 Sermokala wrote:
Its going to be a long long time before you'll be able to print a working barrel for guns on a 3d printer.
If all legislation become incapable of stopping people from getting guns anymore the NRA will simply cease to exist. The whole thing is set up to fight legislation from the voters being their support and the corperations providing the lobbying. It can't just "change from legislators to technology". I refuse to believe that gun manufacturers are not the main funders of the NRA. Luckily, within a few months, EVERYONE can potentially be a gun manufacturer! ^_^ .
That sounds incredibly dangerous.
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On May 07 2013 08:19 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 08:04 Kimaker wrote:On May 07 2013 07:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 07:18 Sermokala wrote:
Its going to be a long long time before you'll be able to print a working barrel for guns on a 3d printer.
If all legislation become incapable of stopping people from getting guns anymore the NRA will simply cease to exist. The whole thing is set up to fight legislation from the voters being their support and the corperations providing the lobbying. It can't just "change from legislators to technology". I refuse to believe that gun manufacturers are not the main funders of the NRA. Luckily, within a few months, EVERYONE can potentially be a gun manufacturer! ^_^ I had the biggest shit eating grin on my face when I read they successfully fired the damn thing. Man, I love the internet. Nothing brings joy to my face more, than the idea of untrained unlicensed people printing guns by the dozens and doing what they please with them Wait...
I mean, to be entirely fair, we'd still be shooting par for the course based on that criteria...
On May 07 2013 08:21 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 08:04 Kimaker wrote:On May 07 2013 07:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 07:18 Sermokala wrote:
Its going to be a long long time before you'll be able to print a working barrel for guns on a 3d printer.
If all legislation become incapable of stopping people from getting guns anymore the NRA will simply cease to exist. The whole thing is set up to fight legislation from the voters being their support and the corperations providing the lobbying. It can't just "change from legislators to technology". I refuse to believe that gun manufacturers are not the main funders of the NRA. Luckily, within a few months, EVERYONE can potentially be a gun manufacturer! ^_^ . That sounds incredibly dangerous.
I'mma do something people hate right here, and quote Jefferson:
"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
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On May 07 2013 08:43 Kimaker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 08:19 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 08:04 Kimaker wrote:On May 07 2013 07:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 07:18 Sermokala wrote:
Its going to be a long long time before you'll be able to print a working barrel for guns on a 3d printer.
If all legislation become incapable of stopping people from getting guns anymore the NRA will simply cease to exist. The whole thing is set up to fight legislation from the voters being their support and the corperations providing the lobbying. It can't just "change from legislators to technology". I refuse to believe that gun manufacturers are not the main funders of the NRA. Luckily, within a few months, EVERYONE can potentially be a gun manufacturer! ^_^ I had the biggest shit eating grin on my face when I read they successfully fired the damn thing. Man, I love the internet. Nothing brings joy to my face more, than the idea of untrained unlicensed people printing guns by the dozens and doing what they please with them Wait... I mean, to be entirely fair, we'd still be shooting par for the course based on that criteria... Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 08:21 Shiori wrote:On May 07 2013 08:04 Kimaker wrote:On May 07 2013 07:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 07:18 Sermokala wrote:
Its going to be a long long time before you'll be able to print a working barrel for guns on a 3d printer.
If all legislation become incapable of stopping people from getting guns anymore the NRA will simply cease to exist. The whole thing is set up to fight legislation from the voters being their support and the corperations providing the lobbying. It can't just "change from legislators to technology". I refuse to believe that gun manufacturers are not the main funders of the NRA. Luckily, within a few months, EVERYONE can potentially be a gun manufacturer! ^_^ . That sounds incredibly dangerous. I'mma do something people hate right here, and quote Jefferson: "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
I hope you stand by this view when it comes to nuclear material. Or anthrax. Or any number of exceedingly dangerous materials that most people would agree don't belong in the hands of the average citizen.
Not comparing guns to WMDs, of course, but it's a little ridiculous to say that the notion of people manufacturing weapons is good because them not being able to is the equivalent of slavery. I mean, there are plenty of things we'd like to put restrictions on (e.g. nukes) that are very much worth whatever moronic liberty we give up to do so.
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On May 07 2013 08:47 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 08:43 Kimaker wrote:On May 07 2013 08:19 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 08:04 Kimaker wrote:On May 07 2013 07:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 07:18 Sermokala wrote:
Its going to be a long long time before you'll be able to print a working barrel for guns on a 3d printer.
If all legislation become incapable of stopping people from getting guns anymore the NRA will simply cease to exist. The whole thing is set up to fight legislation from the voters being their support and the corperations providing the lobbying. It can't just "change from legislators to technology". I refuse to believe that gun manufacturers are not the main funders of the NRA. Luckily, within a few months, EVERYONE can potentially be a gun manufacturer! ^_^ I had the biggest shit eating grin on my face when I read they successfully fired the damn thing. Man, I love the internet. Nothing brings joy to my face more, than the idea of untrained unlicensed people printing guns by the dozens and doing what they please with them Wait... I mean, to be entirely fair, we'd still be shooting par for the course based on that criteria... On May 07 2013 08:21 Shiori wrote:On May 07 2013 08:04 Kimaker wrote:On May 07 2013 07:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 07:18 Sermokala wrote:
Its going to be a long long time before you'll be able to print a working barrel for guns on a 3d printer.
If all legislation become incapable of stopping people from getting guns anymore the NRA will simply cease to exist. The whole thing is set up to fight legislation from the voters being their support and the corperations providing the lobbying. It can't just "change from legislators to technology". I refuse to believe that gun manufacturers are not the main funders of the NRA. Luckily, within a few months, EVERYONE can potentially be a gun manufacturer! ^_^ . That sounds incredibly dangerous. I'mma do something people hate right here, and quote Jefferson: "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." I hope you stand by this view when it comes to nuclear material. Or anthrax. Or any number of exceedingly dangerous materials that most people would agree don't belong in the hands of the average citizen. Not comparing guns to WMDs, of course, but it's a little ridiculous to say that the notion of people manufacturing weapons is good because them not being able to is the equivalent of slavery. I mean, there are plenty of things we'd like to put restrictions on (e.g. nukes) that are very much worth whatever moronic liberty we give up to do so.
The reason guns are different is because of the 2nd Amendment.
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On May 07 2013 08:43 Kimaker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 08:19 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 08:04 Kimaker wrote:On May 07 2013 07:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 07:18 Sermokala wrote:
Its going to be a long long time before you'll be able to print a working barrel for guns on a 3d printer.
If all legislation become incapable of stopping people from getting guns anymore the NRA will simply cease to exist. The whole thing is set up to fight legislation from the voters being their support and the corperations providing the lobbying. It can't just "change from legislators to technology". I refuse to believe that gun manufacturers are not the main funders of the NRA. Luckily, within a few months, EVERYONE can potentially be a gun manufacturer! ^_^ I had the biggest shit eating grin on my face when I read they successfully fired the damn thing. Man, I love the internet. Nothing brings joy to my face more, than the idea of untrained unlicensed people printing guns by the dozens and doing what they please with them Wait... I mean, to be entirely fair, we'd still be shooting par for the course based on that criteria... Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 08:21 Shiori wrote:On May 07 2013 08:04 Kimaker wrote:On May 07 2013 07:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 07:18 Sermokala wrote:
Its going to be a long long time before you'll be able to print a working barrel for guns on a 3d printer.
If all legislation become incapable of stopping people from getting guns anymore the NRA will simply cease to exist. The whole thing is set up to fight legislation from the voters being their support and the corperations providing the lobbying. It can't just "change from legislators to technology". I refuse to believe that gun manufacturers are not the main funders of the NRA. Luckily, within a few months, EVERYONE can potentially be a gun manufacturer! ^_^ . That sounds incredibly dangerous. I'mma do something people hate right here, and quote Jefferson: "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
Ummm, wasn't Jefferson's entire estate built primarily on the backs of slaves?
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On May 07 2013 09:02 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 08:43 Kimaker wrote:On May 07 2013 08:19 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 08:04 Kimaker wrote:On May 07 2013 07:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 07:18 Sermokala wrote:
Its going to be a long long time before you'll be able to print a working barrel for guns on a 3d printer.
If all legislation become incapable of stopping people from getting guns anymore the NRA will simply cease to exist. The whole thing is set up to fight legislation from the voters being their support and the corperations providing the lobbying. It can't just "change from legislators to technology". I refuse to believe that gun manufacturers are not the main funders of the NRA. Luckily, within a few months, EVERYONE can potentially be a gun manufacturer! ^_^ I had the biggest shit eating grin on my face when I read they successfully fired the damn thing. Man, I love the internet. Nothing brings joy to my face more, than the idea of untrained unlicensed people printing guns by the dozens and doing what they please with them Wait... I mean, to be entirely fair, we'd still be shooting par for the course based on that criteria... On May 07 2013 08:21 Shiori wrote:On May 07 2013 08:04 Kimaker wrote:On May 07 2013 07:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 07:18 Sermokala wrote:
Its going to be a long long time before you'll be able to print a working barrel for guns on a 3d printer.
If all legislation become incapable of stopping people from getting guns anymore the NRA will simply cease to exist. The whole thing is set up to fight legislation from the voters being their support and the corperations providing the lobbying. It can't just "change from legislators to technology". I refuse to believe that gun manufacturers are not the main funders of the NRA. Luckily, within a few months, EVERYONE can potentially be a gun manufacturer! ^_^ . That sounds incredibly dangerous. I'mma do something people hate right here, and quote Jefferson: "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." Ummm, wasn't Jefferson's entire estate built primarily on the backs of slaves?
Perhaps he was afraid of how many liberties he gave them during lunch breaks on the plantation?
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On May 07 2013 09:00 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 08:47 Shiori wrote:On May 07 2013 08:43 Kimaker wrote:On May 07 2013 08:19 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 08:04 Kimaker wrote:On May 07 2013 07:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 07:18 Sermokala wrote:
Its going to be a long long time before you'll be able to print a working barrel for guns on a 3d printer.
If all legislation become incapable of stopping people from getting guns anymore the NRA will simply cease to exist. The whole thing is set up to fight legislation from the voters being their support and the corperations providing the lobbying. It can't just "change from legislators to technology". I refuse to believe that gun manufacturers are not the main funders of the NRA. Luckily, within a few months, EVERYONE can potentially be a gun manufacturer! ^_^ I had the biggest shit eating grin on my face when I read they successfully fired the damn thing. Man, I love the internet. Nothing brings joy to my face more, than the idea of untrained unlicensed people printing guns by the dozens and doing what they please with them Wait... I mean, to be entirely fair, we'd still be shooting par for the course based on that criteria... On May 07 2013 08:21 Shiori wrote:On May 07 2013 08:04 Kimaker wrote:On May 07 2013 07:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 07:18 Sermokala wrote:
Its going to be a long long time before you'll be able to print a working barrel for guns on a 3d printer.
If all legislation become incapable of stopping people from getting guns anymore the NRA will simply cease to exist. The whole thing is set up to fight legislation from the voters being their support and the corperations providing the lobbying. It can't just "change from legislators to technology". I refuse to believe that gun manufacturers are not the main funders of the NRA. Luckily, within a few months, EVERYONE can potentially be a gun manufacturer! ^_^ . That sounds incredibly dangerous. I'mma do something people hate right here, and quote Jefferson: "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." I hope you stand by this view when it comes to nuclear material. Or anthrax. Or any number of exceedingly dangerous materials that most people would agree don't belong in the hands of the average citizen. Not comparing guns to WMDs, of course, but it's a little ridiculous to say that the notion of people manufacturing weapons is good because them not being able to is the equivalent of slavery. I mean, there are plenty of things we'd like to put restrictions on (e.g. nukes) that are very much worth whatever moronic liberty we give up to do so. The reason guns are different is because of the 2nd Amendment.
I'm not American. The title of this thread is "should people be able to own guns" (or something like that) not "should people who agree with the validity of the 2nd amendment be able to own guns."
Saying "guns are different because of 2nd Amendment" is like saying God exists because the Bible says so.
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On May 07 2013 09:00 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 08:47 Shiori wrote:On May 07 2013 08:43 Kimaker wrote:On May 07 2013 08:19 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 08:04 Kimaker wrote:On May 07 2013 07:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 07:18 Sermokala wrote:
Its going to be a long long time before you'll be able to print a working barrel for guns on a 3d printer.
If all legislation become incapable of stopping people from getting guns anymore the NRA will simply cease to exist. The whole thing is set up to fight legislation from the voters being their support and the corperations providing the lobbying. It can't just "change from legislators to technology". I refuse to believe that gun manufacturers are not the main funders of the NRA. Luckily, within a few months, EVERYONE can potentially be a gun manufacturer! ^_^ I had the biggest shit eating grin on my face when I read they successfully fired the damn thing. Man, I love the internet. Nothing brings joy to my face more, than the idea of untrained unlicensed people printing guns by the dozens and doing what they please with them Wait... I mean, to be entirely fair, we'd still be shooting par for the course based on that criteria... On May 07 2013 08:21 Shiori wrote:On May 07 2013 08:04 Kimaker wrote:On May 07 2013 07:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 07:18 Sermokala wrote:
Its going to be a long long time before you'll be able to print a working barrel for guns on a 3d printer.
If all legislation become incapable of stopping people from getting guns anymore the NRA will simply cease to exist. The whole thing is set up to fight legislation from the voters being their support and the corperations providing the lobbying. It can't just "change from legislators to technology". I refuse to believe that gun manufacturers are not the main funders of the NRA. Luckily, within a few months, EVERYONE can potentially be a gun manufacturer! ^_^ . That sounds incredibly dangerous. I'mma do something people hate right here, and quote Jefferson: "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." I hope you stand by this view when it comes to nuclear material. Or anthrax. Or any number of exceedingly dangerous materials that most people would agree don't belong in the hands of the average citizen. Not comparing guns to WMDs, of course, but it's a little ridiculous to say that the notion of people manufacturing weapons is good because them not being able to is the equivalent of slavery. I mean, there are plenty of things we'd like to put restrictions on (e.g. nukes) that are very much worth whatever moronic liberty we give up to do so. The reason guns are different is because of the 2nd Amendment.
Legally, yes. Honestly? It's because I want guns and fuck anyone for telling me different. Don't plan on shooting people, hell, I don't even hunt, I just like collecting and taking them out to shoot at targets. Not sure why that's a problem.
Also @Shiori I've never claimed to be logically consistent in what I want and what I'm comfortable with others having. I'm not comfortable that some people can have children, but I'm cognizant of the fact that if I want something, I better find a way to be okay with others having it too. At it's core, the gun argument is wholly emotional on both sides.
On May 07 2013 09:02 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 08:43 Kimaker wrote:On May 07 2013 08:19 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 08:04 Kimaker wrote:On May 07 2013 07:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 07:18 Sermokala wrote:
Its going to be a long long time before you'll be able to print a working barrel for guns on a 3d printer.
If all legislation become incapable of stopping people from getting guns anymore the NRA will simply cease to exist. The whole thing is set up to fight legislation from the voters being their support and the corperations providing the lobbying. It can't just "change from legislators to technology". I refuse to believe that gun manufacturers are not the main funders of the NRA. Luckily, within a few months, EVERYONE can potentially be a gun manufacturer! ^_^ I had the biggest shit eating grin on my face when I read they successfully fired the damn thing. Man, I love the internet. Nothing brings joy to my face more, than the idea of untrained unlicensed people printing guns by the dozens and doing what they please with them Wait... I mean, to be entirely fair, we'd still be shooting par for the course based on that criteria... On May 07 2013 08:21 Shiori wrote:On May 07 2013 08:04 Kimaker wrote:On May 07 2013 07:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 07 2013 07:18 Sermokala wrote:
Its going to be a long long time before you'll be able to print a working barrel for guns on a 3d printer.
If all legislation become incapable of stopping people from getting guns anymore the NRA will simply cease to exist. The whole thing is set up to fight legislation from the voters being their support and the corperations providing the lobbying. It can't just "change from legislators to technology". I refuse to believe that gun manufacturers are not the main funders of the NRA. Luckily, within a few months, EVERYONE can potentially be a gun manufacturer! ^_^ . That sounds incredibly dangerous. I'mma do something people hate right here, and quote Jefferson: "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." Ummm, wasn't Jefferson's entire estate built primarily on the backs of slaves?
Context man!
In a few hundred years I expect that we'll look back at anti-sweatshop quotes and say, "But that motherfucker had an Ipod, what a hypocrite." And so they all bowed to the font of historical relativism because no one reads sufficiently on the topic of historiography. And they lived happily ever after...
The end.
The Frumptious fantasy mulling aside, I understand that doesn't make Jefferson's actions"good" or "right" but what does that have to do with his statement? O_o? (despite the overt irony).
Goddamn defeatist history they teach in school these days....
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