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graph1k
United States97 Posts
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/05/02/playstation-network-security-update/ http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/27/qa-1-for-playstation-network-and-qriocity-services/ Both of those explain that while some parts of the information was not "encrypted" it was still protected. Valve has much better security in place from what has been said, but still, PSN did not have your numbers sitting in a text document. | ||
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DragoonPK
3259 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Source: http://kotaku.com/5858513/what-the-psn-outage-tells-us-about-the-steam-hack | ||
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KaosCow
Australia9 Posts
Anyone who thinks Valve is a stand-up company has had their head in the sand for years. | ||
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Candadar
2049 Posts
What the shit. Did I miss a follow up announcement that CC Info was taken, or am I correct in saying you guys are crying over spilled milk? | ||
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
On November 11 2011 21:19 Candadar wrote: So the forums get hacked, a few FORUM accounts get compromised, and now everyone throws a hissy fit that somehow, even though Gabe has explicitly stated otherwise, that all of our Account Information for our actual accounts (which are separate than our forum ones) and our Credit Card Information (which is encrypted heavy -- unlike what Sony does) is now stolen. What the shit. Did I miss a follow up announcement that CC Info was taken, or am I correct in saying you guys are crying over spilled milk? read the kotaku article. valve: We learned that intruders obtained access to a Steam database in addition to the forums. This database contained information including user names, hashed and salted passwords, game purchases, email addresses, billing addresses and encrypted credit card information. We do not have evidence that encrypted credit card numbers or personally identifying information were taken by the intruders, or that the protection on credit card numbers or passwords was cracked. We are still investigating. We don't have evidence of credit card misuse at this time. Nonetheless you should watch your credit card activity and statements closely. While we only know of a few forum accounts that have been compromised, all forum users will be required to change their passwords the next time they login. If you have used your Steam forum password on other accounts you should change those passwords as well. sony: Although we are still investigating the details of this incident, we believe that an unauthorized person has obtained the following information that you provided: name, address (city, state, zip), country, email address, birthdate, PlayStation Network/Qriocity password and login, and handle/PSN online ID. ... While there is no evidence at this time that credit card data was taken, we cannot rule out the possibility. For your security, we encourage you to be especially aware of email, telephone, and postal mail scams that ask for personal or sensitive information. ... Additionally, if you use your PlayStation Network or Qriocity user name or password for other unrelated services or accounts, we strongly recommend that you change them, as well. they sound pretty much the same. "your CC info could have been taken, it may have not, we don't know yet." | ||
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Excludos
Norway8281 Posts
On November 11 2011 19:03 KaosCow wrote: I'm totally psyched this has happened, that's right I said it. Anyone who thinks Valve is a stand-up company has had their head in the sand for years. Yeah. The bastards over at Valve had it coming! How dare they sell us cheap games in a smart and convenient way? And to rub salt into the wound, they keep making these awesome games that are considered some of the best games ever created! *sarcasm mode off* No really, I'm quite interested to hear what you have to say about the only gaming company that always goes out of its way to please the fans. | ||
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Neeh
Norway458 Posts
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Linkirvana
Netherlands365 Posts
On November 11 2011 21:27 zeehar wrote: read the kotaku article. valve: We learned that intruders obtained access to a Steam database in addition to the forums. This database contained information including user names, hashed and salted passwords, game purchases, email addresses, billing addresses and encrypted credit card information. We do not have evidence that encrypted credit card numbers or personally identifying information were taken by the intruders, or that the protection on credit card numbers or passwords was cracked. We are still investigating. We don't have evidence of credit card misuse at this time. Nonetheless you should watch your credit card activity and statements closely. While we only know of a few forum accounts that have been compromised, all forum users will be required to change their passwords the next time they login. If you have used your Steam forum password on other accounts you should change those passwords as well. sony: Although we are still investigating the details of this incident, we believe that an unauthorized person has obtained the following information that you provided: name, address (city, state, zip), country, email address, birthdate, PlayStation Network/Qriocity password and login, and handle/PSN online ID. ... While there is no evidence at this time that credit card data was taken, we cannot rule out the possibility. For your security, we encourage you to be especially aware of email, telephone, and postal mail scams that ask for personal or sensitive information. ... Additionally, if you use your PlayStation Network or Qriocity user name or password for other unrelated services or accounts, we strongly recommend that you change them, as well. they sound pretty much the same. "your CC info could have been taken, it may have not, we don't know yet." Are you serious? That sounds completely different. "Your credit card is probably fine, but watch out anyway" against "Your credit card is probably screwed" sounds the same to you? I actually thought the same thing as the guy you quoted, either we're reading completely different statements, or everything is probably fine. All it says is that the hacker gained access to the database, that doesn't mean he went straight for the credit card info. And even if he did, that doesn't mean he can do anything with them because they are encrypted. That's already 2 mention worthy ifs, yet are completely ignored by the entire article. | ||
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Doso
Germany769 Posts
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
On November 11 2011 21:40 Linkirvana wrote: Are you serious? That sounds completely different. "Your credit card is probably fine, but watch out anyway" against "Your credit card is probably screwed" sounds the same to you? valve: "This database contained information including user names, hashed and salted passwords, game purchases, email addresses, billing addresses and encrypted credit card information. We do not have evidence that encrypted credit card numbers or personally identifying information were taken by the intruders, or that the protection on credit card numbers or passwords was cracked. We are still investigating. We don't have evidence of credit card misuse at this time." >> how is this "your credit card is probably fine"? sony: "While there is no evidence at this time that credit card data was taken, we cannot rule out the possibility. " >> and how is this "your credit card is probably screwed"? i'm sorry, i don't see how these two statements differ in the way that you described. | ||
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
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straycat
230 Posts
That is an absolutely stupid way to put it. That's like saying "We know the spies were in the room where the secret documents were lying on a table for everyone to read, but there is no evidence that the spies had their heads turned toward the table or that they had their eyes open" I'm not interested in evidence that the hackers got sensitive information, I'm interested in evidence saying they did NOT get the information. Who puts a statement like that out in public? | ||
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Zalman
Sweden65 Posts
I mean Steam doesn't store your Paypal password. | ||
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el_dawg
United States164 Posts
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Johnnybb
Denmark486 Posts
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On November 12 2011 01:19 straycat wrote: "We do not have evidence that encrypted credit card numbers or personally identifying information were taken" That is an absolutely stupid way to put it. That's like saying "We know the spies were in the room where the secret documents were lying on a table for everyone to read, but there is no evidence that the spies had their heads turned toward the table or that they had their eyes open" I'm not interested in evidence that the hackers got sensitive information, I'm interested in evidence saying they did NOT get the information. Who puts a statement like that out in public? It doesn't matter if they got the CC numbers or not, because the numbers are 256 bit AES encrypted. Even if they got the numbers, they can't do anything with them, thanks to the encryption. 256 bit AES encryption would take billions of years, even for a supercomputer to crack. To use your analogy, "We know the spies were in the room where the secret documents were lying on a table for everyone to read, but the documents were written in a long-lost ancient language which no one has ever deciphered, so it doesn't matter if they saw them." | ||
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legendre20
United States316 Posts
Hopefully they get everything sorted out. | ||
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gosuMalicE
Canada676 Posts
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legendre20
United States316 Posts
On November 12 2011 08:32 gosuMalicE wrote: Glad this happened, I've got to may friends who go around acting like steam's shit smells like roses. Maybe this will be the straw that breaks the camels back and forces people to abandon this horrible "gaming platform". I'm assuming this is a troll. | ||
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KrauserII
United States51 Posts
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