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On November 12 2011 01:19 straycat wrote:
"We do not have evidence that encrypted credit card numbers or personally identifying information were taken"
That is an absolutely stupid way to put it. That's like saying "We know the spies were in the room where the secret documents were lying on a table for everyone to read, but there is no evidence that the spies had their heads turned toward the table or that they had their eyes open"
I'm not interested in evidence that the hackers got sensitive information, I'm interested in evidence saying they did NOT get the information. Who puts a statement like that out in public?
it's a bit different with encrypted information....
On November 12 2011 08:36 KrauserII wrote:
What's the reason for a lot of people disliking steam?
I'm not sure to tell you the truth. I've never had anything bad with steam happen to me with regards to loading times etc etc, it always downloads games at upwards of 3mb/s, they don't advertise (except games they sell), and they make great games. Idunolol.jpg
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On November 12 2011 08:33 legendre20 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 08:32 gosuMalicE wrote:
Glad this happened, I've got to may friends who go around acting like steam's shit smells like roses. Maybe this will be the straw that breaks the camels back and forces people to abandon this horrible "gaming platform". I'm assuming this is a troll.
Not everyone likes steam, stream bans are the most absurd thing i have ever heard of. Everthing you have ever purchased (for yourself and for a gift) is revoked if you have 1 TOS violation? That would be like Sony or Microsoft coming in to your house and snapping all of your legitimately purchased XboX/PS3 discs in half because they found 1 peice of hombrew software on your console.
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On November 12 2011 08:45 gosuMalicE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 08:33 legendre20 wrote:On November 12 2011 08:32 gosuMalicE wrote:
Glad this happened, I've got to may friends who go around acting like steam's shit smells like roses. Maybe this will be the straw that breaks the camels back and forces people to abandon this horrible "gaming platform". I'm assuming this is a troll. Not everyone likes steam, stream bans are the most absurd thing i have ever heard of. Everthing you have ever purchased (for yourself and for a gift) is revoked if you have 1 TOS violation? That would be like Sony or Microsoft coming in to your house and snapping all of your legitimately purchased XboX/PS3 discs in half because they found 1 peice of hombrew software on your console.
you have to try to break the ToS. you would be knowingly breaking it, and that is your own problem.
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On November 12 2011 08:49 Silidons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 08:45 gosuMalicE wrote:On November 12 2011 08:33 legendre20 wrote:On November 12 2011 08:32 gosuMalicE wrote:
Glad this happened, I've got to may friends who go around acting like steam's shit smells like roses. Maybe this will be the straw that breaks the camels back and forces people to abandon this horrible "gaming platform". I'm assuming this is a troll. Not everyone likes steam, stream bans are the most absurd thing i have ever heard of. Everthing you have ever purchased (for yourself and for a gift) is revoked if you have 1 TOS violation? That would be like Sony or Microsoft coming in to your house and snapping all of your legitimately purchased XboX/PS3 discs in half because they found 1 peice of hombrew software on your console. you have to try to break the ToS. you would be knowingly breaking it, and that is your own problem.
Being banned from steam for breaking their TOS is perfectly legitmate, being cut off from hundereds or even thousands of dollars worh of games you physically purchased in a store that you did not break the TOS/Eula for is stupid. Especially when you consider that you in no way have to agree to the steam TosS on purchase of these games and cannot return them once opened and the terms are presented to you. But keep tying to justify it.
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On November 12 2011 08:52 gosuMalicE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 08:49 Silidons wrote:On November 12 2011 08:45 gosuMalicE wrote:On November 12 2011 08:33 legendre20 wrote:On November 12 2011 08:32 gosuMalicE wrote:
Glad this happened, I've got to may friends who go around acting like steam's shit smells like roses. Maybe this will be the straw that breaks the camels back and forces people to abandon this horrible "gaming platform". I'm assuming this is a troll. Not everyone likes steam, stream bans are the most absurd thing i have ever heard of. Everthing you have ever purchased (for yourself and for a gift) is revoked if you have 1 TOS violation? That would be like Sony or Microsoft coming in to your house and snapping all of your legitimately purchased XboX/PS3 discs in half because they found 1 peice of hombrew software on your console. you have to try to break the ToS. you would be knowingly breaking it, and that is your own problem. Being banned from steam for breaking their TOS is perfectly legitmate, being cut off from hundereds or even thousands of dollars worh of games you physically purchased in a store that you did not break the TOS/Eula for is stupid. Especially when you consider that you in no way have to agree to the steam TosS on purchase of these games and cannot return them once opened and the terms are presented to you. But keep tying to justify it.
But why is anyone breaking the TOS of anything in the first place? -_-
Keep trying to justify it?
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On November 12 2011 08:57 Jojo131 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 08:52 gosuMalicE wrote:On November 12 2011 08:49 Silidons wrote:On November 12 2011 08:45 gosuMalicE wrote:On November 12 2011 08:33 legendre20 wrote:On November 12 2011 08:32 gosuMalicE wrote:
Glad this happened, I've got to may friends who go around acting like steam's shit smells like roses. Maybe this will be the straw that breaks the camels back and forces people to abandon this horrible "gaming platform". I'm assuming this is a troll. Not everyone likes steam, stream bans are the most absurd thing i have ever heard of. Everthing you have ever purchased (for yourself and for a gift) is revoked if you have 1 TOS violation? That would be like Sony or Microsoft coming in to your house and snapping all of your legitimately purchased XboX/PS3 discs in half because they found 1 peice of hombrew software on your console. you have to try to break the ToS. you would be knowingly breaking it, and that is your own problem. Being banned from steam for breaking their TOS is perfectly legitmate, being cut off from hundereds or even thousands of dollars worh of games you physically purchased in a store that you did not break the TOS/Eula for is stupid. Especially when you consider that you in no way have to agree to the steam TosS on purchase of these games and cannot return them once opened and the terms are presented to you. But keep tying to justify it. But why is anyone breaking the TOS of anything in the first place? -_- Keep trying to justify it?
Excuse me? you are basically saying "Unreasonable punishments that don't make sense are acceptable because no one should ever break the rules anyway." Should we give pot smokers and shoplifters the death sentence like we give murderers? Its ok because no one should ever break the law anyway right? I don't think we can even have a reasonable discussion on the point at this time seeing as how absurd you prospective is.
Edit: But just to give you the benefit of the doubt, lets assume this hypothetical: You purchase Skyrim at gamestop (not agreeing to any steam ToS at this point) and you install it and enjoy playing it. A couple of months down the line you purchase a multiplayer shooter through steam using the account that you set up in order to play skyrim. You install a texture/model replacement pack for the shooter because you like the way it looks, you know that this is technically against the ToS but you assume that because it doesn't affect gameplay no one will mind. Steam doesent agree with you however and now you account is locked and for some reason the $60 purchace you made of skyrim is also invalidated as it needs steam to access and the cd key was tied to the banned account. The copy of Portal 2 you purchased for you brother for chirstmas is also removed from his account because you purchased it.
This makes perfect sense to you? you dont think that a more reasonable response would be to just ban the game that the ToS was violated in?
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On November 12 2011 09:04 gosuMalicE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 08:57 Jojo131 wrote:On November 12 2011 08:52 gosuMalicE wrote:On November 12 2011 08:49 Silidons wrote:On November 12 2011 08:45 gosuMalicE wrote:On November 12 2011 08:33 legendre20 wrote:On November 12 2011 08:32 gosuMalicE wrote:
Glad this happened, I've got to may friends who go around acting like steam's shit smells like roses. Maybe this will be the straw that breaks the camels back and forces people to abandon this horrible "gaming platform". I'm assuming this is a troll. Not everyone likes steam, stream bans are the most absurd thing i have ever heard of. Everthing you have ever purchased (for yourself and for a gift) is revoked if you have 1 TOS violation? That would be like Sony or Microsoft coming in to your house and snapping all of your legitimately purchased XboX/PS3 discs in half because they found 1 peice of hombrew software on your console. you have to try to break the ToS. you would be knowingly breaking it, and that is your own problem. Being banned from steam for breaking their TOS is perfectly legitmate, being cut off from hundereds or even thousands of dollars worh of games you physically purchased in a store that you did not break the TOS/Eula for is stupid. Especially when you consider that you in no way have to agree to the steam TosS on purchase of these games and cannot return them once opened and the terms are presented to you. But keep tying to justify it. But why is anyone breaking the TOS of anything in the first place? -_- Keep trying to justify it? Excuse me? you are basically saying "Unreasonable punishments that don't make sense are acceptable because no one should ever break the rules anyway." Should we give pot smokers and shoplifters the death sentence like we give murderers? Its ok because no one should ever break the law anyway right? I don't think we can even have a reasonable discussion on the point at this time seeing as how absurd you prospective is.
Shop lifters blame the economy and that they can't find a job, so they resort to stealing.
Pot smokers can blame their crappy lives, stressfilled jobs, family issues, so they resort to smoking drugs.
None of these reasons excuse them for what they do, but the reason why they dont get equal treatments as people who deserve death sentences is because, in a court of humane justice, other people can sympathize with these reasons, which is why it is debatable to what extent they should be punished.
Whats your reason for hacking a video game, because you suck at it?
Good luck trying to get anyone to stand by you on that.
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On November 12 2011 09:14 Jojo131 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 09:04 gosuMalicE wrote:On November 12 2011 08:57 Jojo131 wrote:On November 12 2011 08:52 gosuMalicE wrote:On November 12 2011 08:49 Silidons wrote:On November 12 2011 08:45 gosuMalicE wrote:On November 12 2011 08:33 legendre20 wrote:On November 12 2011 08:32 gosuMalicE wrote:
Glad this happened, I've got to may friends who go around acting like steam's shit smells like roses. Maybe this will be the straw that breaks the camels back and forces people to abandon this horrible "gaming platform". I'm assuming this is a troll. Not everyone likes steam, stream bans are the most absurd thing i have ever heard of. Everthing you have ever purchased (for yourself and for a gift) is revoked if you have 1 TOS violation? That would be like Sony or Microsoft coming in to your house and snapping all of your legitimately purchased XboX/PS3 discs in half because they found 1 peice of hombrew software on your console. you have to try to break the ToS. you would be knowingly breaking it, and that is your own problem. Being banned from steam for breaking their TOS is perfectly legitmate, being cut off from hundereds or even thousands of dollars worh of games you physically purchased in a store that you did not break the TOS/Eula for is stupid. Especially when you consider that you in no way have to agree to the steam TosS on purchase of these games and cannot return them once opened and the terms are presented to you. But keep tying to justify it. But why is anyone breaking the TOS of anything in the first place? -_- Keep trying to justify it? Excuse me? you are basically saying "Unreasonable punishments that don't make sense are acceptable because no one should ever break the rules anyway." Should we give pot smokers and shoplifters the death sentence like we give murderers? Its ok because no one should ever break the law anyway right? I don't think we can even have a reasonable discussion on the point at this time seeing as how absurd you prospective is. Shop lifters blame the economy and that they can't find a job, so they resort to stealing. Pot smokers can blame their crappy lives, stressfilled jobs, family issues, so they resort to smoking drugs. None of these reasons excuse them for what they do, but the reason why they dont get equal treatments as people who deserve death sentences is because, in a court of humane justice, other people can sympathize with these reasons, which is why it is debatable to what extent they should be punished. Whats your reason for hacking a video game, because you suck at it? Good luck trying to get anyone to stand by you on that.
Lol you don't clarify you point at all no one has to be hacking or cheating in a multiplayer game for this to happen, read the hypothetical in my edited last post if you still don't get it.
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On November 12 2011 09:14 Jojo131 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 09:04 gosuMalicE wrote:On November 12 2011 08:57 Jojo131 wrote:On November 12 2011 08:52 gosuMalicE wrote:On November 12 2011 08:49 Silidons wrote:On November 12 2011 08:45 gosuMalicE wrote:On November 12 2011 08:33 legendre20 wrote:On November 12 2011 08:32 gosuMalicE wrote:
Glad this happened, I've got to may friends who go around acting like steam's shit smells like roses. Maybe this will be the straw that breaks the camels back and forces people to abandon this horrible "gaming platform". I'm assuming this is a troll. Not everyone likes steam, stream bans are the most absurd thing i have ever heard of. Everthing you have ever purchased (for yourself and for a gift) is revoked if you have 1 TOS violation? That would be like Sony or Microsoft coming in to your house and snapping all of your legitimately purchased XboX/PS3 discs in half because they found 1 peice of hombrew software on your console. you have to try to break the ToS. you would be knowingly breaking it, and that is your own problem. Being banned from steam for breaking their TOS is perfectly legitmate, being cut off from hundereds or even thousands of dollars worh of games you physically purchased in a store that you did not break the TOS/Eula for is stupid. Especially when you consider that you in no way have to agree to the steam TosS on purchase of these games and cannot return them once opened and the terms are presented to you. But keep tying to justify it. But why is anyone breaking the TOS of anything in the first place? -_- Keep trying to justify it? Excuse me? you are basically saying "Unreasonable punishments that don't make sense are acceptable because no one should ever break the rules anyway." Should we give pot smokers and shoplifters the death sentence like we give murderers? Its ok because no one should ever break the law anyway right? I don't think we can even have a reasonable discussion on the point at this time seeing as how absurd you prospective is. Shop lifters blame the economy and that they can't find a job, so they resort to stealing. Pot smokers can blame their crappy lives, stressfilled jobs, family issues, so they resort to smoking drugs. None of these reasons excuse them for what they do, but the reason why they dont get equal treatments as people who deserve death sentences is because, in a court of humane justice, other people can sympathize with these reasons, which is why it is debatable to what extent they should be punished. Whats your reason for hacking a video game, because you suck at it? Good luck trying to get anyone to stand by you on that.
Uh, I haven't touched a hack in my entire life but I'll definitely agree that losing 100's of $ worth of licenses just for messing around with a wall hack in multiplayer or whatever seems a bit absurd.
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oh wow, i hope valve catches whoever hacked into them >.>
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On November 12 2011 08:57 Jojo131 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 08:52 gosuMalicE wrote:On November 12 2011 08:49 Silidons wrote:On November 12 2011 08:45 gosuMalicE wrote:On November 12 2011 08:33 legendre20 wrote:On November 12 2011 08:32 gosuMalicE wrote:
Glad this happened, I've got to may friends who go around acting like steam's shit smells like roses. Maybe this will be the straw that breaks the camels back and forces people to abandon this horrible "gaming platform". I'm assuming this is a troll. Not everyone likes steam, stream bans are the most absurd thing i have ever heard of. Everthing you have ever purchased (for yourself and for a gift) is revoked if you have 1 TOS violation? That would be like Sony or Microsoft coming in to your house and snapping all of your legitimately purchased XboX/PS3 discs in half because they found 1 peice of hombrew software on your console. you have to try to break the ToS. you would be knowingly breaking it, and that is your own problem. Being banned from steam for breaking their TOS is perfectly legitmate, being cut off from hundereds or even thousands of dollars worh of games you physically purchased in a store that you did not break the TOS/Eula for is stupid. Especially when you consider that you in no way have to agree to the steam TosS on purchase of these games and cannot return them once opened and the terms are presented to you. But keep tying to justify it. But why is anyone breaking the TOS of anything in the first place? -_- Keep trying to justify it?
There's some stupid stuff in there that's easy to break. Like for instance, if you purchase the first Deus Ex game from Steam, you're not permitted to mod it in any way. Even things like user-created high-definition texture packs are prohibited.
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On November 12 2011 09:19 gosuMalicE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 09:14 Jojo131 wrote:On November 12 2011 09:04 gosuMalicE wrote:On November 12 2011 08:57 Jojo131 wrote:On November 12 2011 08:52 gosuMalicE wrote:On November 12 2011 08:49 Silidons wrote:On November 12 2011 08:45 gosuMalicE wrote:On November 12 2011 08:33 legendre20 wrote:On November 12 2011 08:32 gosuMalicE wrote:
Glad this happened, I've got to may friends who go around acting like steam's shit smells like roses. Maybe this will be the straw that breaks the camels back and forces people to abandon this horrible "gaming platform". I'm assuming this is a troll. Not everyone likes steam, stream bans are the most absurd thing i have ever heard of. Everthing you have ever purchased (for yourself and for a gift) is revoked if you have 1 TOS violation? That would be like Sony or Microsoft coming in to your house and snapping all of your legitimately purchased XboX/PS3 discs in half because they found 1 peice of hombrew software on your console. you have to try to break the ToS. you would be knowingly breaking it, and that is your own problem. Being banned from steam for breaking their TOS is perfectly legitmate, being cut off from hundereds or even thousands of dollars worh of games you physically purchased in a store that you did not break the TOS/Eula for is stupid. Especially when you consider that you in no way have to agree to the steam TosS on purchase of these games and cannot return them once opened and the terms are presented to you. But keep tying to justify it. But why is anyone breaking the TOS of anything in the first place? -_- Keep trying to justify it? Excuse me? you are basically saying "Unreasonable punishments that don't make sense are acceptable because no one should ever break the rules anyway." Should we give pot smokers and shoplifters the death sentence like we give murderers? Its ok because no one should ever break the law anyway right? I don't think we can even have a reasonable discussion on the point at this time seeing as how absurd you prospective is. Shop lifters blame the economy and that they can't find a job, so they resort to stealing. Pot smokers can blame their crappy lives, stressfilled jobs, family issues, so they resort to smoking drugs. None of these reasons excuse them for what they do, but the reason why they dont get equal treatments as people who deserve death sentences is because, in a court of humane justice, other people can sympathize with these reasons, which is why it is debatable to what extent they should be punished. Whats your reason for hacking a video game, because you suck at it? Good luck trying to get anyone to stand by you on that. Lol you don't clarify you point at all no one has to be hacking or cheating in a multiplayer game for this to happen, read the hypothetical in my edited last post if you still don't get it.
Fair enough, I assumed you were talking about the more obvious TOS that aren't supposed to be violated.
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On November 12 2011 08:36 KrauserII wrote:
What's the reason for a lot of people disliking steam?
Constant downloads that often run very slowly. At least that's my biggest problem with it.
I still use and like it though.
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On November 12 2011 09:26 PH wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 08:57 Jojo131 wrote:On November 12 2011 08:52 gosuMalicE wrote:On November 12 2011 08:49 Silidons wrote:On November 12 2011 08:45 gosuMalicE wrote:On November 12 2011 08:33 legendre20 wrote:On November 12 2011 08:32 gosuMalicE wrote:
Glad this happened, I've got to may friends who go around acting like steam's shit smells like roses. Maybe this will be the straw that breaks the camels back and forces people to abandon this horrible "gaming platform". I'm assuming this is a troll. Not everyone likes steam, stream bans are the most absurd thing i have ever heard of. Everthing you have ever purchased (for yourself and for a gift) is revoked if you have 1 TOS violation? That would be like Sony or Microsoft coming in to your house and snapping all of your legitimately purchased XboX/PS3 discs in half because they found 1 peice of hombrew software on your console. you have to try to break the ToS. you would be knowingly breaking it, and that is your own problem. Being banned from steam for breaking their TOS is perfectly legitmate, being cut off from hundereds or even thousands of dollars worh of games you physically purchased in a store that you did not break the TOS/Eula for is stupid. Especially when you consider that you in no way have to agree to the steam TosS on purchase of these games and cannot return them once opened and the terms are presented to you. But keep tying to justify it. But why is anyone breaking the TOS of anything in the first place? -_- Keep trying to justify it? There's some stupid stuff in there that's easy to break. Like for instance, if you purchase the first Deus Ex game from Steam, you're not permitted to mod it in any way. Even things like user-created high-definition texture packs are prohibited.
developers protecting their own content they developed because someone decided to edit the original textures and release it as a HD pack, what a terrible thing to do
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On November 12 2011 06:06 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 01:19 straycat wrote:
"We do not have evidence that encrypted credit card numbers or personally identifying information were taken"
That is an absolutely stupid way to put it. That's like saying "We know the spies were in the room where the secret documents were lying on a table for everyone to read, but there is no evidence that the spies had their heads turned toward the table or that they had their eyes open"
I'm not interested in evidence that the hackers got sensitive information, I'm interested in evidence saying they did NOT get the information. Who puts a statement like that out in public? It doesn't matter if they got the CC numbers or not, because the numbers are 256 bit AES encrypted. Even if they got the numbers, they can't do anything with them, thanks to the encryption. 256 bit AES encryption would take billions of years, even for a supercomputer to crack. To use your analogy, "We know the spies were in the room where the secret documents were lying on a table for everyone to read, but the documents were written in a long-lost ancient language which no one has ever deciphered, so it doesn't matter if they saw them."
Agreed. Just wanted to quote again before anyone panics.
On November 12 2011 09:26 PH wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 08:57 Jojo131 wrote:On November 12 2011 08:52 gosuMalicE wrote:On November 12 2011 08:49 Silidons wrote:On November 12 2011 08:45 gosuMalicE wrote:On November 12 2011 08:33 legendre20 wrote:On November 12 2011 08:32 gosuMalicE wrote:
Glad this happened, I've got to may friends who go around acting like steam's shit smells like roses. Maybe this will be the straw that breaks the camels back and forces people to abandon this horrible "gaming platform". I'm assuming this is a troll. Not everyone likes steam, stream bans are the most absurd thing i have ever heard of. Everthing you have ever purchased (for yourself and for a gift) is revoked if you have 1 TOS violation? That would be like Sony or Microsoft coming in to your house and snapping all of your legitimately purchased XboX/PS3 discs in half because they found 1 peice of hombrew software on your console. you have to try to break the ToS. you would be knowingly breaking it, and that is your own problem. Being banned from steam for breaking their TOS is perfectly legitmate, being cut off from hundereds or even thousands of dollars worh of games you physically purchased in a store that you did not break the TOS/Eula for is stupid. Especially when you consider that you in no way have to agree to the steam TosS on purchase of these games and cannot return them once opened and the terms are presented to you. But keep tying to justify it. But why is anyone breaking the TOS of anything in the first place? -_- Keep trying to justify it? There's some stupid stuff in there that's easy to break. Like for instance, if you purchase the first Deus Ex game from Steam, you're not permitted to mod it in any way. Even things like user-created high-definition texture packs are prohibited.
What seriously? Was it Square-Enix telling Eidos what to do? SE Why no modding!!!!11111
Well so much for hopes of the next (or current/previous) FF games going to the PC with mod support >.>.
Edit - I mean Elder Scrolls has mod support and DLC. People still buy DLC even though there are mods >.>.
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So any updates or did nothing actually happen to people whos infomation was stolen? If its the latter then wd to valve for showing sony how its done. If its the former then i would be worried.
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On November 12 2011 16:36 T0fuuu wrote:
So any updates or did nothing actually happen to people whos infomation was stolen? If its the latter then wd to valve for showing sony how its done. If its the former then i would be worried.
dont think anything happened. the thing with sony is that it was all unprotected data and their scheme was so bad,..
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So long as my credit card isn't get rung up I don't care anymore. My name/mailing address/e-mail/employment history/yadayada has been leaked out there a handful of times that I know of now, and I'm just assuming some more times that I don't know of.
Spam? Junk mail? Phishing attempts? Whatever.
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On November 12 2011 09:21 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 09:14 Jojo131 wrote:On November 12 2011 09:04 gosuMalicE wrote:On November 12 2011 08:57 Jojo131 wrote:On November 12 2011 08:52 gosuMalicE wrote:On November 12 2011 08:49 Silidons wrote:On November 12 2011 08:45 gosuMalicE wrote:On November 12 2011 08:33 legendre20 wrote:On November 12 2011 08:32 gosuMalicE wrote:
Glad this happened, I've got to may friends who go around acting like steam's shit smells like roses. Maybe this will be the straw that breaks the camels back and forces people to abandon this horrible "gaming platform". I'm assuming this is a troll. Not everyone likes steam, stream bans are the most absurd thing i have ever heard of. Everthing you have ever purchased (for yourself and for a gift) is revoked if you have 1 TOS violation? That would be like Sony or Microsoft coming in to your house and snapping all of your legitimately purchased XboX/PS3 discs in half because they found 1 peice of hombrew software on your console. you have to try to break the ToS. you would be knowingly breaking it, and that is your own problem. Being banned from steam for breaking their TOS is perfectly legitmate, being cut off from hundereds or even thousands of dollars worh of games you physically purchased in a store that you did not break the TOS/Eula for is stupid. Especially when you consider that you in no way have to agree to the steam TosS on purchase of these games and cannot return them once opened and the terms are presented to you. But keep tying to justify it. But why is anyone breaking the TOS of anything in the first place? -_- Keep trying to justify it? Excuse me? you are basically saying "Unreasonable punishments that don't make sense are acceptable because no one should ever break the rules anyway." Should we give pot smokers and shoplifters the death sentence like we give murderers? Its ok because no one should ever break the law anyway right? I don't think we can even have a reasonable discussion on the point at this time seeing as how absurd you prospective is. Shop lifters blame the economy and that they can't find a job, so they resort to stealing. Pot smokers can blame their crappy lives, stressfilled jobs, family issues, so they resort to smoking drugs. None of these reasons excuse them for what they do, but the reason why they dont get equal treatments as people who deserve death sentences is because, in a court of humane justice, other people can sympathize with these reasons, which is why it is debatable to what extent they should be punished. Whats your reason for hacking a video game, because you suck at it? Good luck trying to get anyone to stand by you on that. Uh, I haven't touched a hack in my entire life but I'll definitely agree that losing 100's of $ worth of licenses just for messing around with a wall hack in multiplayer or whatever seems a bit absurd.
If you cheat in say CS:S they only ban you from playin on VAC servers and from all other games that use VAC 2.0, like modern warfare 2 but NOT black ops.
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