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ampson
United States2355 Posts
On December 03 2011 12:41 Dick Prebble wrote: Never underestimate the ignorance of the Christian right. Avoid the insult next time, and the dude's right. Perry has no chance in a general election. But, then again, none of these candidates are any good. | ||
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Pillage
United States804 Posts
Republican presidential hopeful Herman Cain told supporters Saturday that he is suspending his presidential campaign, which has become hobbled in recent weeks by allegations of sexual harassment and an Atlanta woman's claim that they carried on a 13-year affair. He introduced his "Plan B" -- "continue to be a voice for the people" -- as he announced a new website, TheCainSolutions.com. His announcement came a month before the Iowa caucuses, the first formal test of the primary season, scheduled for January 3. Source | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
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Pillage
United States804 Posts
On December 04 2011 04:37 1Eris1 wrote: Cain going out is no suprise, but I'm really curious as to where his supporters will jump. Could really throw the whole thing up in the air. (Even more than it already is) I'd assume most of em will end up supporting Gingrich. I just can't see most people who liked Cain to be big Romney fans. | ||
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Anachronism
109 Posts
No offence to americans but come on, you and me both know lobbyism is ruining the democracy... it's spreading to Europa, that's the scary part. | ||
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QuXn
Germany71 Posts
source: http://www.dailypaul.com/190339/herman-cain-forums-has-made-their-endorsement-now-that-cain-is-out-ron-paul | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
I can't wait to watch Republicans squirm like worms over who they vote for. Romney is the only one that stands a chance against Obama. GLHF voting. | ||
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stevarius
United States1394 Posts
On December 04 2011 13:35 Cloud9157 wrote: rofl I can't wait to watch Republicans squirm like worms over who they vote for. Romney is the only one that stands a chance against Obama. GLHF voting. If you were to provide the polarity Paul has in comparison to Obama, I think Paul could win that election. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On December 04 2011 13:39 stevarius wrote: If you were to provide the polarity Paul has in comparison to Obama, I think Paul could win that election. And then we remember we live in the real world and not some strange fantasy world. Paul doesn't stand a chance even in Republican primary, where the Tea Party largely adopts his platform. How would he stand a chance in a general election when he advocates policies the left and independents would NEVER agree with? | ||
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staxringold
United States173 Posts
On December 04 2011 04:37 1Eris1 wrote: Cain going out is no suprise, but I'm really curious as to where his supporters will jump. Could really throw the whole thing up in the air. (Even more than it already is) The fact that Romney stayed steady throughout the ebbs and flows of Gingrich into Bachmann into Perry into Cain into Gingrich again coupled with the fact that each rise and fall flowed so neatly into one another suggests to me this was largely a movement of the same voters, namely the conservative base that prefers ideological consistency over the electability Romney offers. Given this it's logic to think that the three other names they had supported (Gingrich, Perry, Bachmann) would snatch up most of his supporters. Given that Gingrich has already taken his share (he's the new not-Romney), I'd imagine the remaining Cain base would flow to either Perry or Bachmann (maybe with some nominal leftovers to Santorum/Paul). | ||
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screamingpalm
United States1527 Posts
On December 04 2011 14:12 aksfjh wrote: And then we remember we live in the real world and not some strange fantasy world. Paul doesn't stand a chance even in Republican primary, where the Tea Party largely adopts his platform. How would he stand a chance in a general election when he advocates policies the left and independents would NEVER agree with? I doubt he'll get the nomination, but I think people are so fed up with the corruption that they are willing to put aside ideology in order to gain some integrity. Paul has shown a willingness to work with progressives on some very important core issues (more so than Obama). Of course I disagree with him on damn near everything else, but we need to have some ethics and be able to hold public officials accountable before anything else matters. | ||
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brain_
United States812 Posts
On December 04 2011 13:39 stevarius wrote: If you were to provide the polarity Paul has in comparison to Obama, I think Paul could win that election. Paul's nomination would result in the most interesting election in half a century. Paul is a true libertarian, something that has been missing from American political discourse for over a hundred years. It'd be a chance at an ideological revolution, and the polarization it'd bring would be unprecedented. It'd be as clear a choice as you can make between markets and statism. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On December 04 2011 16:03 screamingpalm wrote: I doubt he'll get the nomination, but I think people are so fed up with the corruption that they are willing to put aside ideology in order to gain some integrity. Paul has shown a willingness to work with progressives on some very important core issues (more so than Obama). Of course I disagree with him on damn near everything else, but we need to have some ethics and be able to hold public officials accountable before anything else matters. The only "progressive" issue he has shown attachment to is Social Security, and only because people have paid into it and are expecting a return out of it. Every other program and executive department is up to the chopping block. Seriously, how would you sell a platform to environment conscious independents without the EPA, or blue collar support without the Dept. of Labor, or college students without the Dept. of Education (which runs the government backed student loans)? The minute you start shining a light on the things he would love to get rid of, you realize huge interest groups that would be devastated. As much as people respect integrity, they would much rather protect their personal prosperity. That is why somebody like Ron Paul is rare in politics. | ||
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Proko
United States1022 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On December 04 2011 17:24 Mohdoo wrote: So who is it looking like will get the nomination now? I've predicted from the start that everyone will accidentally blow themselves up until its just Romney left. Still kind of looking that way, as far as I can tell. Romney will remain in the race until they vote someone in. Hes still probably the last person they would vote for, but like I said earlier, I will enjoy watching them squirm. | ||
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BobTheBuilder1377
Somalia335 Posts
On December 04 2011 17:10 aksfjh wrote: The only "progressive" issue he has shown attachment to is Social Security, and only because people have paid into it and are expecting a return out of it. Every other program and executive department is up to the chopping block. Seriously, how would you sell a platform to environment conscious independents without the EPA, or blue collar support without the Dept. of Labor, or college students without the Dept. of Education (which runs the government backed student loans)? The minute you start shining a light on the things he would love to get rid of, you realize huge interest groups that would be devastated. As much as people respect integrity, they would much rather protect their personal prosperity. That is why somebody like Ron Paul is rare in politics. Are you saying true "progressives" are for war? Because last time I checked Ron Paul was the only candidate to pull troops from all over the world. I hope you realize we had public education before the DOE. I never understood fear mongers that say that it will be the end of public education once he gets rid of DOE. Also, your wrong when it comes to college tuition. He said he would keep that a long with other list of things Democrats would be happy with. See here for more info: http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ron-paul-plan-to-restore-america/ | ||
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
Edit: I should clarify what I mean. Paul would be great because he'd implement (barring any blockage) a lot of things which will work horrendously poorly and we will finally have true empirical evidence for this. I'm sure he'll actually get rid of a lot of "bad" stuff aswell, but that's besides the point. It'd be the biggest social experiment the planet has ever seen. And I would enjoy it immensly. | ||
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