On July 23 2011 14:20 XenOmega wrote: I am of those that believe we should never make exceptions... If we truly believe in the ideals of our society, one madman, no matter his crimes, should not move us away from our own ideals. If we do, then the killer not only destroyed lives, he also destroyed our way of life.
The murderer believed in ideals. See where that brought us.
Ergo, believing that this man should be executed is a reflection of an ideology. So saying, "the murder had an ideal, so there should be no ideals" is pretty much as nonsensical as saying "everything I say is true, this is a lie".
On July 23 2011 14:20 XenOmega wrote: I am of those that believe we should never make exceptions... If we truly believe in the ideals of our society, one madman, no matter his crimes, should not move us away from our own ideals. If we do, then the killer not only destroyed lives, he also destroyed our way of life.
The murderer believed in ideals. See where that brought us.
Im hereby sending you my new compendium (3 books); 2083 A European Declaration of Independence, in Word 97 format, which includes the following main topics:
1. The ongoing Islamisation of Western Europe
2. The current state of the Western European Resistance Movements (anti-Marxist/anti-Jihad movements)
3. Solutions for Western Europe and how we, the cultural conservative resistance, should move forward in the coming decades
4. And covering all, highly relevant topics including solutions and strategies for all of the 8 different political fronts
The compendium/book presents advanced ideological, practical, tactical, organisational and rhetorical solutions and strategies for all patriotic-minded individuals/movements. The book will be of great interest to you whether you are a moderate or a more dedicated cultural conservative/nationalist.
After years of work the first edition of the compendium 2083 is completed. If you have received this e-mail and book, you are either a former Facebook friend or you are the friend of my Facebook friend. If you are concerned for the future of Western Europe you will definitely find the information both interesting and highly relevant.
I have spent several years researching and compiling the information and I have spent most of my hard earned funds in this process (in excess of 300 000 Euros). I do not want any compensation for the work as it is a gift to you, as a fellow patriot.
The content of the compendium truly belongs to everyone and is available to be distributed non-commercially in any way or form. In fact, I ask only one favour of you; I ask that you distribute this book to everyone you know. Please do not think that others will take care of it. Sorry to be blunt, but it does not work out that way. If we, the Western European Resistance, fail or become apathetic, then Western Europe will fall, and your liberties with it& It is essential and very important that everyone is at least presented with the truth before our systems come crashing down within 2 to 7 decades. So again, I humbly ask you to re-distribute the book to as many patriotic minded individuals as you can. I am 100% certain that the distribution of this compendium to a large portion of European patriots will contribute to ensure our victory in the end. Because within these three books lies the tools required to win the ongoing Western European cultural war, the war against the anti-European hate ideology known as multiculturalism.
Multiculturalism (cultural Marxism/political correctness), as you might know, is the root cause of the ongoing Islamisation of Europe which has resulted in the ongoing Islamic colonisation of Europe through demographic warfare and conquest. This compendium presents the solutions and explains exactly what is required of each and every one of us in the coming decades. Everyone can and should contribute in one way or another, its just a matter of will.
I hope you enjoy this compendium. It currently offers the most comprehensive database of solution oriented subjects. As mentioned, I only ask one thing from you; that you distribute this book to your friends and ask them to forward it to their friends, especially to individuals who have a patriotic mindset. Please help us and help yourself, your family and friends by contributing to spread the tools which will ensure our victory; for the truth must be known... It is not only our right but also our duty to contribute to preserve our identity, our culture and our national sovereignty by preventing the ongoing Islamisation. There is no Resistance Movement if individuals like us refuse to contribute...
Time is of the essence. We have only a few decades to consolidate a sufficient level of resistance before our major cities are completely demographically overwhelmed by Muslims. Ensuring the successful distribution of this compendium to as many Europeans as humanly possible will significantly contribute to our success. It may be the only way to avoid our present and future dhimmitude (enslavement) under Islamic majority rule in our own countries.
I have been unable to send this compendium to many people, for various reasons, so I truly hope you will be willing to contribute.
This compendium is sent to you in the Word 2007 docx format. If you do not have MS Word 2007 or newer you may get a 2007 Word Viewer at no cost at the main Microsoft site or just get a trial version.
Opening a docx file
Microsoft introduced the .docx file format in its 2007 Office and Word applications and wants it to replace the commonly used doc format. The problem with the change from doc to docx is that many users are still working with prior versions of Word (XP in particular) or no Microsoft product at all and face the problem that they cant load the docx file because it is not supported in their application.
Older versions of Microsoft Office or Microsoft Word:
Older versions such as Office XP do not support the docx format because it was not known when they were developed and sold. A simple way to read docx and xlsx files is to select one of the following options:
1. For Word XP or older versions - install the Microsoft Compatibility Pack which adds support for the new file formats, or;
2. Download Word 97 viewer or newer, or;
3. You can use the Open XML Translator for Open Office to be able to read and edit docx files with Open Office, or;
4. The free online docx converter lets you convert docx documents. This is a pretty good solution if you dont want to install the previously mentioned add-ons. Remember, gaining access to this compendium will be well worth your time!
For translation from English to another language I would recommend the Google translation engine as a short term solution.
Sincere and patriotic regards,
Andrew Berwick, London, England - 2011
Justiciar Knight Commander for Knights Templar Europe and one of several leaders of the National and pan-European Patriotic Resistance Movement
With the assistance from brothers and sisters in England, France, Germany, Sweden, Austria, Italy, Spain, Finland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, the US etc.
Death penalty is not a punishment. The punishment should be something that you can take it back in case someone is wrongly accused of a crime. Even these cases are really rare, we're talking about someone (even if this happens once in a million) getting accused for something he didn't do and losing his life due to that.
About the main topic, I'm truly shocked. I heard 17 casualties yesterday and did not expect the number 90 today...This is really, really sad. My symphaties to anyone who lost a close human being and my support goes to every Norwegian and Norway.
On July 23 2011 14:20 XenOmega wrote: I am of those that believe we should never make exceptions... If we truly believe in the ideals of our society, one madman, no matter his crimes, should not move us away from our own ideals. If we do, then the killer not only destroyed lives, he also destroyed our way of life.
The murderer believed in ideals. See where that brought us.
Please stop pointless posts like this. This isn't only useless but VERY disrespectfull of all the children attending this camp who obviously had ideals as well.
On July 24 2011 02:00 MaGic~PhiL wrote: If you are not trolling you are just retarted. You choose.
Jailing a criminal DOES grant protection from criminal acts. We are not talking about traveling back in time and preventing his first crime but further crimes.
Jesus..
You should look up the word recidivism. I have already identified your concern and provided an alternative. Other alternatives: removing his eyes, putting a tracking collar on him, sending him to Antarctica, etc. Jail is not the only option as you stated earlier.
And remember, your original argument against capital punishment is the "hypocrisy" argument in that we shouldn't kill people and tell people not to kill at the same time. But no matter what sort of punishment you choose, it involves hypocrisy, which was my original point. So hypocrisy is definitely not a reason to reject any particular punishment. There are good reasons to ban capital punishment outright, and a lot of it simply has to do with one's inherent moral system. Resorting to "hypocrisy" is a lazy argument.
On July 24 2011 02:08 Grettin wrote: Completely throwing this out there. But this is spreading pretty "fast" by email and stuff. Who knows if its legit.
Im hereby sending you my new compendium (3 books); 2083 A European Declaration of Independence, in Word 97 format, which includes the following main topics:
1. The ongoing Islamisation of Western Europe
2. The current state of the Western European Resistance Movements (anti-Marxist/anti-Jihad movements)
3. Solutions for Western Europe and how we, the cultural conservative resistance, should move forward in the coming decades
4. And covering all, highly relevant topics including solutions and strategies for all of the 8 different political fronts
The compendium/book presents advanced ideological, practical, tactical, organisational and rhetorical solutions and strategies for all patriotic-minded individuals/movements. The book will be of great interest to you whether you are a moderate or a more dedicated cultural conservative/nationalist.
After years of work the first edition of the compendium 2083 is completed. If you have received this e-mail and book, you are either a former Facebook friend or you are the friend of my Facebook friend. If you are concerned for the future of Western Europe you will definitely find the information both interesting and highly relevant.
I have spent several years researching and compiling the information and I have spent most of my hard earned funds in this process (in excess of 300 000 Euros). I do not want any compensation for the work as it is a gift to you, as a fellow patriot.
The content of the compendium truly belongs to everyone and is available to be distributed non-commercially in any way or form. In fact, I ask only one favour of you; I ask that you distribute this book to everyone you know. Please do not think that others will take care of it. Sorry to be blunt, but it does not work out that way. If we, the Western European Resistance, fail or become apathetic, then Western Europe will fall, and your liberties with it& It is essential and very important that everyone is at least presented with the truth before our systems come crashing down within 2 to 7 decades. So again, I humbly ask you to re-distribute the book to as many patriotic minded individuals as you can. I am 100% certain that the distribution of this compendium to a large portion of European patriots will contribute to ensure our victory in the end. Because within these three books lies the tools required to win the ongoing Western European cultural war, the war against the anti-European hate ideology known as multiculturalism.
Multiculturalism (cultural Marxism/political correctness), as you might know, is the root cause of the ongoing Islamisation of Europe which has resulted in the ongoing Islamic colonisation of Europe through demographic warfare and conquest. This compendium presents the solutions and explains exactly what is required of each and every one of us in the coming decades. Everyone can and should contribute in one way or another, its just a matter of will.
I hope you enjoy this compendium. It currently offers the most comprehensive database of solution oriented subjects. As mentioned, I only ask one thing from you; that you distribute this book to your friends and ask them to forward it to their friends, especially to individuals who have a patriotic mindset. Please help us and help yourself, your family and friends by contributing to spread the tools which will ensure our victory; for the truth must be known... It is not only our right but also our duty to contribute to preserve our identity, our culture and our national sovereignty by preventing the ongoing Islamisation. There is no Resistance Movement if individuals like us refuse to contribute...
Time is of the essence. We have only a few decades to consolidate a sufficient level of resistance before our major cities are completely demographically overwhelmed by Muslims. Ensuring the successful distribution of this compendium to as many Europeans as humanly possible will significantly contribute to our success. It may be the only way to avoid our present and future dhimmitude (enslavement) under Islamic majority rule in our own countries.
I have been unable to send this compendium to many people, for various reasons, so I truly hope you will be willing to contribute.
This compendium is sent to you in the Word 2007 docx format. If you do not have MS Word 2007 or newer you may get a 2007 Word Viewer at no cost at the main Microsoft site or just get a trial version.
Opening a docx file
Microsoft introduced the .docx file format in its 2007 Office and Word applications and wants it to replace the commonly used doc format. The problem with the change from doc to docx is that many users are still working with prior versions of Word (XP in particular) or no Microsoft product at all and face the problem that they cant load the docx file because it is not supported in their application.
Older versions of Microsoft Office or Microsoft Word:
Older versions such as Office XP do not support the docx format because it was not known when they were developed and sold. A simple way to read docx and xlsx files is to select one of the following options:
1. For Word XP or older versions - install the Microsoft Compatibility Pack which adds support for the new file formats, or;
2. Download Word 97 viewer or newer, or;
3. You can use the Open XML Translator for Open Office to be able to read and edit docx files with Open Office, or;
4. The free online docx converter lets you convert docx documents. This is a pretty good solution if you dont want to install the previously mentioned add-ons. Remember, gaining access to this compendium will be well worth your time!
For translation from English to another language I would recommend the Google translation engine as a short term solution.
Sincere and patriotic regards,
Andrew Berwick, London, England - 2011
Justiciar Knight Commander for Knights Templar Europe and one of several leaders of the National and pan-European Patriotic Resistance Movement
With the assistance from brothers and sisters in England, France, Germany, Sweden, Austria, Italy, Spain, Finland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, the US etc.
On July 24 2011 02:08 Grettin wrote: Completely throwing this out there. But this is spreading pretty "fast" by email and stuff. Who knows if its legit.
Im hereby sending you my new compendium (3 books); 2083 A European Declaration of Independence, in Word 97 format, which includes the following main topics:
1. The ongoing Islamisation of Western Europe
2. The current state of the Western European Resistance Movements (anti-Marxist/anti-Jihad movements)
3. Solutions for Western Europe and how we, the cultural conservative resistance, should move forward in the coming decades
4. And covering all, highly relevant topics including solutions and strategies for all of the 8 different political fronts
The compendium/book presents advanced ideological, practical, tactical, organisational and rhetorical solutions and strategies for all patriotic-minded individuals/movements. The book will be of great interest to you whether you are a moderate or a more dedicated cultural conservative/nationalist.
After years of work the first edition of the compendium 2083 is completed. If you have received this e-mail and book, you are either a former Facebook friend or you are the friend of my Facebook friend. If you are concerned for the future of Western Europe you will definitely find the information both interesting and highly relevant.
I have spent several years researching and compiling the information and I have spent most of my hard earned funds in this process (in excess of 300 000 Euros). I do not want any compensation for the work as it is a gift to you, as a fellow patriot.
The content of the compendium truly belongs to everyone and is available to be distributed non-commercially in any way or form. In fact, I ask only one favour of you; I ask that you distribute this book to everyone you know. Please do not think that others will take care of it. Sorry to be blunt, but it does not work out that way. If we, the Western European Resistance, fail or become apathetic, then Western Europe will fall, and your liberties with it& It is essential and very important that everyone is at least presented with the truth before our systems come crashing down within 2 to 7 decades. So again, I humbly ask you to re-distribute the book to as many patriotic minded individuals as you can. I am 100% certain that the distribution of this compendium to a large portion of European patriots will contribute to ensure our victory in the end. Because within these three books lies the tools required to win the ongoing Western European cultural war, the war against the anti-European hate ideology known as multiculturalism.
Multiculturalism (cultural Marxism/political correctness), as you might know, is the root cause of the ongoing Islamisation of Europe which has resulted in the ongoing Islamic colonisation of Europe through demographic warfare and conquest. This compendium presents the solutions and explains exactly what is required of each and every one of us in the coming decades. Everyone can and should contribute in one way or another, its just a matter of will.
I hope you enjoy this compendium. It currently offers the most comprehensive database of solution oriented subjects. As mentioned, I only ask one thing from you; that you distribute this book to your friends and ask them to forward it to their friends, especially to individuals who have a patriotic mindset. Please help us and help yourself, your family and friends by contributing to spread the tools which will ensure our victory; for the truth must be known... It is not only our right but also our duty to contribute to preserve our identity, our culture and our national sovereignty by preventing the ongoing Islamisation. There is no Resistance Movement if individuals like us refuse to contribute...
Time is of the essence. We have only a few decades to consolidate a sufficient level of resistance before our major cities are completely demographically overwhelmed by Muslims. Ensuring the successful distribution of this compendium to as many Europeans as humanly possible will significantly contribute to our success. It may be the only way to avoid our present and future dhimmitude (enslavement) under Islamic majority rule in our own countries.
I have been unable to send this compendium to many people, for various reasons, so I truly hope you will be willing to contribute.
This compendium is sent to you in the Word 2007 docx format. If you do not have MS Word 2007 or newer you may get a 2007 Word Viewer at no cost at the main Microsoft site or just get a trial version.
Opening a docx file
Microsoft introduced the .docx file format in its 2007 Office and Word applications and wants it to replace the commonly used doc format. The problem with the change from doc to docx is that many users are still working with prior versions of Word (XP in particular) or no Microsoft product at all and face the problem that they cant load the docx file because it is not supported in their application.
Older versions of Microsoft Office or Microsoft Word:
Older versions such as Office XP do not support the docx format because it was not known when they were developed and sold. A simple way to read docx and xlsx files is to select one of the following options:
1. For Word XP or older versions - install the Microsoft Compatibility Pack which adds support for the new file formats, or;
2. Download Word 97 viewer or newer, or;
3. You can use the Open XML Translator for Open Office to be able to read and edit docx files with Open Office, or;
4. The free online docx converter lets you convert docx documents. This is a pretty good solution if you dont want to install the previously mentioned add-ons. Remember, gaining access to this compendium will be well worth your time!
For translation from English to another language I would recommend the Google translation engine as a short term solution.
Sincere and patriotic regards,
Andrew Berwick, London, England - 2011
Justiciar Knight Commander for Knights Templar Europe and one of several leaders of the National and pan-European Patriotic Resistance Movement
With the assistance from brothers and sisters in England, France, Germany, Sweden, Austria, Italy, Spain, Finland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, the US etc.
1500 pages, would be interesting I guess if I had the time.
Yeah, its HUGE. Just checked the last page where is couple of pictures of the shooter. if you want me to upload them and link, feel free to say so. (these haven't been in the thread yet, id assume)
As a Norwegian living abroad I really wish I had the money to go home. Happy that none of my friends or family were involved, but this news has sent me into a depression.
On July 24 2011 02:00 MaGic~PhiL wrote: If you are not trolling you are just retarted. You choose.
Jailing a criminal DOES grant protection from criminal acts. We are not talking about traveling back in time and preventing his first crime but further crimes.
Jesus..
You should look up the word recidivism. I have already identified your concern and provided an alternative. Other alternatives: removing his eyes, putting a tracking collar on him, sending him to Antarctica, etc. Jail is not the only option as you stated earlier.
And remember, your original argument against capital punishment is the "hypocrisy" argument in that we shouldn't kill people and tell people not to kill at the same time. But no matter what sort of punishment you choose, it involves hypocrisy, which was my original point. So hypocrisy is definitely not a reason to reject any particular punishment. There are good reasons to ban capital punishment outright, and a lot of it simply has to do with one's inherent moral system. Resorting to "hypocrisy" is a lazy argument.
Okey example for you:
All that is needed for a person to be executed is a weapon of some kind.
Citizen A sees that someone is executed by law --> I can kill people too, it's 'right' in some way after all. P
Pretty easy thing to do isnt it?
Citizen B sees that someone is brought to jail and everything that in a developed country is connected with it (rehabilitation e.g.) --> That is hardly something that he can do on his own. Hardly has any capabilities do to it.
This happened in Norway, he was a Norwegian killing other Norwegians. He should be punished by Norwegian law which in this case is a fair representation of what the Norwegian society wants.
I'm proud that our justice system doesn't involve revenge, and all these calls by foreigners to change this and proclaiming what he deserves is sad. We want our prisoners to be treated with the respect any human being deserves, even those who does the most terrible actions.
I'm certain that we will not be changing our justice system because of this event, and I believe he will spend most of his life in prison to protect the public.
Why should we kill people that kill people, to show people that killing is wrong?
Mostly to show people that if you do something horrible the government can and will end your life.
It doesn't really stop anyone but it makes the public feel better and some people just don't deserve to live.
Actually it doesn't make the public feel better. Maybe the US public. Certainly not the Norwegian society.
I love how every single thread that even relates to weapons or something of this nature devolves into a shitting on USA contest.
Maybe if so many North American posters didn't post so many shit-for-brains comments in these threads for the past 18 hours you wouldn't see so many exasperated replies from European posters, yeah?
Maybe if they didn't stereotype a whole country based on the opinion of a couple on the internet I wouldn't have made that exasperated reply, yeah? God maybe in Europe it's ok to be a stereotyping douche, but not here!(lollolsee what I did there?)
Maybe if you read his post properly you would see that he did not base a whole country on the opinions of a couple, his post was based on the NA posters on this thread, yeah?
Look at the 2nd post in the quote "Maybe it's ok in the US public, but not in Norweigan society" Stereotyping the whole use public, based on that post. That's what I'm talking about, so perhaps you should read.
No, you should re-read the whole argument and sentences again because you made a large fool out of yourself.
All that is needed for a person to be executed is a weapon of some kind.
Citizen A sees that someone is executed by law --> I can kill people too, it's 'right' in some way after all. P
Pretty easy thing to do isnt it?
Citizen B sees that someone is brought to jail and everything that in a developed country is connected with it (rehabilitation e.g.) --> That is hardly something that he can do on his own. Hardly has any capabilities do to it.
Dont u agree !?
Please stop this discussion here. Make your own thread about it if you want to continue it, please.
Terrible to wake up hearing that 14 or so victims had grown to around 90. Feel powerless and confused. I just cannot fathom why he did it. I am just glad my sister decided to change what party to support, or else she could have been on that island.
On July 24 2011 02:32 Maggy wrote: After reading through all of this stuff, and watching all of the disgusting videos i knew that there was only one way to cheer me up again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqWB8zi_Cnk
this video always makes me happy.
I wish the best for the norwegian families.
that actually put a smile on my face, thank you for that video
On July 24 2011 01:00 larssto wrote: Something that annoys me is that the Norwegian news does not seem to have picked up on the fact that this guy's Facebook profile is less than a week old, and most likely contains propaganda he wants the media to see. All the news stations are swallowing what he wrote there seemingly without question....
Yeah that is what i was thinking this could be all just made for the news to draw this picture of him... Why dont say that this may be all made up wtf are they just a tool and like it like this or what is wrong with the news????
This has also been pointed out by at least Spiegel Online, so I think both german and norwegian media are rather critical here.
For german tv-news: Please dont watch N24 or NTV and take all their stuff for granted, their standarts have not been especially hight during the whole of it.
This was only bound to happen in Europe. Too much hate was being thrown out at Muslims/Islam in particular without any reason. Hate speech always leads to hateful actions. It saddens me that this happened to norway in particular =/