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Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5183 Posts
May 01 2018 01:49 GMT
#13861
How large is a water/sewage treatment plant? And how much square meter do you need of it (or volume) per person?
Could every home do with its own treatment tank and refilter its own water? How many homes could a small plant treat?
Taxes are for Terrans
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
May 01 2018 11:13 GMT
#13862
I suppose in theory every home could have a septic tank, but what's the point in a densely populated urban area? You still need a sewer system. Who will be responsible for maintenance in a block of flats? If it is the local government, they will prefer to transfer the sewage to a as large a treatment plant as possible, as far away as possible for easier and cheaper maintenance. If you live in a rural area, you will likely have a septic tank anyways.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5183 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-01 16:02:39
May 01 2018 14:24 GMT
#13863
The point is that I can't find sewage system size per capita. Also, from a network kind of view it's interesting how large your hubs would need to be, where to place them, ... when looking at efficiency. Perhaps a smaller plant every 1000 homes would be more efficient, I don't know...
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11904 Posts
May 01 2018 18:51 GMT
#13864
Hm, for the last point, i think the fact that basically every city has very centralized sewage systems speaks for the theory that centralized sewage is more efficient.
Gorgonoth
Profile Joined August 2017
United States468 Posts
May 01 2018 19:29 GMT
#13865
How are people playing BW with the Old graphics but in really high quality? Is it some sort of launcher?
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24052 Posts
May 01 2018 19:34 GMT
#13866
I don't think modern sewer systems are the culmination of the thousands of years they existed and thorough planning.

Somehow after Mesopotamian and Greek sewers, humanity mostly abandoned any complex version. Wasn't until the late 1800's and early 1900's we dove back into sewer development with any remotely significant engineering improvements.

For thousands of years sewers remained mostly unimproved in city design or functionality then out of desperation from people dying in the street and unbearable odors they slapdashed something together.

It's probably not a terrible idea to take another look at how we do it.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5183 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-01 19:36:57
May 01 2018 19:35 GMT
#13867
@Simberto
How do you know? Cities grow organically, it's houses packed next to each other, then sewage being added.
It might be more of a hassle trying to wedge it in, calculating efficiency, rearranging infrastructure and what not.
How did the story go in the US when cities were actually planned? I'm pretty sure they didn't account for certain feature of modern day life, it was probably more like: get as many people housed as possible in this area.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24052 Posts
May 01 2018 19:53 GMT
#13868
On May 02 2018 04:35 Uldridge wrote:
@Simberto
How do you know? Cities grow organically, it's houses packed next to each other, then sewage being added.
It might be more of a hassle trying to wedge it in, calculating efficiency, rearranging infrastructure and what not.
How did the story go in the US when cities were actually planned? I'm pretty sure they didn't account for certain feature of modern day life, it was probably more like: get as many people housed as possible in this area.


Most of our early sewers were basically just shit/runoff streams that were dumped into rivers and lakes. The whole water treatment part came after most US cities already had their main centers. Sewage treatment (beyond harvesting fertilizer) has been an after thought right up until the mid 1900's and the EPA
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
May 01 2018 20:06 GMT
#13869
There are modern single home sewage treatment systems that output a finished product that is "colorless, odorless but not safe to drink". In places where people have their own septic systems (not on city sewer) but for various reasons (usually spatial considerations or high water tables) can't use a traditional leech field they are becoming more and more common. They are very expensive though, can spend 50,000$ on them in my area and they require maintenance and monitoring contracts. A traditional system costs a fraction as much ~10,000 and lasts 20-30 years usually.

Anyways all this to say that I am pretty sure it would be pretty inefficient in a large city environment.

https://www.orenco.com/products/treatment-systems

is the type that I am familiar with and I am pretty sure you can find some numbers in there for filtration footprint per bedroom/occupant (i can tell you one "pod" handles 500 gallons per day off the top of my head) etc if you really care and then compare with some of the larger operations but obviously it doesnt really answer your question.

btw there is no question at all that there is far superior waste treatment technology than currently in use in most places in the US. like with anything updating to current technology is expensive.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
May 01 2018 20:23 GMT
#13870
On May 02 2018 04:29 Gorgonoth wrote:
How are people playing BW with the Old graphics but in really high quality? Is it some sort of launcher?

Are you talking about starcraft remastered or something else? If you don't mean SC:R then you should provide screenshots for what you mean.
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Gorgonoth
Profile Joined August 2017
United States468 Posts
May 01 2018 20:36 GMT
#13871
On May 02 2018 05:23 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2018 04:29 Gorgonoth wrote:
How are people playing BW with the Old graphics but in really high quality? Is it some sort of launcher?

Are you talking about starcraft remastered or something else? If you don't mean SC:R then you should provide screenshots for what you mean.

Well this is another stupid question but does playing on the ladder mean you have remastered?
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
May 01 2018 20:55 GMT
#13872
On May 02 2018 05:36 Gorgonoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2018 05:23 Fecalfeast wrote:
On May 02 2018 04:29 Gorgonoth wrote:
How are people playing BW with the Old graphics but in really high quality? Is it some sort of launcher?

Are you talking about starcraft remastered or something else? If you don't mean SC:R then you should provide screenshots for what you mean.

Well this is another stupid question but does playing on the ladder mean you have remastered?

Yes, if by ladder you mean battle.net matchmaking.
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11904 Posts
May 02 2018 10:21 GMT
#13873
On May 02 2018 05:23 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2018 04:29 Gorgonoth wrote:
How are people playing BW with the Old graphics but in really high quality? Is it some sort of launcher?

Are you talking about starcraft remastered or something else? If you don't mean SC:R then you should provide screenshots for what you mean.


Or are you maybe not talking about playing, but about watching replays?

The OpenBW replay viewer allows for viewing replays in higher resolutions (meaning there is more stuff on screen), and at higher speeds than normal.

http://www.openbw.com/replay-viewer/
Gorgonoth
Profile Joined August 2017
United States468 Posts
May 02 2018 15:04 GMT
#13874
No it wasnt that I was like watching Herb stream and he was using the Old graphics but they looked super sharp like they used to, but he was playing the ladder
arghyad1
Profile Joined April 2018
India243 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-03 22:59:14
May 03 2018 22:58 GMT
#13875
Can any1 tell me if any cartoon strips have been made on Dota?
The more you hurt me, The Stronger I become....
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
May 04 2018 07:54 GMT
#13876
I don't wanna work. Simple as that. Everything I like (i.e. creating music) brings 0 income. Any ideas on how to get money?
Dating thread on TL LUL
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18331 Posts
May 04 2018 07:55 GMT
#13877
On May 04 2018 16:54 SoSexy wrote:
I don't wanna work. Simple as that. Everything I like (i.e. creating music) brings 0 income. Any ideas on how to get money?

Sell sexual favors.
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-04 07:59:39
May 04 2018 07:57 GMT
#13878
On May 04 2018 16:55 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2018 16:54 SoSexy wrote:
I don't wanna work. Simple as that. Everything I like (i.e. creating music) brings 0 income. Any ideas on how to get money?

Sell sexual favors.


Hmm I actually could go to dinners and nights out with super rich old ladies...but it's always the same problem I encounter with other activities: how do you get started?? Also I fear that since I have no abs my value decreeses drastically
Dating thread on TL LUL
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18331 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-04 08:14:14
May 04 2018 08:12 GMT
#13879
On May 04 2018 16:57 SoSexy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2018 16:55 Acrofales wrote:
On May 04 2018 16:54 SoSexy wrote:
I don't wanna work. Simple as that. Everything I like (i.e. creating music) brings 0 income. Any ideas on how to get money?

Sell sexual favors.


Hmm I actually could go to dinners and nights out with super rich old ladies...but it's always the same problem I encounter with other activities: how do you get started?? Also I fear that since I have no abs my value decreeses drastically

Sell family members into slavery?

Also, you're Italian. Just knock on the door of your local Mafia club and tell them you want to sell your body. I'm sure they'll set you up.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-04 13:06:47
May 04 2018 12:55 GMT
#13880
On May 04 2018 16:54 SoSexy wrote:
I don't wanna work. Simple as that. Everything I like (i.e. creating music) brings 0 income. Any ideas on how to get money?
Stop posting on TL and get a job. Or go busking.
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