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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23956 Posts
On June 19 2017 12:28 IgnE wrote: It's pronounced TRay? With the TR? Like a lunch tray | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18291 Posts
On June 19 2017 13:57 IgnE wrote: that doesn't make sense. that person must be pulling your leg. I'm guessing it's some postmodernist bullshit that the parents thought was very clever when the poor kid was born, but was in actual fact just dumb as all hell. Either that, or they're from a culture with a different (or no) written tradition and made mistakes when transliterating into the Roman alphabet. But my money is on the first. Also: ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/496136574510182401/ijQEeSyF.jpeg) | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23956 Posts
On June 19 2017 13:57 IgnE wrote: that doesn't make sense. that person must be pulling your leg. I'm guessing he was of Korean origins (3 time raining champ at what my more racist friends called "guess the Asian", so weight my guess accordingly), still had an accent and spoke semi-broken English. He worked at a pho place. Could have been messing with me, but he seemed genuinely upset when I was skeptical of what he was saying and kept calling him "Q". I think you get what I was going for though. | ||
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Oshuy
Netherlands529 Posts
On June 19 2017 16:32 GreenHorizons wrote: I'm guessing he was of Korean origins (3 time raining champ at what my more racist friends called "guess the Asian", so weight my guess accordingly), still had an accent and spoke semi-broken English. He worked at a pho place. Could have been messing with me, but he seemed genuinely upset when I was skeptical of what he was saying and kept calling him "Q". I think you get what I was going for though. There is a vietnamese first name that would be written Que, pronounced [kwej] ([kwe] in the north), meaning cinnamon. Going from [kwej] to [trei] ... I guess it isn't that far. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10884 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
I am having a really hard time understanding that someone living in USA full of immigrants from places around the world, on a starcraft forum, where you must have some idea that oriental language is different from English, the same way that any language is different from any other language but excerbated, that perhaps you shouldn't be a dick, and call a person what they want to be called, no matter how it is spelt. If he is genuinely upset, then you should apologise and call him by what he wants to be called. That is common sense and doesn't need to be asked. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18291 Posts
On June 19 2017 17:55 Oshuy wrote: There is a vietnamese first name that would be written Que, pronounced [kwej] ([kwe] in the north), meaning cinnamon. Going from [kwej] to [trei] ... I guess it isn't that far. The way I always see Vietnamese names transliterated is as Kwe or Kwon, although I could imagine people using Qu for that sound as well. Using Qu for a Tr sound just seems very strange. I can't think of a single language that uses the Roman alphabet and pronounces Q as Tr. It is pretty universally a K amongst Germanic and Latin languages, and in the Slavic and Turkic languages that use the Roman alphabet, the Q is not used at all (except in the odd foreign word, which uses Q as a K). So if it was a Korean who transliterated his name and used a Qu expecting it to be pronounced Tr, that's a pretty weird transliteration error. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23956 Posts
On June 19 2017 21:47 Dangermousecatdog wrote: It's pretty common for names to be spoken differently to who they would be sounded as written. Even in closely related languages or places of origin you get names which are pronounced in unexpected names. Various Irish, French, German, Spanish names sounds nothing like how they would be sounded phonetically. It's not much of a stretch that cultures ten thousand midles away that which don't have an alphabet, but must instead convert characters into latin alphabet thorough romanization or latinization or whatever, would produce totally different sounds than as spoken phonetically. Like in pinyin j, q,x are totally different from what that sound would make in English. I am having a really hard time understanding that someone living in USA full of immigrants from places around the world, on a starcraft forum, where you must have some idea that oriental language is different from English, the same way that any language is different from any other language but excerbated, that perhaps you shouldn't be a dick, and call a person what they want to be called, no matter how it is spelt. If he is genuinely upset, then you should apologise and call him by what he wants to be called. That is common sense and doesn't need to be asked. To be fair I was referencing the letter his name started with, it just so happened that it's also how the spelling of his name would sound. Like Igne suggested I thought he was just joking at first, but then I noticed he was getting upset, which I thought was also a joke until he started talking Korean (again a guess) angrily with a co worker. FWIW the coworker started laughing and that made him more angry. That's what led to the question in part. Also growing up in school there was usually always at least 1 name on the roll call that a teacher would butcher or just say they aren't going to try and expect the student to know who they are, was wondering if that happened elsewhere and if it was just when different languages/cultures collide or if, for instance, there are Swedish names that are commonly mispronounced by other Swedish people. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
"Airwrecka" is kind of baller | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23956 Posts
On June 20 2017 03:43 IgnE wrote: i'm not a pronunciation prescriptivist because that is dumb, but like acrofales said, i can't think of any reasonable transliteration where the "t" sound could be transliterated within reasonable constraints to a latin "q." "Airwrecka" is kind of baller Right x2 Probably a pain in the ass when talking to CSR's though. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23956 Posts
On June 20 2017 03:54 JimmiC wrote: The real question is how can anyone be offended. Have you not had 1000 people miss pronounce your name? Wouldn't you be like, yeah it's odd but this is how it is pronounced and move on. Well I guess I didn't let it go so I was being a bit dickish, but that's how I grew up and old habits die hard. But he was old enough for his name to be whatever he wanted, so he could have fixed it, or he could have spelled it in a way that made sense on his nametag. I don't really care that much and would call him Trey if I saw him in the future (probably still slip in a Q or two though) But it made me wonder about people who deal with that. Does no one here have a name like that? | ||
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Simberto
Germany11839 Posts
On June 20 2017 03:54 JimmiC wrote: The real question is how can anyone be offended. Have you not had 1000 people miss pronounce your name? Wouldn't you be like, yeah it's odd but this is how it is pronounced and move on. It's probably less offended and more annoyed. Because it is really annoying to have the exact same conversation with literally anyone you meet. I have a (much milder) version of this with older people and the fact that i am a vegetarian. I have no interest in discussing that fact or the reasons thereof with anyone, but a lot of people see that differently. I only tell people when they want to make food for me, because at that point it is relevant information for them. A friend of mine consumes absolutely no alcohol, and has the same problem. You don't see the problem because you have that conversation once with him. Imagine having it 50 times with half the people you meet, and you will realize how annoying it can be. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
1) it's for a stupid bet 2) I can't trust them to bring someone a paper and lock it in their safelock, nor would they trust me if I did the same. However, the thing is just too random and stupid to go together to a bank or some neutral safe place, hence why I am asking here xd | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On June 20 2017 09:21 SoSexy wrote: How do you show you know something on the web? I'll explain better: if I wanted to show a friend I know something before date X, one idea could be writing it on paper, then locking it in a safelock and giving the key to the friend. Then after date X he could open it and see I wasn't lying. But let's say I'd like to do the same thing with members of a facebook group - how do I do that? 1) it's for a stupid bet 2) I can't trust them to bring someone a paper and lock it in their safelock, nor would they trust me if I did the same. However, the thing is just too random and stupid to go together to a bank or some neutral safe place, hence why I am asking here xd Can you just post it anywhere on the web that you don't have mod power over, and that have timestamps? I mean... you could make a post here on TL, and as long as you don't edit it, and as long as you're not a mod, that should be pretty convincing evidence. There are of course ways around it (you could ask mods to change it for you), but you'll find it 100% anyway. Even for the safe, how do they know that you don't have a second key? For facebook, can you have someone neutral create a closed facebook group, invite you to post in it (but not have mod powers to remove your post), and then grant access to your stupid bet friends later? Another neat way would be with encryption. Write it in MSpaint or something, save as JPG or PNG, encrypt the file and give it to your friend. Then when you want them to access it, you give them the key. As you give the information in PNG, it'll be very difficult for you to have different keys unlock different answers. I'm not a pro on these things, but it should be possible to do it with this general approach. Maybe the PNG step isn't even needed with the right encryption. | ||
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Oshuy
Netherlands529 Posts
On June 20 2017 12:09 Cascade wrote: Can you just post it anywhere on the web that you don't have mod power over, and that have timestamps? I mean... you could make a post here on TL, and as long as you don't edit it, and as long as you're not a mod, that should be pretty convincing evidence. There are of course ways around it (you could ask mods to change it for you), but you'll find it 100% anyway. Even for the safe, how do they know that you don't have a second key? For facebook, can you have someone neutral create a closed facebook group, invite you to post in it (but not have mod powers to remove your post), and then grant access to your stupid bet friends later? Another neat way would be with encryption. Write it in MSpaint or something, save as JPG or PNG, encrypt the file and give it to your friend. Then when you want them to access it, you give them the key. As you give the information in PNG, it'll be very difficult for you to have different keys unlock different answers. I'm not a pro on these things, but it should be possible to do it with this general approach. Maybe the PNG step isn't even needed with the right encryption. Another option is signing with a timestamp from a timestamping authority (for example freetsa.org). It's what is usually done for digitally signed contracts, although you might have to explain digital signature to your friend (which is a pain). One other issue in this case (same with the forum one): if the information you pretend to have is an answer to a question with limited possibilities, you could prepare all possible answers and only disclose the correct one at the time of the reveal. (which probably makes encryption the better option) | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
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