• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:42
CEST 08:42
KST 15:42
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202532Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder8EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced43BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0
StarCraft 2
General
The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 2025 Classic: "It's a thick wall to break through to become world champ" Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation Serral wins EWC 2025
Tourneys
TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event Esports World Cup 2025
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced Which top zerg/toss will fail in qualifiers? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ 2025 Season 2 Ladder map pool Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL
Tourneys
[ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL] Non-Korean Championship - Final weekend
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 490 users

Van Gogh self-portrait actually not Van Gogh

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
Qi
Profile Joined June 2011
China31 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 03:32:01
June 22 2011 03:19 GMT
#1
[image loading]


It is a story of great filial love and devotion. All his life, Van Gogh never made any fortune out of his paintings. Yet, he managed to continue making hundreds and hundreds of them. How? His brother Theo supported him, financially and emotionally all throughout his wild life. But it remains one of the little mysteries in art: after a lifetime of undying support, did Van Gogh never pay any tribute to his brother, Theo. Seems like the answer was right in plain view all along.

            Artinfo.com
What did Van Gogh Museum senior researcher Louis van Tilborgh discover while gazing into the eyes of his subject of study? That maybe he wasn’t looking at old Vincent after all. The 1887 painting that Tilborgh was admiring, now on view in the show “Van Gogh in Antwerp and Paris: New Perspectives” at the Amsterdam museum, may not be a self-portrait, as was previously believed. Rather, it may be a likeness of the painter’s brother and loyal ally, Theo.

Van Tilborgh came to this startling conclusion when he noticed that the 1887 portrait, of some Van Gogh wearing a blue jacket and a straw hat against a blue backdrop, depicts a man with shaved cheeks and an ochre (not red) beard. “On top of that,” a press statement declares, “this man’s ear has a fine rounded shell, unlike Vincent’s but like Theo’s.”

If you remain skeptical that the work — which was completed during a period in which Theo and Vincent lived together in Paris — portrays Theo, just heed the advice of the press statement: “Once you start to ask questions, you may sometimes be surprised by the answers. Familiar works of art may appear in a new light: such discoveries help to keep one’s gaze sharp and fresh.”

Such wide-eyed wonder has also recently led the museum to figure out that a Van Gogh painting of laborer’s shoes dates from much later than originally believed and that “The Garden with Lovers,” depicts not the village of Asnières, as was formerly posited, but Montmartre, in Paris. Oh, and they’ve also cleared up that the painting “Wheatfield with a Lark” is actually a picture of a partridge.
Hikko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1126 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 03:24:28
June 22 2011 03:23 GMT
#2
In my opinion, the brothers look so similar that it could be either of them. It definitely does look like van Gogh, even if it really is supposed to be his brother.

van Gogh had photographs taken of him, it's not like some grand mystery of who he really is...I don't think this is much to get excited about, unfortunately

Wikipedia: Self-Portraits of Vincent van Gogh
♥
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 22 2011 03:27 GMT
#3
Why can't it be a picture of both people? Both himself and his brother?
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Tatari
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1179 Posts
June 22 2011 03:30 GMT
#4
On June 22 2011 12:27 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why can't it be a picture of both people? Both himself and his brother?


It's gotta be only one of them.

I mean, if he wanted both himself AND his brother, he could have painted his face and his brother's face on one head, similar to how Voldemort appeared in the first Harry Potter movie :d
A fed jungler is no longer a jungler, but a terrorist.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 22 2011 03:32 GMT
#5
On June 22 2011 12:30 Tatari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 12:27 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why can't it be a picture of both people? Both himself and his brother?


It's gotta be only one of them.

I mean, if he wanted both himself AND his brother, he could have painted his face and his brother's face on one head, similar to how Voldemort appeared in the first Harry Potter movie :d


What I mean is. Why can't the portrait be a mix of both of him and his brother in one person/being.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
June 22 2011 03:33 GMT
#6
It's just preliminary research, they're not sure of anything.
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
LOcDowN
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1015 Posts
June 22 2011 03:35 GMT
#7
Looks like White_Ra to me.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
June 22 2011 03:37 GMT
#8
On June 22 2011 12:35 LOcDowN wrote:
Looks like White_Ra to me.


And you suddenly make me see him in that painting now..I, black magiks is this?!
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Darth Vader
Profile Joined June 2011
United States50 Posts
June 22 2011 03:38 GMT
#9
On June 22 2011 12:23 Hikko wrote:
In my opinion, the brothers look so similar that it could be either of them. It definitely does look like van Gogh, even if it really is supposed to be his brother.

van Gogh had photographs taken of him, it's not like some grand mystery of who he really is...I don't think this is much to get excited about, unfortunately

Wikipedia: Self-Portraits of Vincent van Gogh

Why post here then. If it does not interest you, simply leave. Don't be a dick.
OT: Went to the Artinfo site, nice discussion going on there. Wish I could attend the exhibit and seminar.

here is one of the replies proving that Van Gogh indeed painted in reverse, possibly Theo.
[image loading]
Tatari
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1179 Posts
June 22 2011 03:39 GMT
#10
On June 22 2011 12:32 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 12:30 Tatari wrote:
On June 22 2011 12:27 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why can't it be a picture of both people? Both himself and his brother?


It's gotta be only one of them.

I mean, if he wanted both himself AND his brother, he could have painted his face and his brother's face on one head, similar to how Voldemort appeared in the first Harry Potter movie :d


What I mean is. Why can't the portrait be a mix of both of him and his brother in one person/being.


The portrait could be a mix of them. It's just that one of the brothers' face is hidden behind that hat. :d

I know what you're talking about. But if the brothers are so similar in appearance what's the point in mixing their faces? Unless Van Gogh wanted his audience to guess for all eternity who it was... which could be entirely possible.
A fed jungler is no longer a jungler, but a terrorist.
LOcDowN
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1015 Posts
June 22 2011 03:40 GMT
#11
On June 22 2011 12:37 Parnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 12:35 LOcDowN wrote:
Looks like White_Ra to me.


And you suddenly make me see him in that painting now..I, black magiks is this?!


You're welcome bro T_T
Rybka
Profile Joined March 2010
United States836 Posts
June 22 2011 04:02 GMT
#12
Nice post OP, very interesting
"I like winter, you can put a beer outside of the window and come back later to have it nice and cold. But in Belgium, it'd better be the 3rd floor window." -Rowa
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
June 22 2011 04:07 GMT
#13
On June 22 2011 12:35 LOcDowN wrote:
Looks like White_Ra to me.
Wtf it really is identical. Speshial paintings.
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
June 22 2011 04:10 GMT
#14
Maybe he ran out of red paint?
Hikko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1126 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 04:28:55
June 22 2011 04:20 GMT
#15
On June 22 2011 12:19 Qi wrote:
[image loading]




[image loading]


Coincidence?
♥
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
June 22 2011 04:24 GMT
#16
On June 22 2011 13:20 Hikko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 12:19 Qi wrote:
[image loading]




[image loading]


Coincidence?


So basically, Van Gogh was painting White-ra, presaging the awesomeness that would emerge decades later. I can buy it ;D
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
Sovetsky Soyuz
Profile Joined May 2011
Russian Federation905 Posts
June 22 2011 04:26 GMT
#17
On June 22 2011 13:24 KimJongChill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 13:20 Hikko wrote:
On June 22 2011 12:19 Qi wrote:
[image loading]




[image loading]


Coincidence?


So basically, Van Gogh was painting White-ra, presaging the awesomeness that would emerge decades later. I can buy it ;D

Van Goghstradamus?
LOcDowN
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1015 Posts
June 22 2011 04:28 GMT
#18
On June 22 2011 13:07 VIB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 12:35 LOcDowN wrote:
Looks like White_Ra to me.
Wtf it really is identical. Speshial paintings.


More like speshial tactiks T_T
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 04:31:41
June 22 2011 04:29 GMT
#19
Wow, White-Ra's face really is everywhere...
♥ I used to lasso the shit out of your tournaments =( ♥ | Much is my hero. | zizi yO~ | Be Nice, TL.
Hikko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1126 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 01:14:32
June 22 2011 04:29 GMT
#20
[image loading]

♥
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Korean StarCraft League
03:00
Week 78
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft612
Nina 264
StarCraft: Brood War
Snow 1397
Larva 263
ToSsGirL 187
Rush 177
Sharp 44
Stork 5
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm150
XcaliburYe20
League of Legends
JimRising 773
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King112
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor91
Other Games
summit1g5750
shahzam664
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
Afreeca ASL 2757
Other Games
gamesdonequick820
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 158
lovetv 13
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 81
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt776
• HappyZerGling104
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
3h 18m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
5h 18m
Mihu vs QiaoGege
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs TBD
WardiTV European League
9h 18m
ShoWTimE vs Harstem
Shameless vs MaxPax
HeRoMaRinE vs SKillous
ByuN vs TBD
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 3h
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
1d 7h
Bonyth vs TBD
WardiTV European League
1d 9h
Wardi Open
2 days
OSC
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
FEL Cracow 2025
Underdog Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
HCC Europe
CC Div. A S7
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CAC 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.