EPT[Question]What century are we in? - Page 2
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stinkfist21
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MoltkeWarding
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On December 11 2004 18:47 Carnac wrote: i actually don't agree with moltkewarding "redefining of centuries", for me centuries are just plain classification of well - centuries aka 100 years. so yes, we live in the 21th century. decade = 10 years, century = 100 years, it's as simple as that. moltke's stuff is more of an attempt to define some main chain of events through history, whatsoever ------ asking what happened in 1989 attests of utter ignorance and dumbness though. it's like not knowing when columbus came to america or not knowing the year of america's declaration of independance, or the year of the french revolution, not knowing when the second world war took place, or whatever main historical events EVERYONE should know..... As I said, there is a chronological century. When we speak of centuries in that sense we are speaking of a measure of time. However, when we refer to centuries in the historical sense, what are we referring to? When someone speaks of the 17th century, the thing that first pops into the minds is "Louix XIV." Well, Louis XIV reigned 1643-1715. Do we consider for example Shakespeare as belonging to the 16th or 17th century? (In other words: is he Elizabethan or Stuart?) When historians refer to the centuries in a historical sense, they do not simply refer to the chronological markers, but to certain historical motifs. Of course, these motifs overlap, which is why I said at the beginning: we can only make such distinctions on an partially arbitrary basis. | ||
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
On December 11 2004 18:34 maleorderbride wrote: Basically he thinks its the century marker because the Berlin wall came down. Which he somehow sees as the end of all "effects of the great war" i dont think you read his post at the beginning he clearly states that such distinctions are ethnocentric | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On December 11 2004 18:52 stinkfist21 wrote: This is the 22nd century. Think about it, what century was it in the year 5? The first century. so 1900 to 2000 was the 21st century. you're REALLY mentally challenged, are you not? since you obviously are not even capabale of properly counting till 21. 1-100 = 1st 101-200 = 2nd 201-300 = 3rd 301-400 = 4th 401-500 = 5th 501-600 = 6th 601-700 = 7th 701-800 = 8th 801-900 = 9th 901-1000 = 10th 1001-1100 = 11th 1101-1200 = 12th 1201-1300 = 13th 1301-1400 = 14th 1401-1500 = 15th 1501-1600 = 16th 1601-1700 = 17th 1701-1800 = 18th 1801-1900 = 19th 1901-2000 = 20th 2001-2100 = 21th BUT NOT FUCKING 22th | ||
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Hippopotamus
1914 Posts
 Everything else is absolutely stupid, otherwise the great american system would teach it. | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On December 11 2004 18:52 MoltkeWarding wrote: As I said, there is a chronological century. When we speak of centuries in that sense we are speaking of a measure of time. However, when we refer to centuries in the historical sense, what are we referring to? When someone speaks of the 17th century, the thing that first pops into the minds is "Louix XIV." Well, Louis XIV reigned 1643-1715. Do we consider for example Shakespeare as belonging to the 16th or 17th century? (In other words: is he Elizabethan or Stuart?) When historians refer to the centuries in a historical sense, they do not simply refer to the chronological markers, but to certain historical motifs. Of course, these motifs overlap, which is why I said at the beginning: we can only make such distinctions on an partially arbitrary basis. we can now have wild guesses of what the threadstarter had in mind when he opened this thread (and if he even knew about chronological and "other" centuries). i would most definitely assume that he was asking for the more "simple" answer, which indeed would be that we live in the 21st century and we do so since 2001. you bring up an interesting question though, asking to what we are referring too. hard to say, so this is why i think it's easier to just refer to the chronological meaning of centuries and use some other description for main historical events and timelines, such as the era of industrialisation. | ||
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Locked
United States4182 Posts
On December 11 2004 19:02 Carnac wrote: you're REALLY mentally challenged, are you not? since you obviously are not even capabale of properly counting till 21. 1-100 = 1st 101-200 = 2nd 201-300 = 3rd 301-400 = 4th 401-500 = 5th 501-600 = 6th 601-700 = 7th 701-800 = 8th 801-900 = 9th 901-1000 = 10th 1001-1100 = 11th 1101-1200 = 12th 1201-1300 = 13th 1301-1400 = 14th 1401-1500 = 15th 1501-1600 = 16th 1601-1700 = 17th 1701-1800 = 18th 1801-1900 = 19th 1901-2000 = 20th 2001-2100 = 21th BUT NOT FUCKING 22th completely fucking right ... wow i didn't realize there were so many people that didn't know this >.< the distinctions are not "arbitrary" or "stupid", its because it IS the 21st century after year 0 going by this calendar. | ||
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maleorderbride
United States2916 Posts
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CyuntiyuL
Canada1740 Posts
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HowitZer
United States1610 Posts
On December 11 2004 19:06 Hippopotamus wrote: Why would any American need to know such insignificant things? All that matters is the Revolutionary War, the war of 1812, the Civil War, and WW1, WW2 oh and the Cuban Missle Crisis is saved for 12th grade Everything else is absolutely stupid, otherwise the great american system would teach it.Where do you get off saying this utter bullshit? I doubt you have any basis for making these statements even if they are sarcastic. And also I think it's justified if Americans better know their own history than other countries. | ||
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LetMeBeWithYou
Canada4254 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On December 11 2004 20:00 HowitZer wrote: Where do you get off saying this utter bullshit? I doubt you have any basis for making these statements even if they are sarcastic. And also I think it's justified if Americans better know their own history than other countries. of course they know their own history better than european, chinese or south-african history, as well as i know german and french history better than american history. obvious case and nothing to feel awkward about. i'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic, doesn't make it better though. however i had to notice that many americans might know "their" history pretty well (at least partially), but anything beyond that is dark. on the other hand i think _most_ europeans know -in addition to their "own" history- the u.s./american (and some other) history quite well. don't wanna bash anyone, cuz it's no one's direct responsibility, but maybe part of the u.s. school system (concerning history in this case) is a bit too american centric? at least till the end of highschool? don't really know about college. in _my_opinion_ this is a bit sad, considering european and american history have so much to do with each other, often you cannot even strictly separate it into one of both. so i _think_ it would be good if more (u.s.) americans knew more about such things. i hope i was diplomatic enough with this post ~ | ||
mrmin123
Korea (South)2971 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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gg_hertzz
2152 Posts
On December 11 2004 18:04 SickofLife wrote: That's where you're mistaken, sir. By the way, the years have nothing to do with his death. A.D. is Latin for something (don't know how to spell it, but can say it) meaning the year of our Lord, or something like that. I think it's Anno Domini, but I'm not sure. Yeah, I was right, that's how it's spelt, and what it means. It's funny but people always ask me what day it is. Now, we're having to ask what century it is. time for another education reform it seems. | ||
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LetMeBeWithYou
Canada4254 Posts
On December 11 2004 21:00 Carnac wrote: <3 mrmin wow... I just had a Deja Vu of having a deja vu... | ||
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Pob
880 Posts
On December 11 2004 18:22 MoltkeWarding wrote: England: 1815-1914: Century without wars Boer war? GG | ||
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SpoR.
United States35 Posts
On December 11 2004 18:34 Carnac wrote: WHAT? no offense, i hate ppl that bash the us, but this question could really ONLY come from an american... tearing down of the berlin wall? end of the fucking cold war? what the hell do you learn at school? [edit]this is of course directed to SpoR, not maleorderbride Sorry i was in kindergarten in 1989 and i dont give a fuck about european walls because european walls doent give a fuck about me. | ||
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SpoR.
United States35 Posts
On December 11 2004 18:47 Carnac wrote: um most those things you stated have to do with america directly. Of course i know about those but the berlin wallis almost nothing to an average american.i actually don't agree with moltkewarding "redefining of centuries", for me centuries are just plain classification of well - centuries aka 100 years. so yes, we live in the 21th century. decade = 10 years, century = 100 years, it's as simple as that. moltke's stuff is more of an attempt to define some main chain of events through history, whatsoever ------ asking what happened in 1989 attests of utter ignorance and dumbness though. it's like not knowing when columbus came to america or not knowing the year of america's declaration of independance, or the year of the french revolution, not knowing when the second world war took place, or whatever main historical events EVERYONE should know..... | ||
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ieatkids5
United States4628 Posts
On December 11 2004 21:05 gg_hertzz wrote: It's funny but people always ask me what day it is. Now, we're having to ask what century it is. time for another education reform it seems. I can imagine it in a couple of years, "Hey, could you tell me what millenium it is? Thanks." | ||
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