On August 31 2013 02:21 Dryzt wrote: One of the spokespeople setting up the scenario for the need for intervention in Syria has been outed. Member of the Syrian rebel force Danny Abdul-Dayem has been interviewed by CNN and other mainstream media broadcasts:
RT put out a news feed stating the following: (no news article released yet) "Syria UN envoy says rebels used chemical weapons
Syria’s envoy to the UN Bashar Jaafari on Wednesday accused rebel forces of using chemical weapons to “bring about military intervention and aggression against Syria.” Many facts “tend to prove the innocence of the Syrian government, which has been subject to false accusations,” AFP quoted the ambassador as saying. The West and Turkey “have enabled terrorist groups to create a laboratory for chemical weapons on Turkish territory with materials provided by Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar… and to bring these chemical weapons to Syria for use,” he said."
and really why would Assad's forces give orders to use Chemical weapons when that is supposedly the "trigger" for the US and its coalition of the willing to bomb the country to glass. Its more in line with what these former officials are talking about; a premeditated plan to remove the Assad regime to gain greater control over the area:
So you see nothing wrong with the fact that Russia Today and an outspokenly Shia news agency are the only ones telling that story?
do you really think that US mainstream media is going to tell it? They get their stories handed to them from the fed agencies. The US news is propaganda just like opposing countries news is, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
besides the more interesting video's are the 2 at the bottom where a US, and french gov official state the case that the fall of Syria is a premeditated event, the French official stating that the UK was gathering and training the insurgency that is attacking the Syrian government.
So you think that the rebels launched the chem wep's? I disagree.
Did you know that the weapons were launched from inside Syrian government controlled territory into rebel controlled territory, right? Do you know that it was first bombarded with shells, to blow out the windows, and then shelled with chem weapons to increase the damage, very well done with precision, does that sound like the rebels? How is it that the rebels were able to launch attacks from inside the government controlled areas multiple times? How then were they also able to shell the area for 4 consecutive days (once again the barrage coming from the government controlled region into the rebel region) before the UN inspectors came to do their work? Check out CBC for some facts.
You say US mainstream media is loaded, of course it is. That is common sense. However we are both Canadian, we can watch CBC, Aljazeera, and many other reputable sources for information. I'm disappointed that you have these views as a fellow Canadian.
aljazeera? you realize their headquarters are in qatar right?
can you source 'shelling area for 4 consecutive days'? and i mean the areas where chemical weapons were used. and also what this would achieve?
Yes that is correct, their hq is in qatar. I don't have a source for that, I saw it streaming on cbc yesterday. Logically that would achieve trying to kill witnesses who the un inspectors will talk to, I would assume they want to destroy evidence as well. I thought this was all common knowledge at this point?
qatar is probably involved in this conflict on the rebels side more heavily than the us is...
ok, i'll help you with source. us claims in the fresh of the press assessment report:
At the same time, the regime intensified the artillery barrage targeting many of the neighborhoods where chemical attacks occurred. In the 24 hour period after the attack, we detected indications of artillery and rocket fire at a rate approximately four times higher than the ten preceding days. We continued to see indications of sustained shelling in the neighborhoods up until the morning of August 26.
shelling, but only some of of the neighborhoods. also important to note that this report does not purport to prove that chemical weapons were used or were fired by assad, it's said to be implied and no concrete proof is provided. there's a beefier version prepared for the people who matter, it has to be a lot beefier to come anywhere near the 100% total evidence claims as of late.
eyewitness reports that saudi rebels were storing weapons in tunnels in ghouta, provided by cia golden boy saudi prince bandar. maybe they were released by accident or by proximity shelling. or even planned... in the same article i linked earlier an eyewitness said they looked like straight up gas tanks, what kind of weapon is that!? combine that with the bunny youtube video...
this would also explain why they intercepted communications of lower-level military commanders discussing a chemical attack on the same day, seems like confusion and makes little sense. and interception of some military commander ordering them to cease fire. you'd think if it was a planned attack, SOP would not be to give them a time to start fire, and then wait for some commander to phone in a 'cease fire' (they would have caught the order to start if it was sent).
We intercepted communications involving a senior official intimately familiar with the offensive who confirmed that chemical weapons were used by the regime on August 21 and was concerned with the U.N.inspectors obtaining evidence. On the afternoon of August 21, we have intelligence that Syrian chemical weapons personnel were directed to cease operations.
On August 31 2013 02:21 Dryzt wrote: One of the spokespeople setting up the scenario for the need for intervention in Syria has been outed. Member of the Syrian rebel force Danny Abdul-Dayem has been interviewed by CNN and other mainstream media broadcasts:
RT put out a news feed stating the following: (no news article released yet) "Syria UN envoy says rebels used chemical weapons
Syria’s envoy to the UN Bashar Jaafari on Wednesday accused rebel forces of using chemical weapons to “bring about military intervention and aggression against Syria.” Many facts “tend to prove the innocence of the Syrian government, which has been subject to false accusations,” AFP quoted the ambassador as saying. The West and Turkey “have enabled terrorist groups to create a laboratory for chemical weapons on Turkish territory with materials provided by Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar… and to bring these chemical weapons to Syria for use,” he said."
and really why would Assad's forces give orders to use Chemical weapons when that is supposedly the "trigger" for the US and its coalition of the willing to bomb the country to glass. Its more in line with what these former officials are talking about; a premeditated plan to remove the Assad regime to gain greater control over the area:
So you see nothing wrong with the fact that Russia Today and an outspokenly Shia news agency are the only ones telling that story?
do you really think that US mainstream media is going to tell it? They get their stories handed to them from the fed agencies. The US news is propaganda just like opposing countries news is, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
besides the more interesting video's are the 2 at the bottom where a US, and french gov official state the case that the fall of Syria is a premeditated event, the French official stating that the UK was gathering and training the insurgency that is attacking the Syrian government.
So you think that the rebels launched the chem wep's? I disagree.
Did you know that the weapons were launched from inside Syrian government controlled territory into rebel controlled territory, right? Do you know that it was first bombarded with shells, to blow out the windows, and then shelled with chem weapons to increase the damage, very well done with precision, does that sound like the rebels? How is it that the rebels were able to launch attacks from inside the government controlled areas multiple times? How then were they also able to shell the area for 4 consecutive days (once again the barrage coming from the government controlled region into the rebel region) before the UN inspectors came to do their work? Check out CBC for some facts.
You say US mainstream media is loaded, of course it is. That is common sense. However we are both Canadian, we can watch CBC, Aljazeera, and many other reputable sources for information. I'm disappointed that you have these views as a fellow Canadian.
aljazeera? you realize their headquarters are in qatar right?
can you source 'shelling area for 4 consecutive days'? and i mean the areas where chemical weapons were used. and also what this would achieve?
Yes that is correct, their hq is in qatar. I don't have a source for that, I saw it streaming on cbc yesterday. Logically that would achieve trying to kill witnesses who the un inspectors will talk to, I would assume they want to destroy evidence as well. I thought this was all common knowledge at this point?
qatar is probably involved in this conflict on the rebels side more heavily than the us is...
ok, i'll help you with source. us claims in the fresh of the press assessment report:
At the same time, the regime intensified the artillery barrage targeting many of the neighborhoods where chemical attacks occurred. In the 24 hour period after the attack, we detected indications of artillery and rocket fire at a rate approximately four times higher than the ten preceding days. We continued to see indications of sustained shelling in the neighborhoods up until the morning of August 26.
shelling, but only some of of the neighborhoods. also important to note that this report does not purport to prove that chemical weapons were used or were fired by assad, it's said to be implied and no concrete proof is provided. there's a beefier version prepared for the people who matter, it has to be a lot beefier to come anywhere near the 100% total evidence claims as of late.
eyewitness reports that saudi rebels were storing weapons in tunnels in ghouta, provided by cia golden boy saudi prince bandar. maybe they were released by accident or by proximity shelling. or even planned... in the same article i linked earlier an eyewitness said they looked like straight up gas tanks, what kind of weapon is that!? combine that with the bunny youtube video...
this would also explain why they intercepted communications of lower-level military commanders discussing a chemical attack on the same day, seems like confusion and makes little sense. and interception of some military commander ordering them to cease fire. you'd think if it was a planned attack, SOP would not be to give them a time to start fire, and then wait for some commander to phone in a 'cease fire' (they would have caught the order to start if it was sent).
We intercepted communications involving a senior official intimately familiar with the offensive who confirmed that chemical weapons were used by the regime on August 21 and was concerned with the U.N.inspectors obtaining evidence. On the afternoon of August 21, we have intelligence that Syrian chemical weapons personnel were directed to cease operations.
"US assessment of Syrian chemical attack Unclassified report from US government outlines conclusions about alleged chemical weapons attack in Damascus suburbs."
The United States Government assesses with high confidence that the Syrian government carried out a chemical weapons attack in the Damascus suburbs on August 21, 2013. We further assessthat the regime used a nerve agent in the attack. These all-source assessments are based onhuman, signals, and geospatial intelligence as well as a significant body of open sourcereporting.
Our classified assessments have been shared with the U.S. Congress and keyinternational partners. To protect sources and methods, we cannot publicly release all availableintelligence – but what follows is an unclassified summary of the U.S. Intelligence Community’sanalysis of what took place.
On August 31 2013 02:21 Dryzt wrote: One of the spokespeople setting up the scenario for the need for intervention in Syria has been outed. Member of the Syrian rebel force Danny Abdul-Dayem has been interviewed by CNN and other mainstream media broadcasts:
RT put out a news feed stating the following: (no news article released yet) "Syria UN envoy says rebels used chemical weapons
Syria’s envoy to the UN Bashar Jaafari on Wednesday accused rebel forces of using chemical weapons to “bring about military intervention and aggression against Syria.” Many facts “tend to prove the innocence of the Syrian government, which has been subject to false accusations,” AFP quoted the ambassador as saying. The West and Turkey “have enabled terrorist groups to create a laboratory for chemical weapons on Turkish territory with materials provided by Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar… and to bring these chemical weapons to Syria for use,” he said."
and really why would Assad's forces give orders to use Chemical weapons when that is supposedly the "trigger" for the US and its coalition of the willing to bomb the country to glass. Its more in line with what these former officials are talking about; a premeditated plan to remove the Assad regime to gain greater control over the area:
So you see nothing wrong with the fact that Russia Today and an outspokenly Shia news agency are the only ones telling that story?
do you really think that US mainstream media is going to tell it? They get their stories handed to them from the fed agencies. The US news is propaganda just like opposing countries news is, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
besides the more interesting video's are the 2 at the bottom where a US, and french gov official state the case that the fall of Syria is a premeditated event, the French official stating that the UK was gathering and training the insurgency that is attacking the Syrian government.
So you think that the rebels launched the chem wep's? I disagree.
Did you know that the weapons were launched from inside Syrian government controlled territory into rebel controlled territory, right? Do you know that it was first bombarded with shells, to blow out the windows, and then shelled with chem weapons to increase the damage, very well done with precision, does that sound like the rebels? How is it that the rebels were able to launch attacks from inside the government controlled areas multiple times? How then were they also able to shell the area for 4 consecutive days (once again the barrage coming from the government controlled region into the rebel region) before the UN inspectors came to do their work? Check out CBC for some facts.
You say US mainstream media is loaded, of course it is. That is common sense. However we are both Canadian, we can watch CBC, Aljazeera, and many other reputable sources for information. I'm disappointed that you have these views as a fellow Canadian.
aljazeera? you realize their headquarters are in qatar right?
can you source 'shelling area for 4 consecutive days'? and i mean the areas where chemical weapons were used. and also what this would achieve?
Yes that is correct, their hq is in qatar. I don't have a source for that, I saw it streaming on cbc yesterday. Logically that would achieve trying to kill witnesses who the un inspectors will talk to, I would assume they want to destroy evidence as well. I thought this was all common knowledge at this point?
qatar is probably involved in this conflict on the rebels side more heavily than the us is...
ok, i'll help you with source. us claims in the fresh of the press assessment report:
At the same time, the regime intensified the artillery barrage targeting many of the neighborhoods where chemical attacks occurred. In the 24 hour period after the attack, we detected indications of artillery and rocket fire at a rate approximately four times higher than the ten preceding days. We continued to see indications of sustained shelling in the neighborhoods up until the morning of August 26.
shelling, but only some of of the neighborhoods. also important to note that this report does not purport to prove that chemical weapons were used or were fired by assad, it's said to be implied and no concrete proof is provided. there's a beefier version prepared for the people who matter, it has to be a lot beefier to come anywhere near the 100% total evidence claims as of late.
eyewitness reports that saudi rebels were storing weapons in tunnels in ghouta, provided by cia golden boy saudi prince bandar. maybe they were released by accident or by proximity shelling. or even planned... in the same article i linked earlier an eyewitness said they looked like straight up gas tanks, what kind of weapon is that!? combine that with the bunny youtube video...
this would also explain why they intercepted communications of lower-level military commanders discussing a chemical attack on the same day, seems like confusion and makes little sense. and interception of some military commander ordering them to cease fire. you'd think if it was a planned attack, SOP would not be to give them a time to start fire, and then wait for some commander to phone in a 'cease fire' (they would have caught the order to start if it was sent).
We intercepted communications involving a senior official intimately familiar with the offensive who confirmed that chemical weapons were used by the regime on August 21 and was concerned with the U.N.inspectors obtaining evidence. On the afternoon of August 21, we have intelligence that Syrian chemical weapons personnel were directed to cease operations.
"US assessment of Syrian chemical attack Unclassified report from US government outlines conclusions about alleged chemical weapons attack in Damascus suburbs."
The United States Government assesses with high confidence that the Syrian government carried out a chemical weapons attack in the Damascus suburbs on August 21, 2013. We further assessthat the regime used a nerve agent in the attack. These all-source assessments are based onhuman, signals, and geospatial intelligence as well as a significant body of open sourcereporting.
Our classified assessments have been shared with the U.S. Congress and keyinternational partners. To protect sources and methods, we cannot publicly release all availableintelligence – but what follows is an unclassified summary of the U.S. Intelligence Community’sanalysis of what took place.
4 Pages if you want to read. Enjoy.
I read it. It was 4 pages of them saying they had evidence, saying they had intelligence, saying they had photos.
I didn't see any evidence, only words saying they had evidence.
i have already linked to the USG report, and have read it a couple of times over. i also quoted it in the post you are quoting. it seems in fact that i have already rebutted your response to that post from within the quote.
So basically the favoring theory right now is that Rebels were stockpiling chemical weapons near the Damascus front, said battle that has been going on for days results in a planned offensive and prepares by, obvious strategy, bombardment. One lucky shell hits the stockpile. Game over. SAA soldiers on the front line realizing what is happening don gas makes while making frantic calls to Command & Control.
On August 31 2013 07:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So basically the favoring theory right now is that Rebels were stockpiling chemical weapons near the Damascus front, said battle that has been going on for days results in a planned offensive and prepares by, obvious strategy, bombardment. One lucky shell hits the stockpile. Game over. SAA soldiers on the front line realizing what is happening don gas makes while making frantic calls to Command & Control.
that is almost what i am receiving on the radio antennas protruding from my tinfoil hat yes, the twist it that it was planned and is a false flag op. the previously linked article with eyewitnesses from ghouta "corroborates" and "implies" this, i have more proof locked in my refrigerator that i will show to a chosen few.
Sometimes in cases like these I wish the UN would just revoke the supremacy of Syria, occupy the country and force real democracy down the throat of these cave-men before they murder more innocent people, both Assad and the despicable opposition should rot in jail.
It's awesome, so now we invade Saudi Arabia right? Since the red line was crossed, I'll just defer to the usual cheerleaders. How does one invade a country already owned?
On August 31 2013 07:45 ImperialFist wrote: Sometimes in cases like these I wish the UN would just revoke the supremacy of Syria, occupy the country and force real democracy down the throat of these cave-men before they murder more innocent people, both Assad and the despicable opposition should rot in jail.
On August 31 2013 07:45 ImperialFist wrote: Sometimes in cases like these I wish the UN would just revoke the supremacy of Syria, occupy the country and force real democracy down the throat of these cave-men before they murder more innocent people, both Assad and the despicable opposition should rot in jail.
On August 31 2013 07:45 ImperialFist wrote: Sometimes in cases like these I wish the UN would just revoke the supremacy of Syria, occupy the country and force real democracy down the throat of these cave-men before they murder more innocent people, both Assad and the despicable opposition should rot in jail.
I wouldn't be too surprised if this will pretty much be what happens..
On August 31 2013 07:45 ImperialFist wrote: Sometimes in cases like these I wish the UN would just revoke the supremacy of Syria, occupy the country and force real democracy down the throat of these cave-men before they murder more innocent people, both Assad and the despicable opposition should rot in jail.
I'm sure every neighbor country (or similarly minded) would be very happy about that :p
General Mohammed Aslan, he was the person in charge of the cw in the Syrian Republican Guard, and has been reportedly executed by the Syrian regime. I guess that it is not necessary to say what that could mean...
General Mohammed Aslan, he was the person in charge of the cw in the Syrian Republican Guard, and has been reportedly executed by the Syrian regime. I guess that it is not necessary to say what that could mean...
Wish it was possible to tell if he's a scapegoat or actually rogue.
On August 31 2013 07:52 BioNova wrote: It's awesome, so now we invade Saudi Arabia right? Since the red line was crossed, I'll just defer to the usual cheerleaders. How does one invade a country already owned?
Pretty sure Iran is next on the agenda after Syria, they've been wanting to invade Iran for years.
Sometimes in cases like these I wish the UN would just revoke the supremacy of Syria, occupy the country and force real democracy down the throat of these cave-men before they murder more innocent people, both Assad and the despicable opposition should rot in jail.
So remind me how many innocent people the USA murdered in Iraq war? What about the 400,000 killed or maimed by chemical weapon Agent Orange in Vietnam war?
On August 31 2013 06:39 dUTtrOACh wrote: Somehow, it doesn't surprise me that the rebels are now trying to procure their own chems. A couple of those groups are crazier than Assad. Shit's just starting to hit the fan over there, imo.
If they have chemicals now, it's likely they had access to chemicals at the time of the attack, which makes the argument that only Assad's forces have the capability to use chemical weapons less valid.
edit: I didn't notice the source till now, I'm sceptical until other sources also start reporting this news too.
On August 31 2013 07:45 ImperialFist wrote: Sometimes in cases like these I wish the UN would just revoke the supremacy of Syria, occupy the country and force real democracy down the throat of these cave-men before they murder more innocent people, both Assad and the despicable opposition should rot in jail.
That worked out really well in Iraq...
People's inability to even consider history, especcially very recent history, when it comes to world conflicts is just so depressing.
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