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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
Kukaracha
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France1954 Posts
March 06 2013 16:03 GMT
#641
On March 06 2013 22:28 mdb wrote:
I hope no one supplies the rebels with weapons.

They already have weapons, though not officially.
Le long pour l'un pour l'autre est court (le mot-à-mot du mot "amour").
Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
March 06 2013 16:04 GMT
#642
On March 07 2013 00:40 TNK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 22:28 mdb wrote:
I hope no one supplies the rebels with weapons.

I am just waiting to see how the rebels will use those weapons after the civil war. Most likely not for good.

Who cares about who has the weapons, as long as the people who own the factories that make the weapons get money.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-06 18:31:51
March 06 2013 18:30 GMT
#643
Sigh..

Syrian rebels seize U.N. peacekeepers near Golan Heights

(Reuters) - Syrian rebels have seized a convoy of U.N. peacekeepers near the Golan Heights and say they will hold them captive until President Bashar al-Assad's forces pull back from a rebel-held village which has seen heavy recent fighting.

+ Show Spoiler +
The capture was announced in rebel videos posted on the Internet and confirmed on Wednesday by the United Nations in New York, which said about 20 peacekeepers had been detained.

The seizure, the most direct threat to U.N. personnel in the nearly two-year-old uprising against Assad, came on the day that Britain said it would increase aid to the opposition forces and the Arab League gave a green light to member states to arm the rebels.

The regional Arab body also invited the opposition Syrian coalition to take Syria's seat at a League meeting in Doha later this month. Syria was suspended in November 2011 in response to its crackdown on protests which since spiraled into civil war.

The peacekeepers of the UNDOF mission have been monitoring a ceasefire line between Syria and the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights, captured by the Jewish state in a 1967 war, for nearly four decades.

Israel has warned that it will not "stand idle" as Syria's civil war spills over into the Golan region.

The United Nations in New York said its peacekeepers had been detained by around 30 fighters in the Golan Heights.

"The U.N. observers were on a regular supply mission and were stopped near Observation Post 58, which had sustained damage and was evacuated this past weekend following heavy combat in close proximity at Al Jamla," it said, referring to a village which saw fierce confrontations on Sunday.

It did not say the nationality of the observers but the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights monitoring group which is in contact with the rebel brigade said they were Filipino.

In one rebel video, a young man saying he was from the "Martyrs of Yarmouk" brigade stood surrounded by several rebel fighters with assault rifles in front of a two white armored vehicles and a truck with "UN" markings.

"The command of the Martyrs of Yarmouk...is holding forces of the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force until the withdrawal of forces of the regime of Bashar al-Assad from the outskirts of the village of Jamla," the man, who was wearing civilian clothes, said.

At least five people could be seen sitting in the vehicles wearing U.N. light blue helmets and bullet-proof vests.

"If no withdrawal is made within 24 hours we will treat them as prisoners," he said, accusing them of collaborating with Assad's forces to push the rebels out of Jamla.

Nearly two years since the uprising started, rebels are distrustful of a United Nations that they say has failed to support their cause.

ONE MILLION REFUGEES

Earlier on Wednesday the United Nations said the number of refugees who have fled Syria had reached 1 million, part of an accelerating exodus from a conflict which is approaching its second anniversary with no prospect of an end to the bloodshed.

British Foreign Secretary William Hague, pledging support for Assad's opponents, said the civil war had reached catastrophic proportions and that international efforts to stem the violence had been an abject failure.

Senior U.S. and Russian diplomats will discuss the conflict at a meeting in London on Thursday, Russia said, the latest in a series of meetings aimed at seeking an end to the bloodshed.

But Hague said the chances of getting an immediate political solution to the crisis were slim and that diplomacy was taking too long. However, he played down the prospect of direct Western military intervention.

"If a political solution to the crisis in Syria is not found and the conflict continues, we and the rest of the European Union will have to be ready to move further, and we should not rule out any option for saving lives," he said, though he added that no Western government advocated military intervention.

At a registration centre for Syrians in the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli, a 19-year-old mother of two registered on Wednesday as the millionth refugee to flee her country.

"The situation is very bad for us. We can't find work," said the teenage mother, wearing a green headscarf and holding her daughter as she spoke to reporters.

"I live with 20 people in one room. We can't find any other house as it is too expensive. We want to return to Syria. We wish for the crisis to be resolved."

Syrians started trickling out of the country 23 months ago when Assad's forces shot at pro-democracy protests inspired by Arab revolts elsewhere.

The uprising has since turned into an increasingly sectarian struggle between armed rebels and government soldiers and militias. An estimated 70,000 people have been killed.

Around half the refugees are children, most of them aged under 11, and the numbers leaving are mounting every week, the United Nations refugee agency said in statement.

"With a million people in flight, millions more displaced internally, and thousands of people continuing to cross the border every day, Syria is spiraling towards full-scale disaster," U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees António Guterres said in a statement.


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"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 06 2013 23:21 GMT
#644
The Arab League has offered the Syrian National Coalition, an opposition umbrella group backed by the West and Arab nations, Syria's seat at the league, and has decided to let its member nations arm the rebels fighting President Bashar al-Assad.

Nabil Elaraby, the league's secretary-general, told a news conference on Wednesday that League ministers meeting in Cairo had invited the SNC to choose a representative to attend the league summit in the Qatari capital, Doha, on March 26 and 27.

The umbrella group would retain Syria's seat in the 22-member organisation "until elections leading to the formation of a government to assume the responsibilities of power in Syria," the League said.

Iraq and Algeria expressed reservations, while Lebanon declined to be associated with the resolution, Elaraby told the news conference.

A statement issued by the 22-member bloc said that Arab states were free to offer military support to rebels fighting the forces of Bashar al-Assad if they wished.

Qatar has blamed Assad for nearly two years of bloodshed in Syria.

"The person who brought a sea of blood is Bashar because he did not commit to the Arab decisions and did not cooperate with us," Qatari Prime Minister Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim bin Jabr al-Thani told the meeting.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Abraxas514
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada475 Posts
March 07 2013 02:32 GMT
#645
On March 07 2013 03:30 Grettin wrote:
Sigh..

Show nested quote +
Syrian rebels seize U.N. peacekeepers near Golan Heights

(Reuters) - Syrian rebels have seized a convoy of U.N. peacekeepers near the Golan Heights and say they will hold them captive until President Bashar al-Assad's forces pull back from a rebel-held village which has seen heavy recent fighting.

+ Show Spoiler +
The capture was announced in rebel videos posted on the Internet and confirmed on Wednesday by the United Nations in New York, which said about 20 peacekeepers had been detained.

The seizure, the most direct threat to U.N. personnel in the nearly two-year-old uprising against Assad, came on the day that Britain said it would increase aid to the opposition forces and the Arab League gave a green light to member states to arm the rebels.

The regional Arab body also invited the opposition Syrian coalition to take Syria's seat at a League meeting in Doha later this month. Syria was suspended in November 2011 in response to its crackdown on protests which since spiraled into civil war.

The peacekeepers of the UNDOF mission have been monitoring a ceasefire line between Syria and the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights, captured by the Jewish state in a 1967 war, for nearly four decades.

Israel has warned that it will not "stand idle" as Syria's civil war spills over into the Golan region.

The United Nations in New York said its peacekeepers had been detained by around 30 fighters in the Golan Heights.

"The U.N. observers were on a regular supply mission and were stopped near Observation Post 58, which had sustained damage and was evacuated this past weekend following heavy combat in close proximity at Al Jamla," it said, referring to a village which saw fierce confrontations on Sunday.

It did not say the nationality of the observers but the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights monitoring group which is in contact with the rebel brigade said they were Filipino.

In one rebel video, a young man saying he was from the "Martyrs of Yarmouk" brigade stood surrounded by several rebel fighters with assault rifles in front of a two white armored vehicles and a truck with "UN" markings.

"The command of the Martyrs of Yarmouk...is holding forces of the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force until the withdrawal of forces of the regime of Bashar al-Assad from the outskirts of the village of Jamla," the man, who was wearing civilian clothes, said.

At least five people could be seen sitting in the vehicles wearing U.N. light blue helmets and bullet-proof vests.

"If no withdrawal is made within 24 hours we will treat them as prisoners," he said, accusing them of collaborating with Assad's forces to push the rebels out of Jamla.

Nearly two years since the uprising started, rebels are distrustful of a United Nations that they say has failed to support their cause.

ONE MILLION REFUGEES

Earlier on Wednesday the United Nations said the number of refugees who have fled Syria had reached 1 million, part of an accelerating exodus from a conflict which is approaching its second anniversary with no prospect of an end to the bloodshed.

British Foreign Secretary William Hague, pledging support for Assad's opponents, said the civil war had reached catastrophic proportions and that international efforts to stem the violence had been an abject failure.

Senior U.S. and Russian diplomats will discuss the conflict at a meeting in London on Thursday, Russia said, the latest in a series of meetings aimed at seeking an end to the bloodshed.

But Hague said the chances of getting an immediate political solution to the crisis were slim and that diplomacy was taking too long. However, he played down the prospect of direct Western military intervention.

"If a political solution to the crisis in Syria is not found and the conflict continues, we and the rest of the European Union will have to be ready to move further, and we should not rule out any option for saving lives," he said, though he added that no Western government advocated military intervention.

At a registration centre for Syrians in the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli, a 19-year-old mother of two registered on Wednesday as the millionth refugee to flee her country.

"The situation is very bad for us. We can't find work," said the teenage mother, wearing a green headscarf and holding her daughter as she spoke to reporters.

"I live with 20 people in one room. We can't find any other house as it is too expensive. We want to return to Syria. We wish for the crisis to be resolved."

Syrians started trickling out of the country 23 months ago when Assad's forces shot at pro-democracy protests inspired by Arab revolts elsewhere.

The uprising has since turned into an increasingly sectarian struggle between armed rebels and government soldiers and militias. An estimated 70,000 people have been killed.

Around half the refugees are children, most of them aged under 11, and the numbers leaving are mounting every week, the United Nations refugee agency said in statement.

"With a million people in flight, millions more displaced internally, and thousands of people continuing to cross the border every day, Syria is spiraling towards full-scale disaster," U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees António Guterres said in a statement.


Source


Looks like it's up to Israel to save the day.
Fear is the mind killer
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 07 2013 02:45 GMT
#646
Britain is to supply armoured vehicles and body armour to Syrian opposition forces as it steps up efforts to end a humanitarian crisis of "catastrophic proportions", William Hague has said.

The Foreign Secretary said he had ordered "more active efforts" after securing a relaxation of an EU arms embargo to allow the provision of non-lethal military equipment to protect civilians.

Testing equipment to provide evidence of any use of chemical weapons by the regime and training for armed groups in international human rights and legal standards is also being sent.

He said £3 million had been allocated this month for the work in Syria with another £10 million to follow - urging other countries to do the same.

"The Cabinet is in no doubt that this is a necessary, proportionate and lawful response to a situation of extreme humanitarian suffering, and that there is no practicable alternative," he said.

"All our assistance will be carefully calibrated and monitored as well as legal, and will be aimed at saving life, alleviating this human catastrophe and supporting moderate groups."

It came as the number of refugees fleeing the country reached what he called the "sad milestone" of one million refugees.

The UK is also taking advantage of the embargo relaxation to provide assistance, advice and training to the Syrian National Coalition.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 07 2013 02:48 GMT
#647
I wish they had a handy easy-to-read map of each side's current holdings on Wikipedia, just like they had with the Mali Uprising.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 07 2013 23:04 GMT
#648
Syria's opposition umbrella group, the Syrian National Coalition, will meet in the Turkish city of Istanbul next week to elect a provisional prime minister to run a political transition if President Bashar al-Assad falls, coalition members said.

The opposition wants to create a provisional government to administer rebel-held areas in Syria and to show it can fill a power vacuum left by collapsing state institutions, putting structures in place to curb chaos in a post-Assad era.

The Istanbul meeting - to be held on March 12 and 13 - was called after former Prime Minister Riad Hijab, the highest-ranking civilian defector from Assad's government, withdrew his candidacy, several coalition members said on Thursday.

Hijab had run into opposition from Islamists and liberals in the coalition for his past ties with Syria's ruling hierarchy.

"The field of candidates has been expanding since Hijab withdrew," said one coalition member who asked not to be named.

The opposition had planned to meet on March 2, but postponed the talks partly because of Hijab's withdrawal, he said.

Hijab said in a statement he had informed the coalition's president, Moaz Al Khatib, that he would not join the provisional government after talks in Cairo last month, but gave no reason.

Coalition sources said the Syrian National Council, a large Muslim Brotherhood-influenced bloc within the 71-member coalition, had chosen three candidates for prime minister.

They are Salem al-Muslet, a tribal figure from northeastern Syria who worked at think-tanks in the Gulf; Osama al-Qadi, a US-educated economist who heads an opposition taskforce drawing up plans for post-conflict economic recovery; and veteran opposition campaigner Burhan Ghalioun, a professor from Homs and previous president of the Syrian National Council.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 14 2013 21:42 GMT
#649
French President Francois Hollande has called on Europe's leaders to lift an arms embargo on Syria to help groups fighting the regime of President Bashar al-Assad.

Arriving on Thursday for a two-day summit with European Union leaders, Hollande said: "We want Europeans to lift the arms embargo."

"Britain and France agree on this option," he said.

London and Paris had earlier announced they were seeking to lift the EU embargo to enable them to deliver weapons to Syrian rebels.

The statement angered Damascus but drew a guarded welcome from the opposition.

Opposition activists called on the two governments to provide heavy weaponry not just small arms to tilt the balance in the two-year uprising against President Bashar al-Assad's rule.

Assad's government, like its key foreign ally Russia, said any such arms shipments would be a "flagrant violation" of international law.

Laurent Fabius, the French foreign minister, told France Info radio that Britain and France will ask "the Europeans now to lift the embargo so that the resistance fighters have the possibility of defending themselves".

Fabius said Assad's government was receiving weapons from Iran and Russia which gave it an edge over the opposition.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Pika Chu
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Romania2510 Posts
March 15 2013 14:39 GMT
#650
France is playing an ugly card here. It's starting to lose patience and show cards, show this isn't about the bloodshed, it isn't about the people of syria dying everyday, it's just about geopolitics - they need rebels to win this fight.

Once this is done, others can show cards and simply transform this into a proxy war, not just continuing the bloodshed but greatly increasing it.
They first ignore you. After they laugh at you. Next they will fight you. In the end you will win.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
March 16 2013 22:47 GMT
#651
More generals fleeing.

One of the highest-ranking military officers yet to abandon Syrian President Bashar Assad defected to neighboring Jordan and said in an interview aired Saturday that morale among those still inside the regime had collapsed.

In another setback for the Assad regime, a leading human rights group accused Syria's government of stepping up its use of widely banned cluster munitions, which often kill and wound civilians.

The twin blows illustrated the slowly spreading cracks appearing in Assad's regime as well as its deepening international isolation. While few analysts expect the civil war between Assad's forces and rebels seeking his ouster to end soon, most say it appears impossible for the 4-decade-old regime to continue to rule Syria.

Maj. Gen. Mohammed Ezz al-Din Khalouf announced his defection from Assad's regime in a video aired Saturday on the Al-Arabiya satellite channel. It showed him sitting next to his son, Capt. Ezz al-Din Khalouf, who defected with him.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57574730/high-ranking-syrian-general-defects-from-army/
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 17 2013 00:25 GMT
#652
Syrian rebels have taken control of areas close to Damascus, where intense fighting has effectively shut down the country's main international airport to anything but military flights.

Al Jazeera's Ahmed Zaidan, reporting from inside the Syrian capital, said anti-government Free Syrian Army (FSA) fighters extended their hold over the eastern half of Ghouta on Saturday, as heavy fighting raged in several areas in and around Damascus.

Ghouta is an agricultural belt surrounding Damascus to the south and east.

"The airport in Damascus has been effectively paralysed [for civilian flights] since two to three months. Most Syrian officials who want to travel have been forced to fly from Beirut," our correspondent said.

"Most of air traffic in Damascus comes from military flights. The only civilian flights landing there are doing so at high risk because the fighting there is very close.

"Senior FSA officials have told us that Iranian planes land in Damascus every two to three days, allegedly to bring arms and ammunition for the forces of President Bashar al-Assad."


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 19 2013 04:00 GMT
#653
ISTANBUL — Syria's opposition coalition early Tuesday elected a little-known American-educated IT manager and Islamic activist to head an interim government to administer the areas seized by rebel forces from the forces of President Bashar Assad.

Ghassan Hitto received 35 votes out of 48 ballots cast by the opposition Syrian National Coalition's 63 active members during a meeting in Istanbul. The results were read aloud by coalition member Hisham Marwa to applause from a few dozen of his colleagues who had waited until after 1 a.m. to hear the results.

"I miss my wife and children and I look forward to seeing them soon," said Hitto, who has lived in the United States for decades and recently moved from Texas to Turkey to help coordinate aid to rebel-held areas.

When asked what his interim government's first priority would be, Hitto said he planned to give a speech later Tuesday outlining his plans.

Coalition members hope the new government will unite the rebels fighting Assad's forces on the ground and provide services to Syrians living in rebel-held areas, many of which have been battered by the country's civil war and suffer acute shortages of food, electricity and medical services.

But the new government faces huge challenges, starting with its ability to gain recognition from rebel factions on the ground.

As rebels have progressed in northern and eastern Syria, a patchwork of rebel groups and local councils have sought to fill the void left by the government's withdrawal by organizing security patrols, reopening bakeries and running courts and prisons. It is unclear if these groups, many of which have taken charge of their own towns, will accept an outside authority, especially if it is headed by someone who has spent decades abroad.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
March 19 2013 04:31 GMT
#654
How many rebel groups are we talking about here?
I carve marble busts of assassinated world leaders - PM for a quote
TNK
Profile Joined November 2011
United States163 Posts
March 19 2013 05:07 GMT
#655
Why am I not surprised they elected a Islamist as the leader of the rebel controlled territory?
Yes my name is ironic.
ZwuckeL
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany563 Posts
March 19 2013 06:07 GMT
#656
I don't get how western countries don't see that 99% of the rebels are terrorists that hate us (the west) as much as they hate Assad? When they come to rule that place the west can bank on getting terrorized in a whole new and harder way.
phANT1m
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
South Africa535 Posts
March 19 2013 14:39 GMT
#657
@aveng3r as far as I know the opposition is made up of mainly 2 groups. The FSA - the original people fighting and composed mainly of defecting generals and military personal but also has tons of civilians that joined the fight and a uncertain amount of foreigners, the second is al-nusrah rumoured to be around 10000 and growing. They compose mostly of foreigners and their is rumoured links to al-qaeda. They have soldiers/personnel on every battle front and have been a key part of taking certain SAA held fronts.

Recently Hezbollah has been sending people to help the government out, not sure about the number of operatives though.

That is from what I have gathered across different forms of media.
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-19 17:34:59
March 19 2013 17:30 GMT
#658
15 die as Syrian rebels fire rockets containing chemical substances in Aleppo province, Syria's state news agency says - @Reuters

Syrian information minister says rebels fired chemical weapon, calls it a dangerous escalation, state TV reports - @Reuters

Syrian rebels deny firing chemical weapon in Aleppo; accuse Assad's forces of launching scud missile with chemical agents - @Reuters

Update: 26 killed in Aleppo attack, including 16 soldiers, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights - @Reuters

Update: Syrian rebels say Assad's forces carried out chemical weapon attack near Aleppo using long-range missile - @Reuters

Turkish official says Syrian accusation of Turkish responsibility for possible chemical weapons attack is baseless - @Reuters

Britain says use or proliferation of chemical weapons in Syria would require 'serious response' from international community - @Reuters


Chemical weapons watchdog says it has no independent confirmation of any use of chemical weapons in Syria - @Reuters

Russian foreign ministry says Syrian rebels used chemical arms near Aleppo - @Reuters



More: Russian Foreign Ministry says Syrian rebels have used chemical weapons near Aleppo, killing 16 - @AP


Update: US official says there is no evidence Syrian rebels or Assad's regime used chemical weapons - @AP


White House: Carefully looking at allegations of the use of chemical weapons in Syrian - @Reuters

White House: President Obama has warned of consequences if chemical weapon are used in Syria - @Reuters

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/syria-uprising
Yes im
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
March 19 2013 17:35 GMT
#659
WASHINGTON (AP) — The top U.S. military commander in Europe said Tuesday that NATO is conducting contingency planning for possible military involvement in Syria and American forces would be prepared if called upon by the United Nations and member countries.

The Syrian civil war marked an ignominious two-year milestone this week with no sign that President Bashar Assad is close to giving up power. Adm. James Stavridis, commander of U.S. European Command, told a Senate panel that the United States is "looking at a variety of operations."


http://bigstory.ap.org/article/casey-rubio-offer-bill-aid-syrian-opposition
Yes im
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-19 22:58:20
March 19 2013 22:57 GMT
#660
Honestly let Turkey, France, Britain, and Qatar handle Syria. The US should stay out of it.
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