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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
HeartOfTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Niue585 Posts
September 01 2013 09:43 GMT
#2081
Since a lot of you seem to like seeing things from an economic perspective I guess you'd be interested in this:
"I do not join. I lead." - Queen of Blades
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
September 01 2013 09:47 GMT
#2082
Did UN present their report about what happened with Sarin gas incident?
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-01 10:55:18
September 01 2013 10:50 GMT
#2083
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/britain-sold-nerve-gas-chemicals-2242520

a very well timed leak that will surely make MPs feel responsible for the deaths and force us into action

i don't doubt that it may be true but i'd take with a very heavy pinch of a salt

"The fuck. Potassium fluoride has plenty of non-chemical warfare uses, such as the production of refrigerants. As does sodium fluoride, which is in fucking toothpaste for Christ's sake. This is like saying "Britain Accused of Sending Nitrogen to Syria. Nitrogen Later Turned Into Ammonium Nitrate, Which Then Turned To Bombs, Which Then Got Used on Civilians."

top post on reddit by someone called shockedsystem

i'm not too knowledgeable on the whole thing so not sure wether what he said is legit
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-01 11:13:15
September 01 2013 11:10 GMT
#2084
On September 01 2013 18:43 sekritzzz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 10:25 Shake n Blake wrote:
On September 01 2013 09:05 sekritzzz wrote:
Without a doubt congress is going to reject it and that's exactly what Obama wants. Obama got stuck hard in between a rock and a hard place when te uk rejected intervention. He needs the political support especially because people at home don't want to intervene. To think Obama cares about the congress or how it's supposed to keep him in check is absurd.

Why didn't he call congress in from the start? Why after the British rejected intervention.
Secondly why didn't he call them in for libya if it was really about principles.

As much as I disliked bush at least he wasn't a conniving 2-faced faced snake. Obama is seriously one of the worst US presidents.


Then what happens if Obama backs off from any kind of military strike and this emboldens Assad/rebels (whomever is responsible for chemical attack although I personally suspect the latter), to use chemical weapons again on Syrian populace (or worse, Israel), knowing that Obama is too afraid to stop them?

Kind of how the afghan population used to be freedom fighters but today they are all terrorists because their invader changed. /politics

Posts like this make me cringe so bad. The main organizations fighting against the Afghan government & NATO forces in Afghanistan today are the Taliban, the Haqqani network and Al-Qaeda. The Taliban were created in 1994, years after Soviet forces left the country (1989) and the Soviet-supported government fell (1992) - and in fact, they fought against many of the mujahideen warlords who were during Soviet occupation called freedom fighters and who regrouped under the label "Northern Alliance" after being pushed back towards the Northern territories by the Taliban. The Haqqani network did fight the Soviets, but were mostly funded by Pakistan's ISI (way more than by the CIA). Al-Qaeda were never funded by the US and was never hailed by the west as a group of "freedom fighters". The organization appeared towards the end of Soviet occupation and its members were mostly foreign rather than Afghan.

So, to sum up, try to get familiar with the facts before you offer sweeping generalizations followed by a smug "/politics" as if you had any idea of what you were talking about.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10131 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-01 11:14:12
September 01 2013 11:13 GMT
#2085
Kwizach, the Taliban movement traces its origin to the Pakistani-trained mujahideen in northern Pakistan, during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. Yes, they were freedom fighters at one point, and funded by the US and Arabia Saudi.
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
September 01 2013 11:38 GMT
#2086
On September 01 2013 19:50 Denzil wrote:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/britain-sold-nerve-gas-chemicals-2242520

a very well timed leak that will surely make MPs feel responsible for the deaths and force us into action

i don't doubt that it may be true but i'd take with a very heavy pinch of a salt

"The fuck. Potassium fluoride has plenty of non-chemical warfare uses, such as the production of refrigerants. As does sodium fluoride, which is in fucking toothpaste for Christ's sake. This is like saying "Britain Accused of Sending Nitrogen to Syria. Nitrogen Later Turned Into Ammonium Nitrate, Which Then Turned To Bombs, Which Then Got Used on Civilians."

top post on reddit by someone called shockedsystem

i'm not too knowledgeable on the whole thing so not sure wether what he said is legit

Dam, that's really annoying.
As you rightly say it's pretty much meaningless but the public won't see it that way, and I think it has the potential to really destabilise our Government even further.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
September 01 2013 11:47 GMT
#2087
On September 01 2013 20:38 Klive5ive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 19:50 Denzil wrote:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/britain-sold-nerve-gas-chemicals-2242520

a very well timed leak that will surely make MPs feel responsible for the deaths and force us into action

i don't doubt that it may be true but i'd take with a very heavy pinch of a salt

"The fuck. Potassium fluoride has plenty of non-chemical warfare uses, such as the production of refrigerants. As does sodium fluoride, which is in fucking toothpaste for Christ's sake. This is like saying "Britain Accused of Sending Nitrogen to Syria. Nitrogen Later Turned Into Ammonium Nitrate, Which Then Turned To Bombs, Which Then Got Used on Civilians."

top post on reddit by someone called shockedsystem

i'm not too knowledgeable on the whole thing so not sure wether what he said is legit

Dam, that's really annoying.
As you rightly say it's pretty much meaningless but the public won't see it that way, and I think it has the potential to really destabilise our Government even further.


especially since for the first time in a fucking long time the MPs actually applied common sense to a matter

i'm not too fussed over the destabilising of our government and the shit that everyones flung at each other i think it's the first time i've ever really seen them so fired up over politics
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-01 12:10:30
September 01 2013 11:52 GMT
#2088
On September 01 2013 20:13 Godwrath wrote:
Kwizach, the Taliban movement traces its origin to the Pakistani-trained mujahideen in northern Pakistan, during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. Yes, they were freedom fighters at one point, and funded by the US and Arabia Saudi.

The Taliban were not mujahideen. The Taliban were created in 1994 notably because of anger towards some of the mujahideen and their exactions & violence against each other and the population. That Mullah Omar fought during the Soviet occupation doesn't change the fact that he recruited among the people who were precisely weary of the former "freedom fighters" warlords. Some of his commanders obviously had previous conflict experience (many others did not and were actually teachers in Islamic schools), but that doesn't make the Taliban as a group former "freedom fighters". You just copy/pasted the first sentence of a wikipedia article which is extremely vague on the origins of the Taliban, and the "funded by the US and Arabia Saudi" appeared later and did not refer to the Taliban in that article but to the mujahideen that fought against the Soviet Union.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Rosie
Profile Joined July 2013
Russian Federation16 Posts
September 01 2013 11:53 GMT
#2089
Americans can not come up with new excuses to start their their military expansion. they still use prepositions 20-30 years old. discussion is pointless, unnecessarily is just watching as the world Zionism enslave another country on the way to Moscow. I hope Obama will think again and everything will be resolved peacefully
vk.com/lalqua
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10131 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-01 12:34:01
September 01 2013 12:30 GMT
#2090
On September 01 2013 20:52 kwizach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 20:13 Godwrath wrote:
Kwizach, the Taliban movement traces its origin to the Pakistani-trained mujahideen in northern Pakistan, during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. Yes, they were freedom fighters at one point, and funded by the US and Arabia Saudi.

The Taliban were not mujahideen. The Taliban were created in 1994 notably because of anger towards some of the mujahideen and their exactions & violence against each other and the population. That Mullah Omar fought during the Soviet occupation doesn't change the fact that he recruited among the people who were precisely weary of the former "freedom fighters" warlords. Some of his commanders obviously had previous conflict experience (many others did not and were actually teachers in Islamic schools), but that doesn't make the Taliban as a group former "freedom fighters". You just copy/pasted the first sentence of a wikipedia article which is extremely vague on the origins of the Taliban, and the "funded by the US and Arabia Saudi" appeared later and did not refer to the Taliban in that article but to the mujahideen that fought against the Soviet Union.

Yep, why would i rewrite something that is already on perfect english ?

Another copy paste refering to your point on them not being mujahideen, since afghanistan post afghanistan soviet war was mostly warlords fighting each other until the Taliban was formed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen) :

Afghanistan
However, the mujahideen did not establish a united government, and many of the larger mujahideen groups began to fight each other over power in Kabul. After several years of devastating fighting, a village mullah named Mohammed Omar organized a new armed movement with the backing of Pakistan. This movement became known as the Taliban ("students" in Pashto), referring to the Saudi-backed religious schools known for producing extremism. Veteran mujahideen were confronted by this radical splinter group in 1996.


You can argue they are not Mujahideen, but you can't argue the movement origin traces back to the Mujahideen.
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-01 12:41:01
September 01 2013 12:37 GMT
#2091
On September 01 2013 21:30 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 20:52 kwizach wrote:
On September 01 2013 20:13 Godwrath wrote:
Kwizach, the Taliban movement traces its origin to the Pakistani-trained mujahideen in northern Pakistan, during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. Yes, they were freedom fighters at one point, and funded by the US and Arabia Saudi.

The Taliban were not mujahideen. The Taliban were created in 1994 notably because of anger towards some of the mujahideen and their exactions & violence against each other and the population. That Mullah Omar fought during the Soviet occupation doesn't change the fact that he recruited among the people who were precisely weary of the former "freedom fighters" warlords. Some of his commanders obviously had previous conflict experience (many others did not and were actually teachers in Islamic schools), but that doesn't make the Taliban as a group former "freedom fighters". You just copy/pasted the first sentence of a wikipedia article which is extremely vague on the origins of the Taliban, and the "funded by the US and Arabia Saudi" appeared later and did not refer to the Taliban in that article but to the mujahideen that fought against the Soviet Union.

Yep, why would i rewrite something that is already on perfect english ?

Another copy paste refering to your point on them not being mujahideen, since afghanistan post afghanistan soviet war was mostly warlords fighting each other until the Taliban was formed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen) :

Show nested quote +
Afghanistan
However, the mujahideen did not establish a united government, and many of the larger mujahideen groups began to fight each other over power in Kabul. After several years of devastating fighting, a village mullah named Mohammed Omar organized a new armed movement with the backing of Pakistan. This movement became known as the Taliban ("students" in Pashto), referring to the Saudi-backed religious schools known for producing extremism. Veteran mujahideen were confronted by this radical splinter group in 1996.


You can argue they are not Mujahideen, but you can't argue the movement origin traces back to the Mujahideen.

Uh, my point was indeed that the Taliban was not a mujahideen group that had fought against Soviet occupation, and you just provided a quote that confirms exactly what I've been saying, namely that (I quote myself) "The Taliban were created in 1994 notably because of anger towards some of the mujahideen and their exactions & violence against each other and the population". So I'm not sure what you're trying to say other than you're agreeing with me

edit: also, that quote got the dates wrong since the mujahideen were confronted by the Taliban before 1996 - 1996 is when they took Kabul.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10131 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-01 12:44:59
September 01 2013 12:44 GMT
#2092
What I gathered from your first post implied that the Taliban suddenly appeared on 1994 and had nothing to do with the Mujahideen who were backed up by the US in the soviet afghan war. Maybe i missread you.
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-01 12:54:46
September 01 2013 12:52 GMT
#2093
On September 01 2013 21:44 Godwrath wrote:
What I gathered from your first post implied that the Taliban suddenly appeared on 1994 and had nothing to do with the Mujahideen who were backed up by the US in the soviet afghan war. Maybe i missread you.

Maybe you misread it, but I mentioned in my first post that they "fought against many of the mujahideen warlords who were during Soviet occupation called freedom fighters".
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Joedaddy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1948 Posts
September 01 2013 13:12 GMT
#2094
On September 01 2013 20:53 Rosie wrote:
Americans can not come up with new excuses to start their their military expansion. they still use prepositions 20-30 years old. discussion is pointless, unnecessarily is just watching as the world Zionism enslave another country on the way to Moscow. I hope Obama will think again and everything will be resolved peacefully


that is some hardcore conspiracy theory stuff lol. is that what they teach yall in school in mother russia?
I might be the minority on TL, but TL is the minority everywhere else.
Rosie
Profile Joined July 2013
Russian Federation16 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-01 13:36:33
September 01 2013 13:36 GMT
#2095
On September 01 2013 22:12 Joedaddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 20:53 Rosie wrote:
Americans can not come up with new excuses to start their their military expansion. they still use prepositions 20-30 years old. discussion is pointless, unnecessarily is just watching as the world Zionism enslave another country on the way to Moscow. I hope Obama will think again and everything will be resolved peacefully


that is some hardcore conspiracy theory stuff lol. is that what they teach yall in school in mother russia?

As Americans you uncomfortable to hear this, but you can make up your own, independent opinion just by looking at the problem from both sides. you have a right to assume that it Freemasonry fiction. this is the most comfortable position
vk.com/lalqua
plgElwood
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany518 Posts
September 01 2013 13:41 GMT
#2096
Obama just said : " Our Government/Senat is on holiday, hope you are not get killed by assad, mr syrian-democrat, i hope you breathe sarin-gas mr syrian-islamist, we are not functionung until 9/9/13, k thx bai"
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
September 01 2013 13:48 GMT
#2097
On September 01 2013 22:36 Rosie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 22:12 Joedaddy wrote:
On September 01 2013 20:53 Rosie wrote:
Americans can not come up with new excuses to start their their military expansion. they still use prepositions 20-30 years old. discussion is pointless, unnecessarily is just watching as the world Zionism enslave another country on the way to Moscow. I hope Obama will think again and everything will be resolved peacefully


that is some hardcore conspiracy theory stuff lol. is that what they teach yall in school in mother russia?

As Americans you uncomfortable to hear this, but you can make up your own, independent opinion just by looking at the problem from both sides. you have a right to assume that it Freemasonry fiction. this is the most comfortable position


On the way to Moscow ? Excuse me, are you believing the world thinks moscow is the ultimate target ? What for ? It's not Cold War anymore, and Russia is hardly a "target" for anyone. Sure they are more relevant than France for example who still thinks highly of itself, but... not *that* much. Yeah, take a look at both sides :-D

For example the side of these people killed by their government. 1400dead, 400children. I'm sure those children were wannabe-terrorists.
I trust the expertise of my coworkers who, while we are not important anymore, take pride in themselves, and would not have given false results on the expertise of chemicals a few months ago, just to please the US and zionism.
I do not trust the russian government waving their arms "it's impoooooosssssibeul than the syrian gov used gas ! It's a trap !", since I feel them more inclined to just help their protégé and contradict the rest of the world meanwhile.
NoiR
Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
September 01 2013 13:56 GMT
#2098
What a failure.
Saying they go attack and then backing of at the last minute because england doesnt join.
What they gonna do now, wait till england changed their mind?
stuneedsfood
Profile Joined May 2013
45 Posts
September 01 2013 14:34 GMT
#2099
On September 01 2013 22:41 plgElwood wrote:
Obama just said : " Our Government/Senat is on holiday, hope you are not get killed by assad, mr syrian-democrat, i hope you breathe sarin-gas mr syrian-islamist, we are not functionung until 9/9/13, k thx bai"


You should speak to you German Govt officials before you accuse Obama. Your country has always supported a hardline stance to chemical weapons, but now, when the chips are down, Germany has completely backed down on taking any action.

Talk the talk, but don't walk the walk.
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
September 01 2013 14:35 GMT
#2100
On September 01 2013 22:48 Nouar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 22:36 Rosie wrote:
On September 01 2013 22:12 Joedaddy wrote:
On September 01 2013 20:53 Rosie wrote:
Americans can not come up with new excuses to start their their military expansion. they still use prepositions 20-30 years old. discussion is pointless, unnecessarily is just watching as the world Zionism enslave another country on the way to Moscow. I hope Obama will think again and everything will be resolved peacefully


that is some hardcore conspiracy theory stuff lol. is that what they teach yall in school in mother russia?

As Americans you uncomfortable to hear this, but you can make up your own, independent opinion just by looking at the problem from both sides. you have a right to assume that it Freemasonry fiction. this is the most comfortable position


On the way to Moscow ? Excuse me, are you believing the world thinks moscow is the ultimate target ? What for ? It's not Cold War anymore, and Russia is hardly a "target" for anyone. Sure they are more relevant than France for example who still thinks highly of itself, but... not *that* much. Yeah, take a look at both sides :-D

For example the side of these people killed by their government. 1400dead, 400children. I'm sure those children were wannabe-terrorists.
I trust the expertise of my coworkers who, while we are not important anymore, take pride in themselves, and would not have given false results on the expertise of chemicals a few months ago, just to please the US and zionism.
I do not trust the russian government waving their arms "it's impoooooosssssibeul than the syrian gov used gas ! It's a trap !", since I feel them more inclined to just help their protégé and contradict the rest of the world meanwhile.


un has not given a report on the latest incident yet. it is based on the arm-waivings of american, israeli and probably some other equally nefarious "intelligence agencies" as well at this point in time.

latest update i read was that it would take approximately 2 weeks before it was done, even though the head of the investigation said it needed 4 weeks. it has now not only been tried marginalized through us officials statements, but it's actual quality has now also been compromised by them and other warmongers.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
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